FunFlying From Finland, joined Jul 2001, 186 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5195 times:
Finnair is adding a 6th MD-11 aircraft to its fleet as of spring 2004. The new aircraft will be OH-LGE's sistership (which is the newest addition to Finnair's long haul fleet). As of the summer timetable flights to Beijing from Helsinki will become daily, also more flights to Japan and Shanghai are planned.
FunFlying From Finland, joined Jul 2001, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4926 times:
The MD-11s will stay in the fleet for a few more years simply because the leasing contracts are very favourable for the airline at the moment (I think) and the fact that the MD-11 suits Finnair's needs extremely well in terms of passenger/cargo capacity. There are already some speculations about the following a/c type, I suppose the final decision will be made in 1-2 years time.
Billy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4814 times:
AY will keep their M-11s until 2008. They want to revamp J class but this might be uneconomic as it takes 2 years to pilot a Lie-flat seat. AY also has the issue of replacing the M-11. The feeling is that the 777 is the right aircraft but the airline has gone for an airbus fleet. AY makes a lot of money on air freight and the A330 line does not give them the lift that they would get from either a 777 or MD-11.
EA777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4390 times:
Varig are adding MD-11s. They were supposed to be replacing them with B777, but due to the economic situation in Brazil they are taking out more MD-11s. They are due to aquire 'at least 3' MD-11s from Swiss (who are replacing theirs with A340s), this is because they returned 3 of their MD-11s to GECAS, who are converting them to frieghters for Lufthansa Cargo.
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4274 times:
It is indeed good news to hear Finnair & Varig adding more PASSENGER MD-11s. This aircraft has taken a bum rap for far too long, IMO. Besides that, why should Finnair & Varig be in a hurry to replace it with 777s & 340s? If the MD-11 can still fly from point A to point B, carrying paxs & cargo just as well and still earn money for the airlines in question...more power to them! Long live the MD-11! Regards.
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
Navion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3862 times:
Actually, the first reason for diminished MD11 sales (as stated earlier on this forum) is the initial range shortfall against what McDD promised. This was successfully addressed in phases and the MD11 did meet it's initial promises a few years later. By that time however, the second reason for the end of MD11 production was the introduction of later aircraft such as the A340 which gave a "family" advantage over the McDD product and the 777 which is just flat out superior to anything else in it's class (hence it's higher price).
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3840 times:
Finnair's choice makes a lot of sense......Finnair was a long-time DC10 user and was one of the first (or the first?) airline to put the MD11 into service and seems pleased with the type; so why not acquire additional MD11s to expand service? I am sure that they got a great financial deal on their 5th and now 6th MD11s, which were previously operated by Citybird and are among the newest passenger MD11s around. The Citybird MD11s were built on a white-tail basis (ie, no customer order) towards the end of the MD11 production run and, over the years, have probably spent more time on the ground in storage than in service!
Of course, at some point, Finnair will get around to ordering a replacement for the type...as mentioned above, the rumor is that Finnair thinks that the 777 would be the right choice but they may go with Airbus due to their A32X narrow-body fleet....either "advanced" 343s or 346s - we shall see. But what is the rush, the MD11s have a lot of flying years left and are well-suited for Finnair's intercontinental route system.
VRG772 From Brazil, joined Oct 2003, 124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3723 times:
Glad to see another airline adding MD-11 to its fleet. These birds cannot be forgotten... Of course I wish Varig could replace its whole fleet, but as already said, due to the economic situation it isn't possible. So is good to see another airline adding MD-11s and I hope to see it flying for a long time.
BTW, MD-11 in Finnair's livery looks great...
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17322 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3096 times:
Is there an Aruban leasing company that owns this aircraft? Why was it registered P4-BDL? There are a bunch of private aircraft and VIP aircraft with a P4- registration....is this like registering your cruise ship in Liberia or is there a leasing company in the Netherland Antilles?
Maiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 25, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2886 times:
Classic Hollywood for ya...
They showed a FedEx A300 on the ground. It looked like he was going to board the A300. In the crash scene, that is an MD-11. There are winglets on the wings (not like the A300's smaller ones), and a tail mounted engine. Now, its still kind of hard to tell if you dont know your aircraft real well (am I refering to you? ) So, to make it easier for anyone who cannot identify the aircraft type, if you own the DVD, insert Disk 2 into your standard DVD player, goto the Special effects Vignettes (ugghh, is Vignettes french?!)
Go down to the Plane crash.. and watch it.. That is an MD-11.