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NWA/KLM Increase AMS-MSP & IAH?  
User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031201/0502000503_2.html

It doesn't say anything about what they are going to do on the AMS-IAH route. What will service be like on this route this summer?

[Edited 2003-12-01 15:50:37]

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User currently offlineEham From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

Amsterdam to Houston will be performed 9 times a week
* daily B744
* twice a week an additional B763 (Wednesdays and Sundays)

[Edited 2003-12-01 15:57:51]

User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

From the release, they will be increasing IAH to nine weekly flights, with second flights on Friday and Sunday with 767-300ERs. The schedule has not been released so times are not available, but I'd be interested to see when they time this flight as not to interfere with Continentals 764 flight later in the day. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 5ish IAH arrival.

Either way, this means AMS-IAH has gone from seven weekly 74M to 16 weekly 763/764/74M in a matter of two years or so. Not too shabby.

I am hedging my bets on Air France adding additional frequencies in 2004. BA is already up to 17 weekly 777s.

Brian



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User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

AMS-MSP directly 1 daily extra with a MD11.


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User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

OK, so IAH still has the Continental daily from IAH to AMS, along with KLM's daily 747. Then KLM is going to add a 767 on Friday and Sunday.

Do I have this right?


User currently offlineKillerbabe From Netherlands, joined Aug 2003, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Do not forget that CO operates a daily flight between IAH and AMS with a 762 and sometimes the 772.These flight are also code-shared

User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2485 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

Atcboy73
Spot on!!

PW100



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

I guess this is proof that the KL/NW and KL/CO code-share network is working better and better. MSP-AMS has been a very successful route, with major hubs at both origination and destination of the flights, and I guess that IAH-AMS is really taking off if extra capacity is needed. KL did just fine on the IAH-AMS route even before the link up with CO, and, now, with code-sharing, this route is linking CO's major hub with the KL network. CO has jumped around on the IAH-AMS route, introducing it with the 762, then quickly going to the 764 and then the 772 depending upon season (I think that CO swaps aircraft on one IAH-HNL flight and IAH-AMS depending upon season). I am surprised, however, that KL will use the 763 for the 2 extra weekly IAH-AMS flights, I guess that was all that was available due to scheduling.

CO is also upgrading its EWR-AMS flight to 772 equipment.

Its nice to hear good news and more service (for a change!).


User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Do not forget that CO operates a daily flight between IAH and AMS with a 762 and sometimes the 772.These flight are also code-shared

Incorrect. None of the CO flights to AMS are codeshared. Neither KLM nor NWA put their flightnumber on any CO operated flight.


User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

LJ said:
"Incorrect. None of the CO flights to AMS are codeshared. Neither KLM nor NWA put their flightnumber on any CO operated flight."

While the CO IAH-AMS flights are not code-shared, the second part of your statement is irrevocably false. From the NW timetable's first page:

NW6553 ACA-IAH
NW6146 BQN-EWR-CLE
NW6179 ABQ-IAH

There are hundreds more examples of this in the NW timetable, found at http://www.nwa.com/travel/timetable/effective_102603.pdf. Again, NW puts its flight numbers on a large number of CO flights. This would be the definition of code sharing.


Always happy to enlighten,

N-Dub



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User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

NWAman you're 100% correct (and how foolish of me to forget these flights). I should have said that this applies to any transatlantic flight (unless I missed something).



User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5518 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Whew! That just made my day! It'll be awesome to see KLM back at MSP! I've never took photos of KLM, I bet it'll be great! I've seen the 747-400, and -200(or was it -300) here a few times a long way back, and now it'll be great to see the MD-11, yet alone have MD-11 service to MSP!

co


User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

I remember when KLM first started service to MSP back in 1993 with their MD-11. I was really hurt to see those big blue planes leave back in 2001. I'll certainly make it out there now to catch them flying in again.

MSP service will be from March 27th to October 29th.

pilottim747
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User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Slightly off topic but I just saw the initial slot requests and the second IAH flight isn't listed (but the MSP is). However the flights are already loaded. The MSP flight should become KL667/8 and the extra IAH flight KL663/4

Schedule KL 663/4
Dep AMS at 14:30 arr IAH at 17:20
Dep IAH at 20:05 arr AMS at 12:50

Schedule KL667/8
Dep AMS at 14:05 arr MSP at 15:55
Dep MSP at 17:55 arr AMS at 09:20

(schedules subject to change)

BTW SFO will get the 777 (in addition to the MD-11) and there is a small possibility KLM will return to ATL with a MD-11.


User currently offlineHisham From Lebanon, joined Aug 1999, 701 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Pardon me if this is off-topic. Any reason why NW charges more ($900) for a DEN-DTW-AMS than a DEN-DTW-LGW ($650) for next summer?

Thanks.

Hisham.

[Edited 2003-12-03 21:07:30]

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Very interesting. I assume that the oil business is a significant reason for KL's success into IAH. With success like this, I wouldn't be shocked to see a more extensive codeshare/partnership deal between KL and CO. That is A LOT of seats between those two cities.

Do not forget that CO operates a daily flight between IAH and AMS with a 762 and sometimes the 772.These flight are also code-shared

IAH-AMS is exclusively operated with 764 equipment.

Being the DFW homer that I am, I would love to see the connection numbers between DFW-AMS on NW/CO/KL flights. Although DFW does not have the oil presence that IAH does, the oil companies in Dallas are still relatively significant. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if DFW did recieve a service to AMS by KLM (763, M11?) at some point in time, especially after the new international terminal is completed. With the new codeshares between DL/CO/NW, it may only enhance the possibility.



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User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Pardon me if this is off-topic. Any reason why NW charges more ($900) for a DEN-DTW-AMS than a DEN-DTW-LGW ($650) for next summer?

AMS-DTW-AMS is always very busy and next summer the capacity on the route is also lower thus it's just normal economics (high demand less capacity).


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7597 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

With KLM picking up an additional frequency on MSP-AMS, this likely means KLM will not be returning to DTW this summer, NW will operate all DTW-AMS service

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