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What Are The Pluses And Minuses Of WN Buying AQ  
User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

It has been discussed, or rumored, of a buyout or merger between WN and AQ. So what is your opinion of the positives and negatives of such a move, IF it were to ever happen.

WW for the LBGGUY

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User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

I am not sure it would be wise because Hawaii is more of a vacation destination then a place where business travelers go, from my point of view. Also, it seems that business travel is the main reason why airlines expand in most areas, so I am not sure that Southwest would really be interested in Hawaii right now. Although I could be wrong. Plus, it seems that when airlines buy each other out, that only spells trouble for the airline that does the buying because of all the debt they take on.

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

On the plus side, both airlines operate 737's which means pilot and maintenance training would not be much of an issue. On the negative you have two different corporate cultures along with then inevitable animosity between the employees. My opinion, bad idea.

User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

look at all the stuff happening to Air Canada since the Canadi>n merger eh...


CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

Also don't forget Aloha Airlines is a full service airline, especially on there longer routes. So if Southwest bought them, they would have to decide if they should kept those flights at full service.


God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5566 times:

There are no pluses.
WN does not need AQ.


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

WN would be going against it's own business philosophy by buying AQ. I'm sure that Herb Kelleher will not approve of this move, even if he is retired.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

Absolutely no reason for it. If they really wanted to fly to Hawaii they would have by now, and do not need to buy out another airline to do so.


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User currently offlineSWAFA30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

Interesting topic. This rumor has been rattling around the "office" at work for months now.

On the surface there are several pluses and minuses to the deal. From some standpoints it could be an easy transition from others it could turn into a complete nightmare. Their current destinations in the lower 48(BUR, LAS, OAK, SNA, PHX, RNO, SMF) are a perfect match to SWA simply because we already serve these cities making it easy to feed traffic from the rest of the system to Hawaii. They are a relatively small carrier which could make assimilating their fleet into SWA's easier. Assuming SWA decided to do away with AQ's first class service, it would not be an enourmous undertaking to retrofit AQ's 10 -700s to the SWA livery and interior layout. A quick solution would be to simply slap SWA paint on them and leave the interior unchanged until we could get the interior overhauls done. SWA has done this in the past when aircraft were purchased from other carriers such as West Pac and BWIA. I don't know what SWA would do with AQ's -200 fleet. Perhaps some of the older -300s in the current SWA system could be moved to Hawaii for interisland routes as the AQ -200s are retired and -700s come on line for operation stateside. SWA does have a year or two of experience operating short haul, high frequency routes.

It is my understanding that when SWA purchased Morris Air, the Morris pilot group came along with the deal and grounds ops and inflight personnel had to re-interview and be hired by SWA if they wished to keep their position. Perhaps someone more familiar with that acquisition could shed some light. In any case that might be a way to handle absorbing the AQ employee group. According to Aloha's website they employed, 3,459 employees as of 7/31/03. That is well under 10% of SWA's current workforce. Much of SWA ground ops is overstaffed and could easily step in if SWA elected not to "retain" any AQ staff. How about the 1,900 res agents who were told last month to either move or hit the bricks? I don't think it would take much arm twisting to fill ground ops position in Hawaii with internal transfers.


Why Hawaii? If you ask people what their main complaint is about SWA's frequent flier program they will almost always say...."Southwest does not go anywhere I would want to use my free ticket to visit!" You add a real vacation destination to the route system and suddenly SWA has a little more to offer the road warrior. If SWA stuck to their policy of allowing award ticket holders to fly anywhere in the system, regardless of where they earned their "miles" they just might strike frequent flier gold. Imagine you can earn a free ticket by making 8 round trips from Dallas to Houston buying your tickets online for under 100 bucks round trip. If you are a frequent business traveler and you manage to rack up 4 or 5 award tickets per year...before you know it....you've got free tickets for the whole family to Hawaii. Not too shabby. The only catch is......how do you make money on the Hawaii routes if the planes are full of freebie tickets? Or do you limit the number of RapidReward seats on each HNL flight and risk angering your valuable frequent fliers??

Another plus to the AQ acquisition would be access to Canada since AQ serves Vancouver. Not really sure what would happen with AQ's Central/South Pacific Destinations. Any thoughts?

Now of course all of this is moot if you take WN management at their word. When questioned about this topic senior management have been quoted as saying..."After Morris Air, SWA is out of the airline buying business....when you buy another carrier, you are buying all of their problems as well." But the same management team has also never been one to pass up a bargain when one comes along. If AQ went on the market, the price was right and they thought they could make the logistics work, I think they just might give it a go. Perhaps the PHL announcement is proof that SWA management is thinking a bit outside of the Canyon Blue box.


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

SWAFA30,

You make some very good points. However would it be worth spending the the millions to buy Aloha just to add it as a vacation destination? If Southwest wanted to do that, why not just start flights to Hawaii with there own airplanes?

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineSWAFA30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5327 times:

You make some very good points. However would it be worth spending the the millions to buy Aloha just to add it as a vacation destination? If Southwest wanted to do that, why not just start flights to Hawaii with there own airplanes?

In my opinion, an AQ acquisition would only happen if Hawaii were already on the proverbial "list" of cities that would eventually receive Southwest service. The benefit of acquiring AQ vs. simply establishing the routes on our is own is that in essence AQ has done much of the work for WN. They have already secured and established the routes and infrastructure up to and including everything from gate space to ground equipment. Also with AQ, WN would instantly get over water equipped aircraft and the pilots and flight attendants who are trained to fly/work them. Getting WN's current fleet and crews up to speed for overwater flights could take months if not years. AQ's fleet size is so small in comparison to SWA (24 vs. 400+/-), WN would essentially be purchasing Hawaiian routes with a few airplanes thrown in as parting gifts. Again, for any of this to even enter the realm of possibility, Hawaii would have to have been on the radar anyway and this would simply be seen as an "easy" way to get there. If that were the case, WN might just dip into the $2 Billion till if the expenditure were viewed as an investment in the future of the company as opposed to just a vanity purchase. Of course, I still think it is next to impossible but I guess we will just have to wait and see.


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

SWAFA30,

Once again you make some very good points. I guess we will just have to waite and see.



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

Before you bash Hawaii as a market, keep in mind that the single largest O&D market (calculated airport-airport, and it's not even close) in the United States is Honolulu-Maui...


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User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Well since I started this thread I might as well give my opinion.

I think that HNL is on LUV's radar, how far down the list I am not sure. But LUV is begining to get equipment for overwater flights. They have already recieved liferafts. The winglets allow for about 115 more nautical miles. They are in talks with Boeing for engine ratings increase, for better performance, again allow for longer flights. (someone in MX please verify as I have only heard this and do not have first hand knowledge)

Another thing is the Philly suprise. If they go there they may go anywhere at this point. J6 is also looking at service to HNL.

If LUV does buy AQ it would be a stock deal and NOT cash. The -500 fleet could be moved to serve intra-island flights. Better yet if LUV is looking at the Embreaer what better place to put them than in the islands. With the purchase you are right...everything is in place for the service.

And the only other thing I can think of at the moment is that they have several former LUV employees in high positions, such as scheduling planning and marketing.

The only problem I think LUV has is what to do with FREE tickets. (rapid rewards). My idea on that is it takes 32 oneways for a HNL ticket, no capacity controls.

WW again for LGBGUY


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

I just can't see it. I know WN is tweaking its ops a bit, trying to stay ahead of the curve -- look at PHL and the winglet issue, but I think HNL just wouldn't bring in the money to make it justifiable.

First, WN is successful because of its appeal to the business traveler. Hardly anyone goes to HNL on business. Strike one against WN's format.

Second, WN has a simple and easy FF system. If it served HNL, it would either be offering a TON of free tickets to HNL or make an exception for HNL flights. Either one would be harmful, in my opinion. There is absolutely no way they could fly to HNL under the current FF system. Everyone and their dog who makes 4 round-trips booked online would be gobbling up seats to HNL. Without capacity controls, I bet at least half, if not more, of the seats on HNL flights would be free tickets. On the other hand, they would probably upset some customers if they increased the requirements solely for HNL flights. That's the biggest advantage of Rapid Rewards, in my opinion -- I can fly anywhere for the same number of points, no capacity controls. I don' think it would be advantageous to make that change.

Bottom line, HNL is not that profitable a market for any carrier. It's a long flight, with demanding yet low-paying customers. I just can't see WN entering the market, it's just too big of a risk.



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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

IMHO, if WN were to expand to Hawaii, they'd do it organically, adding service from LAX, SAN, and SFO to HNL. I don't think they'd buy a Hawaiian regional and be forced to operate those routes, also.

What about gate space at HNL? Does anyone know if there is space available? I seem to recall someone telling me that gate space there is first-come first-served, and that there are no assigned gates. You just have to have a slot for the time period your aircraft is using that gate. Is that correct?

Cheers!



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User currently offlineSRD737NG From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

SWAFA30 :

You make very good points in your above posts. I have been hearing this rumor growing rapidly from airline friends all over the country at different companies over the last few weeks. I was wondering how long it would take to show up on this forum.

To add to what you have already said, I can see why it would be a plus in some ways for WN to purchase AQ. For those who don't know, AQ has been for sale for a few years now. AQ is doing VERY well on their -700 trans-pac service, load wise and profit wise. SNA is making the most, and AQ has been trying to score more slots out of this airport, as well as OAK. We all know that slots at SNA are at a premium....so for WN, it would be a plus to acquire these slots, as it could be tough to get as many as they would want on their own.

Jeffrey1970 made the argument "why doesn't WN just do it themselves?" Other than the slot issue, it takes a lot of time and money to obtain a 737 ETOPS certificate, not to mention the airplanes all have to be specially equipped for ETOPS flying. Crews would have to be trained for ETOPS flying too, although that wouldn't be that long and difficult. They would also have to set up shop from scratch in HNL, OGG, KOA, and possibly LIH. With AQ they would already have all of this in place.

Drawbacks: I don't know how WN would tackle the inter-island market. It would never work on their own, if they were to do this, they would have to buy AQ. I just don't see why WN would want to be involved with a deteriorating inter-island market anyway. For years both AQ and HAL have lost money with this. It is the long haul that is making the money for AQ, not inter island flying. I wonder if WN would just turn over all of the inter island market to Island Air and run an RJ or Dash 8Q400 or something on that as a separate company as a WN codeshare?

I know pilots and F/A's at both companies. I get different opinions from each group. Many WN people I've talked to would love to move to Hawaii and fly day trips. Guys at AQ are worried that they may lose their easy lifestyle to a more senior WN employee and bump them to OAK or BWI. AQ crewmembers inter island can be home every night and only work around 13 days a month....very appealing to the family man/woman. Overwater crews (pilots) only fly around 10 days a month (if you count the day off in the middle of the 3 day trips, 15 days if you don't), and have an 80 hour guarantee to actually fly about 65-71 hours a month. To make it simple, WN employees work a lot more than AQ employees.

WN however, well it's obvious. VERY STABLE company with good pay. I think that many AQ employees would be all for it for that reason alone.

Why would WN want to get involved with Hawaii? Hawaii tourism is up, up, up. More and more people are traveling to the islands now a days for vacation for reasons we all know. ATA is a LCC that has jumped on the Hawaii market, and they are doing well with it. Rumors are is that JetBlue has been eyeing service from the west coast as well. Why not WN get the jump on them and get it going now? I think it would be a wise move for them, bringing on AQ would only speed things up and help it along. Sorry for the novel...........


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

You might be reading more into the life rafts than they really are? It very well could be for the Eastern Seaboard flights so they do not have to hug the coast and get some better routings, so they can get in and get out again. Also flights from the West coast to Florida, again just shoot across the Gulf of Mexico and once again quicker route.


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User currently offlineSWAFA30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

First, WN is successful because of its appeal to the business traveler. Hardly anyone goes to HNL on business. Strike one against WN's format.

Southwest success lies in its appeal to both the business and leisure traveler treating both groups as equally important. I think the appeal of WN service to HNL for the business traveler is not when said business traveler travel on business but rather when he/she travels for pleasure.

Second, WN has a simple and easy FF system. If it served HNL, it would either be offering a TON of free tickets to HNL or make an exception for HNL flights. Either one would be harmful, in my opinion. There is absolutely no way they could fly to HNL under the current FF system. Everyone and their dog who makes 4 round-trips booked online would be gobbling up seats to HNL. Without capacity controls, I bet at least half, if not more, of the seats on HNL flights would be free tickets. On the other hand, they would probably upset some customers if they increased the requirements solely for HNL flights. That's the biggest advantage of Rapid Rewards, in my opinion -- I can fly anywhere for the same number of points, no capacity controls. I don' think it would be advantageous to make that change.

The double credit bonus for booking online will end on 12/31/03. I think changing the requirements for RR redemption would compromise the integrity of the program. To really make use of HNL or OGG as a tool to encourage customer loyalty the customer has to know that when SWA says a RR ticket is good anywhere..they truly mean anywhere. This is where the Revenue and Yield management folks would really have to earn their pay. The big question is can WN put together the right mix of award ticket and revenue seats at varied price points to keep the flights profitable or at least breaking even.

Ssides' points do raise some valid questions.....

I did a quick Orbitz search for walk up fares from SFO/OAK to HNL economy class, one way, non-stop, departing tomorrow. ATA had the lowest fare at $400. Aloha was next at $434. Hawaiian was third at $545. UA, DL, and US all quoted about $740. What kind of fare structure would SWA have to implement on this route to make themselves attractive to the other major's customers and still keep this route profitable? Anyone know what the BELF is on SWA's transcons(BWI-LAX, SJC, SAN)? If it is the mid 60s to low 70s like I believe the rest of the system is...and we apply that to OAK-HNL, could you sell 30-40 FF seats on each flight and fill the rest with revenue customers and still make money? How is a RapidRewards passenger who travels BWI-SAN on an award ticket that she earned flying BWI-PVD round trips any different from a RapidRewards passenger flying OAK-HNL on a free ticket he earned flying LAX-SMF?

Interesting stuff indeed. Nice to be able to post on a WN thread that does not involve defending open seating or singing flight attendants.




User currently onlineAloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

AQ is 'for sale' and has been for awhile. The two families that own most of it want to sale it before they end up with thousands of feuding relatives who can't decide what to do. My dad does business with one of the owners and was asked about buying a piece of AQ....too bad we don't have a few million lying around.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

That said, I don't think the government of the State of Hawaii would be to excited about losing one our 'local' airlines. There is a big feeling among people in Hawaii that if either AQ or HA or both were merged into or bought by larger airlines (UA, AA, WN etc) that the interisland market would be ignored due to its low (nonexistant) profitability.

I don't necessarily agree with this action, but I think that if a major airline tried to buy AQ or HA the State of Hawaii would do ALOT to prevent it from happening. They have already suspended landing fees at HNL for HA and AQ many times to 'help them out' when times are tough. The fear of a lack of service on interisland routes is legitimate and I believe that AQ and HA are more likely to be willing to lose money on interisland flights than WN or another airline would be.

Aloha!



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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

SWAFA30 --

Do you know if they are planning on extending the double bonus credit? I know they've done it several times in the past (I remember flying WN in 2000 when the web site said the double bonus promotion would end 12/31/2000). It might have achieved its purpose now, though -- I hear that 60% of WN's tickets (or something like that) are bought online now.

Also, what about WN's policy of no one-way fare greater than $299? Either that or the Rapid Rewards policy would have to change, I would think.



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User currently offlineSWAFA30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

SWAFA30 --

Do you know if they are planning on extending the double bonus credit? I know they've done it several times in the past (I remember flying WN in 2000 when the web site said the double bonus promotion would end 12/31/2000). It might have achieved its purpose now, though -- I hear that 60% of WN's tickets (or something like that) are bought online now.

Also, what about WN's policy of no one-way fare greater than $299? Either that or the Rapid Rewards policy would have to change, I would think.


Ssides,

I don't have any inside scoop on the double RR credits. I think the whole idea was indeed to encourage passengers to book online. Also it was a great way to lure people back to the skies post 9/11. Judging by the recent decision to shut down 3 reservations call centers I would say the idea worked. You may see the double credit come back from time to time...for instance I would expect some kind of promo for the PHL opening.

Right now, the $299 walk up is the LCC industry standard and SWA is hanging their hat on that figure. If Revenue Management could not make mainland to HNL service work for that price, perhaps they could keep it around for the rest of the system with an asteriks (sp?) for HNL. The only catch is that the traveling public hates asteriks. Nothing worse than a great offer with strings attached.

[Edited 2003-12-02 00:04:35]

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4831 times:

You're exactly right, SWAFA30 --

Because I must fly long-haul from Dallas often, AA is my preferred carrier; I am a loyal AAdvantage member but I HATE the capacity controls when trying to book AAdvantage flights or upgrades. I am usually able to earn about 1 WN free flight per year, however, and I LOVE the fact that I can basically jump on any flight I want. It would greatly disappoint me if that changed.

From one perspective, though, I guess you could argue that nothing really changed -- if they did the asterisk thing for HNL or a RR restriction for HNL you could still fly to the same destinations as before for $299 or with your RR points. Nevertheless, I don't think it would go over well.



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User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

RR credits for on-line booking will now earn 1 1/2 credit per one way. This was announced a few months back.

Back to the AQ/WN thing. IF it were to happen I would like to see WN keep the same great mainland-HNL service. The only change I would make is take out first class. Add a few more seats and another inch of leg room. They could probably configure with 125 instead of 137, typical WN configuration.

WW for LGBGUY


User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

If we wanted to dabble with a Hawai'i experiment, I would suggest a foray into codesharing with Aloha. It would test the codeshare option,and not expend too much money by expanding there, or purchasing AQ outright. But, anyway, I hear COS will be the next location.  Smile Been hearing that for 9 years!

25 Ha763 : I doubt the State can do much to prevent another carrier from buying AQ or HA. There will be no anti-trust issues because there is a lot of competitor
26 Post contains images Sllevin : If WN were to take over AQ, they would need to find another aircraft type to replace the -200s A look around MHV and other storage locations indicates
27 StevenUhl777 : For what it's worth, I think an AS/AQ combination would make much more sense. I don't see UA or AA buying AQ anytime soon, given their current financi
28 Aloha73g : I also don't think the State of Hawaii could do much to stop a merger/buyout, but as long as AQ and HA are doing well I think the State (and its power
29 Lgbguy : >>> I also don't think WN wants to come into the interisland market. The flights are so short that WN probably wouldn't make much a difference as far
30 Luv2fly : OK, you have one carrier in bankruptcy protection and another for sale, tell me again what is the draw for them to come into this market? I believe th
31 PSU.DTW.SCE : AQ runs just as fast a show on the ground as WN, if not faster on a regular basis. Their turn times are scheduled for 20-30 minutes at the outer islan
32 NWA Man : Disclaimer: I don't know the market... apologies extended if I generalize too much... But how is the inter-island market not profitable? There are a r
33 Bluewave 707 : Here's an interesting factoid ... It may be off the topic, but concerns both WN and AQ ... AQ leased a 732 from WN w-a-a-a-y back in the late 70s. I a
34 Post contains links and images Aloha717200 : Here's that image. View Large View MediumPhoto © George Gayuski But really, I dont know why we must keep speculating about WN purchasing AQ. They
35 Lgbguy : Well as the original poster I feel I must respond to ALOHA717200. I do not want AQ to go away. As a matter of fact I think WN would make a big mistake
36 Luv2fly : OK if you run it as a separate carrier that doubles your costs, signage, uniforms, stationary, the lists goes on and on. Right there that defeats the
37 Flyboyaz : As good as Southwest is, I doubt the people of Hawaii would be very pleased with one of their national carriers being replaced with an airline based i
38 Lgbguy : WN would incoporate AQ uniforms into thier own. Only a few of the AQ unform pieces would be kept. And whatever was kept would be for all to wear not o
39 Post contains images Flyboyaz : Well actually Lgbguy, I don't need cheaper airfares...I fly for free hehe But the interisland fares are very affordable and actually comprable to WN's
40 Lgbguy : ORG-HNL DST-KOA TRIP-OUTBOUND CXR-AQ 3DEC03 USD THE FOLLOWING CARRIERS ALSO PUBLISH FARES HNL-KOA: AA HA HP NW UA TAXES INCLUDED-USE FL ENTRY PSGR FAC
41 Coronado990 : I think the difference between Southwest and Aloha is that AQ (and HA) act as a supplement to the interstate highway system (as does AS in Alaska) and
42 Luv2fly : Lgbguy WN would incorporate AQ uniforms into their own. Only a few of the AQ unform pieces would be kept. And whatever was kept would be for all to we
43 Flyboyaz : I don't know the exact mileage but it is far less than 300nm, probably about 100-150. I noticed that WN flies from TPA-FLL nonstop and I suppose that
44 SRD737NG : Hawaii residents do not get cheaper airfares than visitors to the islands, and definitely not for under $35!! Someone was pulling your chain....
45 Lgbguy : If the locals are indeed getting a seat for only $25-35. I would agree with you that there is no way WN could lower those types of fares. But if it is
46 PSU.DTW.SCE : Fixed costs....regardless of how long or short the flight is......
47 Aloha717200 : Last I checked, most of Aloha's interisland flights were $65 systemwide. Not counting Island Air of course. At the time, Hawaiian's flights were $78-8
48 Uprightnlocked : One point that was missed (maybe I did not see it in this long thread) is the amount of pax that AQ gains from the mainland carriers. I assume (maybe
49 Aloha73g : I have NEVER seen an interisland fare for $132. The cheapest they go is an occasional sale for $59 each way. Right now I believe the highest interisla
50 Bruce : What they should do is build a Overseas Highway between the Islands. The Feds could grant Interstate hwy funding for it. It is not that great a distan
51 Panaman : there is no + or - because it wont happen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
52 Aloha717200 : Bruce, that would most definitely never happen. There are several reasons why, but among the most important are that the hawaiian waters feature the h
53 Aloha73g : They will NOT build a highway between the islands because the channels between the islands are VERY rough and VERY deep. It would require a HUGE techn
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