EZYcrew From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 460 posts, RR: 3 Posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3334 times:
Everyday since about 2 weeks, I hear rumors that we don't have any cash left and that when the Federal elections are over on Dec. 10, Swiss will shut down for good.
Most my flights are really empty (20-50% loadfactor, European routes), and all my colleagues tell me they are afraid that the company won't last for much longer.
And since Oct, we've gone sort of lowcost on the entire European network, with prices going down and no more free drinks and snacks for Y-cl. And since then, all I get is complaints from pax, and nearly empty flights.
WGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3302 times:
Swiss is about to join oneworld, and I don't think they would allow Swiss to join if they were uncertain about the long term survivability of the airline. In my opinion, British Airways will quite possibly take over Swiss before allowing it to collapse.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
Swiss does have its problems. What ever happened to the deal with Lufthansa that was even announced in the media whereby LH was going to take over SR and in return SR would get a small interest in the combined Lufthansa?
the new Swiss in Europe concept is doing quite well. Fares are down, but loads have increased to more than compensate for the lower yields. This is according to the latest news release.
To be honest, I was a bit sceptical at first of the "Swiss in Europe" concept, but I now think it was a necessary and correct decision. Most people nowadays just want the lowest possible fare, period. This is especially true on short-haul flights.
I remain a loyal SWISS customer and I hope that they can pull this turnaround off successfully. EZYCrew, I know it's tough seeing all the negative headlines in the Swiss media, but it's especially you (as a SWISS employee) that can make a difference. Don't give up!
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3182 times:
I flew Swiss for the first time a few weeks ago, and while it didn't disappoint, I don't understand how they can make it with their short-haul business class product. On both of my flights, which were both on business days, there was NOT ONE PERSON in business class. Coach on my LHR-LH / LFSB), France">BSL leg was also pretty empty, but probably 80% full on the return. However, when looking at the business class seats, I kept wondering why anyone would pay the extra money to sit here. The pitch looked exactly the same, and the seats themselves just seemed to have a bit more headrest. Plus, drinks and food are complimentary. Does that justify the price difference? I sure don't think so. But here's the kicker: business class takes up HALF OF THE PLANE, at least on the A320.
I think this will need to change if Swiss will make it in the long run.
Also, they should look hard at whether Europe really needs this airline, anyway. In my opinion, Swiss and SN Brussels could probably go away and no one would really notice. BA and the new AF/KLM product could easily fill the markets they left behind, with LH and Alitalia picking up some slack. For better or for worse, with Europe integrating even further both economically and politically, I just don't think every little country needs its own airline anymore.
Poh2 From Venezuela, joined Oct 2003, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3125 times:
SWISS does not differentiate between its C and Y-class product any more or less than British Airways, Lufthansa, Air France, KLM, etc. I'm strictly talking about short-haul, intra-European flights.
I doubt you will find an airline that offers a true business class on intra-European flights. By this I mean special C-class seats that offer more legroom and width.
Most airlines have a system in which they can change the size of their C-class and Y-class within a few minutes simply by moving the separating wall between the two classes. This can be found on most A320 and B737 family aircraft, at least in Europe. The seats themselves, are exactly the same. Only thing I noticed is that there is a 3X2 configuration in the front few rows, and then farther back it changes to 3x3. But depending on how many C-class pax are aboard, you may sit in Y-class, but still have a C-class seat...depeding on where that movable, separating wall is.
However, I do agree with you. I too do not understand why people are willing to pay twice or three times (if not more) for a biz class ticket when the only real difference is getting free food. My guess is that most people flying biz class intra-Europe today are getting the fare paid by their companies...in which case I can understand it.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3086 times:
Dont forget that on most intra-european flights, business class is essentially a full-fare coach product.......travellers, usually businessmen and women, who do not qualify for any special or discount fare, ie, because they are not staying over a Saturday night or are going and coming on the same day, must pay a full or higher fare and therefore are given a seat in business class. Business class, as mentioned, usually offers some amenities and slightly more room, depending on the airline, and I agree its nothing special. Swiss, and most european carriers, have done away with the more traditional first class-type cabin on their smaller aircraft.
Chgoan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2972 times:
SWISS is offering IATAN members a promotional discount on flights through end of March. I think my friend and I are going to take them up on it and go to Zurich for a few days.....its so cheap. You said you were upgraded to F/C....was that upon booking or at the gate? Any tips?
PiedmontGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2938 times:
Chogan, it was due to a snafu. There were three seats left on the flight. One in F/C and two in coach. A married couple were trying to upgrade to F/C, but with only one seat left, it wasn't possible.
While the couple huffed and puffed, the agent checked me in and handed me a boarding pass. When I looked at the seat number, I was grateful indeed. So, I can't give you any tips. It was just pure luck and the fact that I was very nice to everyone -- that goes a long way. The other people trying to board the flight were not being nice at all -- all of them were industry travelers other than the couple who wanted to upgrade and couldn't.
Vermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2941 times:
one of the few carriers in Europe offering a different seat configuration( 2x2), more comfortable seat and more pitch is AZ.
They do truly have a great product, now if they could only be more reliable...
Saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
I have been wondering the same thing - if they will make it. As some of you know I am one of the pilots who got laid off about a month ago. Since then I have been at FlightSafety in Florida working on my US licenses. I have lost track of SWISS, though I must say that I hope they survive and I can someday get my job back.
But a part of me says that they have done too little and too late. The company started with a huge gift of cash from investors and the state. But when the numbers were not there the management was slow to react. Additionally, the conflict with the pilots was very expensive and should probably have been handled differently from the very beginning. Instead, the company allowed itself to get backed into a corner and had two groups of pilots with conflicting contracts. This did not need to be the case. I am blaming neither side in this conflict, though clearly both are somewhat to blame. Cool heads and common sense could have saved us that terrible conflict. Only now is it beginning to settle down a bit, and at a huge cost both financially and emotionally to all involved.
I am not sure they will make it. Other companies in Europe are not losing money nearly as fast. They seem to have costs under control someplace where SWISS does not. The pilot contract issue was just one thing. There are other losses elsewhere as well. The problem is not really empty airplanes. During my last few months we were flying with quite high load factors, at least on my flights. I cannot really say where the money is going, but somewhere in the company the costs are clearly too high.
I think that some type of take-over/rescue by BA is possible, but with drastic changes to SWISS if that is what finally happens.
DALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 2766 times:
I remember an article from a Swiss Newspaper "Cash" lilkey ten years ago. It was the time when the Alcatraz thing was being discussed. The letters said:
SWISSAIR SOLD TO DELTA!!
Even though myself not a SR fan, couldn't picture that SR would be sold to
But nowadays SR is gone, but there is Swiss and I now can see the possibility
that LX remainders is going up in BA.
I blame the Board and CEO who started LX with one foot in the grave.
A Country the size of Switzerland doesn't need daily nonstops throughout the
world. The fleet was way to big from the very beginning.
And how they bragged that LX is going to be a premium Airline.(LXEurope , do understand that they have to save money but still...) When it
came down to true facts and figures they never where embarresed to make up bad excuses.
The sheet has turned now!!!
But for the sake of all Swiss Employees I hope that there will be a change and better days will appear.
Qualitiy, Pride, Money and Fun factor will rise again.
But therefore the Board and CEO MUST be replaced!