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2004, A Good Year For IAH....?  
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3860 posts, RR: 23
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

With the recent annoucements from PIA beginning flights in '04' , KLM adding 2 extra flights, rumours of Egyptair eyeing Houston as well as a huge rumour that CO is planning a flight to LOS, as well as a mysterious upstart carrier from Nigeria called Trans Atlantic Airways alledgely beginning an IAH flight to Banjul and Port Harcourt later this month, it looks like if even just one of these services is commenced, 2004 may be a good year for our "Li'l ol airport".

Personally, I remain hopeful but just a little skeptical this early on.

Thomas


"Show me the Braniffs"
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User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 593 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

I agree, I believe 2003 was a good year. New Terminal opened, 15R/33L opened, the new runway opened, the new cargo area opened, and the new FIS building is taking shape, AN-225 making two visits (this helps show what kind of capacity the new cargo area can handle.)


ETSN Baber, USN
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6374 times:

Announcements and rumors are typically not worth the letters they're typed with....

...when you see a PK or MS aircraft at IAH Terminal-D, then be happy.  Big grin


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

Over the years, I've learned to never believe these rumors until I see the plane parked at IAH.

User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

Personally, Im very bullish on traffic levels rising at the two Houston airports, so much so that I have put bids in to work at both IAH & HOU towers.

User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

Yeah, yeah, yeah Thomas..........ya'll are finally get some respect in the airline world !! DFW is still much better !! ha ha ha !! Just giving you a hard time!!

Jay


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6250 times:


Before everybody starts flamming me here, my following question is just RUMOUR. Just though that you people living over there, could confirm something.

Recently I heard that CO might be considering the idea of upgrading the route IAH-BOG-IAH from 737 to a 757. Really don't think so, as imagine the flight is fine as it is, but the idea kept rumbling in my head. Just wanted to ask.


EXPLORE SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3860 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

Concorde Boy and Cba,

I agree whole heartedly. Frankly there is no one more skepital than I when it comes to proposed or rumored service at IAH. IAH has been left standing at the alter one too may times, can you say SQ Cargo? Still as I stated earlier, I am cautiously optimistic that at least 1 of these carriers will be sitting at "D" before years end. If I were a betting man, I would sat that PK would be that carrier.

Jay,


Sorry my misguided Dallas friend, but IAH will always outclass DFW when it comes to int'l service  Wink/being sarcastic . We may be smaller but what's that old saying....? "good things come in small packages"  Wink/being sarcastic BTW, where is that QF flight?  Laugh out loud Just giving you a hard time  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineTriley1057 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 459 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

I think 2004 will be a good year as well for IAH. I flew out of there last night back to LAX and explored Terminal E for a bit which I am really impressed with. Now if they would only start working on Terminal C but from what I hear there are plans to do so. I don't know about Trans Atlantic Airways. Doesn't this flight begin on the 5th of December? I guess the only way to find out is to go the airport and see for yourself. I don't know if anything will ever happen with MS but I feel pretty confident that PIA will be there in 2004. I would also expect to see some new cargo service pop up. I have noticed on Flytecomm.com that every Saturday night for the past few weeks there has been either a Gemini Air Cargo DC-10 or Atlas Air 742 flight coming in from LAX. I don't know if this is a regular flight or new. It is great to see KLM adding flights as well. I expect there to be more alliance related growth. Houston as a city seems to be in the spotlight lately with all the stuff going on there. It should be interesting to be at the airports during the Superbowl.

User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

Those Gemini and Atlas birds are flying for Lan Chile Cargo. They had an 89.1% jump in cargo from Sept 2002 to Sept 2003, and as a result we've outgrown their 767s. That's why you're seeing the DC-10s and 747s now.

Also, the Christmas rush is beginning for cargo. FedEx now has eight flights a day from 5, including DC-10s, A300s, A310, and 727s. I'd expect more growth there as we go along. UPS has added another SDF 757 flight, and upgraded Rockford to a DC-8 and the other two SDF flights to the A300.

Lots and lots of AN-124s and -225s coming in as well. There's a Volga -124 on the ground right now from Shannon.

I have very high hopes on PIA coming here, and Trans Atlantic seems to be somewhat legit...I guess we'll see in two days. I wouldn't hedge my bets on Egypt Air. That rumor has been floating for a while, along with Saudi. Personally what I look forward to is having the KLM 763s here, hopefully timed so that they're here while the 744 is still around. Now who would have thought a couple years ago that you'd be able to go to Terminal D and get a picture of 3 BA 777s, AF 777, LH A340, and KLM 763 and 744 all at the same time?

Brian



Go Astros!
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6115 times:

What's this rumor about CO starting flights to LOS? I have a hard time believing it, but you never know. I know Shell and other oil companies have big operations there, but it's hard to picture CO there.

If CO did launch this service, would they be the only US airline serving an African destination? I know some US airlines used to serve CAI and maybe a few others.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3860 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Ssides,

I agree, LOS does seem to be a bit of an oddball route but as what was stated in that other thread concering CO's next int'l route, CO has a history of flying to "off the beaten track" destinations. It's "Air Mike" operations spring to mind as well as it's short lived service to CNS in the 90s. Indeed if CO should start the IAH/LOS route, they will be the only US carrier currently flying to Africa.

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

It's "Air Mike" operations spring to mind as well as it's short lived service to CNS in the 90s.

CO still flies to CNS. Or where you referring to CO excluding Air Mike operations?



a.
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

"Recently I heard that CO might be considering the idea of upgrading the route IAH-BOG-IAH from 737 to a 757. ."

At one time when they first launched the route I believe they did indeed fly the 757 to BOG, before they aquired the 737NGs.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

@Thomasphoto60

I could not disagree more with you on your bold assertion that IAH will always outclass DFW in terms of international service. First of all I am unsure what roll class plays in the service at all. Secondly, when the new International terminal is complete at DFW, they will have the largest and most modern facility in the state, and more broadly in the Soutwest. When that facility is complete, sit back and watch the rumors about new international service at DFW become fact. Until then, we are talking about rumors at both airports. If I were a betting man, I would bet on DFW making more of their rumors into reality, and establishing itself as the dominant international airport in Texas (which will nicely complement its status as the busiest airport in the state, and the busiest facility West of the Mississippi!).






See you up front!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

When that facility is complete, sit back and watch the rumors about new international service at DFW become fact. Until then, we are talking about rumors at both airports. If I were a betting man, I would bet on DFW making more of their rumors into reality, and establishing itself as the dominant international airport in Texas (which will nicely complement its status as the busiest airport in the state, and the busiest facility West of the Mississippi!).

Houston's position as the dominant international airport in Texas is not being threatened. It is based on the the simple fact that the international orgin & destination market from Houston to international markets is significantly larger than that of Dallas.



a.
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5965 times:

Will the International Terminal at DFW outclass the new Terminal E at IAH ?, This is a question, not a rhetorical question...

Jeremy


User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

@MAH4546

Your simple facts do not seem to be panning out this year. The following numbers were taken from the DFW airport website and the Houston Airport System Website.

YTD International PAX

DFW - 4,387,338
IAH - 4,275,799

And that is with DFW currently having some of the worst international facilities in the state. The new terminal will bring marked improvements and new flights from a slew of airlines.



[Edited 2003-12-03 23:46:21]


See you up front!
User currently offlineBrunswick737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5916 times:

Heck, It better be a good year for IAH. I want to see some more mixture of more airlines Instead of seeing them Continental Jets running around  Nuts (I really like continental a lot though)

Will the International Terminal at DFW outclass the new Terminal E at IAH ?, This is a question, not a rhetorical question...

maybe though.... I've been through Terminal E last weekend and for me it kinda has a "domestic" feel to it.....Hopefully by the time it is opened up for International Services it will probally be better....(I am talking about Terminal E) I really like the place, looks modern than terminal A,B,C & D


User currently offlineMattg21iah From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5878 times:

Are there any plans to renovate Terminal C at IAH. On the whole its a great facility but Terminal C is pretty gross compared other airports.

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3860 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

David a.ka. AA7573E,

Jay and I have been antongnizing each other in a good nature manner for years now........so relax.

A slew of new airlines huh....want to name a few that have given any hard commitments to DFW? As for your assertion that DFW will dominate the int'l traffic market in the Texas and the SW once the new int'l terminal is completed, well we will see. Experience has taught me that "if you build it does not mean that they will come". As for those numbers, well I agree they are impressive. I suspect however if CO were the size of "Ameriflot", well IAH's numbers would be on a par if not higher than DFW.

Frankly it sounds to me like you have a problem with H-town!

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 593 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

Hey AA757E

Thanks for the numbers, however, do not be surprise of the Int. numbers at IAH pass those at DFW. Sure DFW is busy, doesn't mean its INT. numbers are gonna sky rocket, same goes for KIAH.



ETSN Baber, USN
User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Mattg21ah,

Terminal E can't really be used as an international terminal until the new FIS bldg. is completed, which will be a couple of years after E is finished, so I think the plan is that once E is opened completely, they will be able to close of parts of C and renovate it one section at a time, with E picking up the slack.


User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

"as well as a mysterious upstart carrier from Nigeria called Trans Atlantic Airways alledgely beginning an IAH flight to Banjul and Port Harcourt later this month"

Transatlantic is apparently for-real. We have been told to expect them at Dulles Airport bright and early Monday morning (12/08/03). With a Boeing 747-100. If it doesn't snow too badly...


User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

"YTD International PAX

DFW - 4,387,338
IAH - 4,275,799"

Try looking at monthly stats. DFW's website has done a better job of posting up-to-date figures, but IAH has been ahead in the international passenger count for years.


25 MAH4546 : YTD International PAX DFW - 4,387,338 IAH - 4,275,799 Then it must be a real bad year for Houston, because in 2002 they handled 5.7M international pas
26 Bartond : Ha ha ha I've been watching over this typical Dallas vs. Houston (DFW vs. IAH) battle and here's my long-winded take on it, albeit mostly common sense
27 AA7573E : Wow! I was not expecting to take such a beating, but after reading my comments, I guess I might of been a bit angry with my postings. If that is the c
28 Triley1057 : This IAH vs. DFW debate always makes me laugh. It's all good natured though AA7573E and by the way I am sure some Aussie is about to flame you for spe
29 Thomasphoto60 : The H-Town vs Big D debate is definetly fun to watch and participate. As someone who was born in Dallas and having more than a few relatives and frien
30 MAH4546 : So which TX city will get the first N/S to LHR........? Houston is definitley closer. British Airways flies IAH-LHR daily via ORD.
31 Post contains images Jcs17 : Despite our lack of international airlines, at least we are still allowed to take pictures of aircraft here at DFW
32 Thomasphoto60 : Well, we can still take pics here from the terminal garages . Still I much rather have my two old haunts back, as they provided some fantastic photo o
33 Bartond : AA757, good post sir. I agree with you. I think the airports will kinda go their separate directions and have different strategies, which is fine. Not
34 Post contains images Triley1057 : On a different subject, do you guys see any new domestic carriers coming to IAH? I would love to see Alaska sitting at Terminal A as well as Jetblue.
35 Jcs17 : Houston is definitley closer. British Airways flies IAH-LHR daily via ORD. And AA flies to LHR via ORD as well on a single f/n.... I doubt it. I have
36 ConcordeBoy : So which TX city will get the first N/S to LHR........? Houston is definitley closer. British Airways flies IAH-LHR daily via ORD. True. But then agai
37 Thomasphoto60 : DFW is bound to see increased services to Europe by European carriers, though I sincerely doubt that KL would be one of those carriers. Keep in mind t
38 BigB : IMO one such carrier that might give DFW a serious looksee would be VS. If VS wanted to come to Texas, IAH would be first on the list due to the codes
39 BigB :
40 MAH4546 : And AA flies to LHR via ORD as well on a single f/n.... With a change of plane from an M80 to a 777. The only thing that single flight number does is
41 Thomasphoto60 : BigB, In regards to HOU vs IAH, well some locals (specifically some very vocal IAH supporters) would love to see HOU shut down as they feel it takes a
42 Bartond : Although it would be nice, VS ain't comin to Dallas. There's too much AA/BA interest there (4x daily DFW-LGW right now) and, like was mentioned before
43 BigB : In regards to HOU vs IAH, well some locals (specifically some very vocal IAH supporters) would love to see HOU shut down as they feel it takes away po
44 BigB : Besides, If AS planes do decide to actually show up, I'll be happy to welcome them at Terminal C or B at IAH.
45 Thomasphoto60 : I completley agree that the chances of VS serving DFW anytime, well frankly, DFW would have a better chance of seeing a July blizzard. My point was th
46 BigB : Thomas things are HOU are well. A little behind on the Terminal project. Half of Central Concourse (East wing) is open for SWA (flights that run to Da
47 Jcs17 : Finnair might actually be a possibility for DFW, for two main reasons: 1) Nokia's massive US headquarters in is Irving. Therefore, the numbers of high
48 UA744Flagship : I definitely think IAH has a lot of potential. The professor of my airport management class was the #2 airport manager at IAH until 2.5 years ago, whe
49 Post contains images Jsnww81 : First of all, let me just say how refreshing it is to read an intelligent, good-natured debate on this site. Quite a change from the usual 12-year-old
50 MidEx717 : It would be nice if Midwest Airlines flew nonstop from MKE-IAH.
51 Thomasphoto60 : BigB, Forgive me as I meant to say Jan in regards to the Superbowl. I had just woken up and was still very sleeply. James Thanks for the insight and t
52 Mattg21iah : How does IAH and DFW compare cargo wise. The new facility at IAH looks like it could attract some more interest from cargo carriers. How do the DFW fa
53 All4BWI : DFW has an advantage with a noticable UPS presence. I know Lufthansa Cargo used to serve there as well, I'm not sure if they still do. Then if you inc
54 BigB : How does IAH and DFW compare cargo wise. The new facility at IAH looks like it could attract some more interest from cargo carriers. How do the DFW fa
55 Post contains images Jcs17 : DFW has a new (opened in the past few years) cargo facility with lots of tarmac space and big warehouses. We currently get: EVA Air Cargo (nine or ele
56 All4BWI : Will the China Eastern to DFW be routed through ORD, or will it stand alone? What aircraft, MD11F?
57 Thomasphoto60 : Indeed, DFW is the reigning air cargo king in Texas. Still, IAH gets regular AN124/225 service, Martinair, Air France Cargo, Carogolux, Lan Chile (at
58 Jcs17 : I believe the route is PVG-DFW on an MD-11F although I doubt the M11 has the range. I believe that if its routed through anywhere it is through ANC.
59 BigB : Thomas BA Cargo already is in Houston http://www.houstonairportsystem.org/news?id=20030827.1263583315
60 Thomasphoto60 : Cool..thanks for the heads up, BigB. I guess I am out of town too much lately to keep up with the latest happenings. Thomas
61 Hoons90 : ...could see Korean and Air France coming back to DFW Doesn't KE already fly to DFW, 3x weekly ? Just wondering, what about flights to Asia ? DFW has
62 Klwright69 : STT757, I just thought I would tell you that IAH-BOG was initiated by a 737-300. It started in December of 1993, and I took it 2 weeks after the inaug
63 BigB : CO flies IAH-NRT non-stop, but that is it.
64 Toxtethogrady : IAH's top year was the 12-month period from September 2000 to August 2001, and if Sept. 11 hadn't happened, Continental was planning to add more of th
65 Jcs17 : Yes Hoons, KE does fly 3x weekly to DFW.
66 Thomasphoto60 : So I would be curious for some feedback on the following topic. The US and Vietnamese governments recently signed a bilateral air service agreement be
67 BigB : IAH will not see much more traffic from other domestic carriers because it has only 20 gates not claimed by Continental or its codeshare partners, and
68 BigB : Thomas Even though we have a large viet. population, it is going to depend on which airline get the rights and the market that is being chased.
69 MAH4546 : Frankly it is a no brainer that LAX will be the main US gateway (possibly HNL) for these flights Actually, it is a no brainer that SFO will be the ma
70 Thomasphoto60 : SFO over LAX, are you sure about that? Given L.A.'s huge Vietnamese population, one might naturally assume that LAX would be the US gateway to SGN. Th
71 Toxtethogrady : "YTD International PAX DFW - 4,387,338 IAH - 4,275,799" A little follow-up for AA7573E - the DFW number is for the 12 months prior, the IAH number is
72 Toxtethogrady : "Out of those 20, 5 of them are open." Hello, jetBlue...
73 JayDavis : This has been a VERY informative and enlightening post thoughout and as someone mentioned above, no goofy statements !! Way to go gang! I work for KE
74 Post contains images Thomasphoto60 : Super Bowl.....YAWN! Back to back NBA championships, now that is something to be proud of. Besides we have now hosted 2 super bowls, granted 30 years
75 Jcs17 : With a change of plane from an M80 to a 777. The only thing that single flight number does is give passengers on the DFW-LHR flight less air miles. Th
76 Post contains images JayDavis : I have a travel agency account in Houston that is telling me that people are very close to earning their "Elite" status with OnePass on CO are now fly
77 Paddy : I know that KE flies out of DFW but who offers nonstops to asia out of IAH?
78 Post contains links FATFlyer : SFO over LAX, are you sure about that? Given L.A.'s huge Vietnamese population, one might naturally assume that LAX would be the US gateway to SGN. Th
79 Jcs17 : I know that KE flies out of DFW but who offers nonstops to asia out of IAH? Only CO to NRT.
80 JayDavis : Yes, CO only offers non-stop service to NRT and then many of their passengers connect to NW flights to other Asian cities. Thay way these people conti
81 MAH4546 : Speaking of that, there was a post above about a possibility of Finnair coming into DFW due to Nokia having such a huge operation here. That never eve
82 JayDavis : Really, why would you rule out Finnair not coming to Dallas, eventually, if there was really that much traffic due to Nokia? Just curious. Jay
83 Jcs17 : Finnair has awful connection feeds from JFK and MIA. I'm not saying that Finnair coming to DFW is a sure thing, but its possible. Who knows whats goin
84 Triley1057 : Speaking of Vietnam and Houston, I was reading an article in the Houston Chronicle about some Vietnamese government officials visiting Houston and the
85 MAH4546 : Finnair has awful connection feeds from JFK and MIA. I'm not saying that Finnair coming to DFW is a sure thing, but its possible. The flights both are
86 Mattg21iah : I know this is a little off topic but I know there are a lot of IAH spotters that read this thread. I was out there the other day waiting to pick up s
87 JoseMEX : >>I don't know if the cost of trips are higher out of EFD vs. IAH
88 Bartond : Actually Finnair has all of the South American connections it needs out of MIA, so DFW doesn't provide them with much additional pax aside from the bi
89 Thomasphoto60 : Matt21iah, Indeed the new runway offers some spectacular viewing and a ton of photo possibilities. One of the best so far is just adjacent the UPS fac
90 Post contains images JayDavis : Hey Thomas, If one of those 2 DSLR's are a Canon, why don't we "finally" hook up and let me shoot with one of them? Never shot a digital, yet !! DFW s
91 Thomasphoto60 : Jay, I know that I have been promising to get together with you for the last year or so and I feel bad that I have not been able to keep my promise bu
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