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BA 777 In Near Miss?!  
User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5613 times:

Hi guys,

Catching up on the news today and come across this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/3255474.stm

Pretty close.

Justin.

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User currently offlineMartin21 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5520 times:

I'm glad there is TCAS.
But I think it is a growing problem in our over crowded skies.

Martin21



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5434 times:

are we approaching system overload?


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User currently offlineAA777-200 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 323 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5409 times:

Its not a near miss!!!! A near miss means they hit and almost missed! How many times do we have to say this?!?!?!?
(ok I feel better now)

Brad


User currently offlineCO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5359 times:

These alarms are triggered more than one would hope and think. It never said how far the planes were apart. Must have been a slow news day.

The pic in the article is of a 744 however.



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User currently offlineLearjet25 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 79 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5312 times:

I really think aircraft pass as close or closer than that more often than people think. Same direction and speed, a mile and a half between them...technically but not really a "near miss". I recall several times in the past year passing closer above behind or below other aircraft.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5175 times:

Controllers based in Hampshire said the planes were travelling in the same direction at the same speed, with at least a mile-and-a-half between them

A mile and a half laterally and no mention of the height between them.

The systems WORKED, there's no need for scare mongering.


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5171 times:

Can't have been that serious - controllers said that both aircraft were flying in the same direction at the same speed.

DC-10


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5164 times:

"The National Air Traffic Service said there was no risk to passengers on board the two planes.

Controllers based in Hampshire said the planes were travelling in the same direction at the same speed, with at least a mile-and-a-half between them"


Slow news day indeed... not that close, sounds like separation standards were violated but little or no risk of collision existed. Have been closer than that before with a TCAS RA.



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User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5128 times:

Very true.

The level of technology we have and these things are still occurring!?!?!

Something's not right here......

I mean take a look on Air Nav.. For all of you that don't own it:

A screen print of what I see:

http://images4.fotki.com/v47/free/6e561/5/58555/242713/A_Nav-or.jpg

Maybe we should take a leaf out of America's book. I cant recall when I last heard about any near misses in that area.

Something needs to be done  Sad

Justin.  Big thumbs up

Edit: Problem with image so I left the URL. If it says about not being authorised, just refresh that page should work  Smile Ta.

[Edited 2003-12-02 20:36:47]

User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5105 times:

Oh yeah its a NEAR HIT!

Any one heard that 'George Carlin - Airline Announcements' Big grin Sooo funny.

Regards,

Justin.


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Bah, 1.5 mile seperation. I don't get excited until I can count the bugs on the other airplane. I'd rather not be able to do that again though.


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User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

Counting bugs could be cool  Wow! not!! Big grin

When did you come that close then Ralgha? Sounds a bit dangerous!

Justin  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Actually, I was more surprised to read that the flight, BA#202 from Detroit, was operating with a 777. It had been a 767 for quite some time.

(I can remember as a kid flying a BOAC VC-10 from Detroit to Heathrow)



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User currently offlineBAJax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Stretch 8:

Your right, that flight was with a B-767-300ER for some time.

About a month ago, they switched it to a B-777-200 when they introduced New Club World and World Traveller Plus on that route.

BAJax


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

It's happened twice actually, and I'll provide them in reverse order since the first was more exciting.

The second time I was with an instrument student in his Mooney slightly north of Albany, OR on V23 at 4000 (I think, could be wrong on the altitude), and a Citation shot by just underneath us climbing towards our 2 o'clock. It really wasn't all that close, probably 300 feet or so below us, but he quickly climbed above us after passing. Center called the traffic for us just after it passed (though Center still saw it at our 7 o'clock about) and I can't remember exactly what I replied with but it was something about him being close.

The first time I was in a Cutlass over the Columbia southeast of Scappoose, OR at about 1,500 I think. Saw something move on the edge of my periphial vision on the right, look over, and there's a twin (something like a Baron) in a 90 degree bank pulling away from me. He (she?) didn't have any bugs on his belly, but there were a lot of grease stains. If he'd (or she'd) reacted a fraction of a second later, we'd both be dead.

Both situations illustrate that scanning for traffic doesn't always work, since I was in both cases.

[Edited 2003-12-02 22:32:02]


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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4577 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

Actually, near miss IS the correct term. Near is used as an adjective (meaning 'within a short distance), miss is used as a noun (meaning 'a failure to hit'). Hence, it means a miss which was near [to being a hit]. A near hit actually means the things came close, and hit each other, provided near is used in the same, spatial sense. Now, if near were to be used in the temporal sense, then 'near hit' would mean close to hitting.

As 'near miss' is both grammatically and logically correct, AND the accepted term, I don't see there is any need to jump up and down saying it is wrong every time someone says it...

English teacher mode off...

V/F



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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

Well said VirginFlyer. Let's put this argument over whether it should be a "near miss" or a "near hit" to bed once and for all.

Near miss is the accepted term across the industry.



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