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Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004  
User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 16
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

With the new year right around the corner, im curious to know what everyone thinks the order books will look like in 2004 for Airbus and Boeing...

I see the trend continuing. Airbus has surpassed Boeing in the order books this year. The A340-500 and A340-600 seem to be selling nicely. A318/319/320/321 are looking very good as well especially for the new low cost carriers.

MEA321


MEA321
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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7302 times:

I read that Qantas to buy 20 A-buses (Jetstar?)
It looks brighter n brighter..........
 Big thumbs up

Michael/SE



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7261 times:

Perhaps an order for the 7E7 after it is offically launched early next year.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7199 times:

Frontier Airlines will probably convert some or all of it's options to firm A319 orders.

Just a prediction.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineBlueJet From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 397 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Wasn't there talk of Aerolineas Argentineas wanting a 744?

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24631 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7090 times:
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BA:

You're almost certainly right. But - will they convert some of their firm A319 orders to A320's?

The contract allows them to do so. The contract (for the 15 aircraft) also requires that they lease an extra 3 x A319 or A320 from a third party lessor.

Which will it be - 319 or 320?

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

I guess that Qatar and Singapore are both planning on ordering the 773 early next year. Qatar will hopefully turn its LOI for 2 A380's into an official order. The Star Alliance order will also probobly take place early next year. I would also expect eitheer JAL or ANA to launch the 7E7 sometime next year, and a Chinese carrier to lease some A380's. There has been talk that China wants some A380's for the Olympics in 2008, and I think pretty much all the delivery slots are full until them, hence them leasing them. On that issue though when ILFC placed their order, I believe they ordered 5 passenger and 5 freighter versions, Emirates has agreed to lease 2 of the passenger versions, so that leaves only 3 available to lease.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

The next upcoming orders look like this :

1. Qatar ordering a dozen B 773ERs...rumored to be at DXB Airshow next week
2. Singapore Airlines ordering many B 773ERs 20004
3. British Airways ordering many B 773ERs 2004
4. JAL and ANA ordering many B 7E7s 2004



User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

Mariner,

I think it could be either really. I remember the A320 idea was tossed around for a while, even the A321. So far nothing has happened yet, but who knows.

I think it would be smart if Frontier got the A320. They don't need many of them, but the ones they do order could be used on Frontier's higher density routes. Some of Frontier's routes which are served at 4x daily are still in very high demand and an A320 would make very much sense on those routes.

I also think there is a chance that MEA might order a couple more A321s or even A320s, and possibly a 4th A330. Who knows, we'll have to wait and see.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24631 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6907 times:
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BA:

I think the A320 is very likely, but probably not many - maybe 5?

As to MEA, how are they doing? Do they have rights to fly to the US yet - even if they don't use 'em?

What's your connection with that part of the world? I'm British, but I went to school in Jordan and Lebanon. My father worked for BOAC.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6894 times:

Mariner,

Just what I was thinking, around 5 A320s.

As for MEA, they are doing well now. They have 6 A321-200s powered by IAE V2500s and 3 A330-200s powered by Rolls Royce Trent 700s. The oldest aircraft being delivered just last February making them have the youngest fleet in the world (easy to do with only 9 aircraft).  Big grin

They are serving 21 destinations in the Middle East, Africa, and Europe. They will report a profit of $15 million at the end of the year when back in 1998, they reported a loss of $87 million.

So MEA has come a long way in such a short period of time thanks to its genius CEO who completely turned the airline around. Mohammad El-Hout is certainly one of the greatest airline CEO's despite being heavily criticised at first for his drastic actions in restructuring MEA. He laid off 1400 employees which got him lots of criticisms. He also cut MEA's destinations from 45 to 22, got rid of the 707s and overall downsized the fleet from 13 to 9 aircraft.


It's nice to know you went to school in Jordan and Lebanon! I'm Lebanese, living in the US currently in my last year of High School.

Regards

[Edited 2003-12-03 05:07:23]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

So BA you say you are finishing your last year of high school in DEN?

so am I

MUSTANGS 5A STATE CHAMPS!!

ehe

DLKAPA


User currently offlineLutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6783 times:

Back to topic.

Cathay is looking for 15 second hand B744, and has also just requested prices for more regional aircraft (either A330-300 or B777-300, or like the last time, both!)



User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6606 times:

Air France orders 7E7 to replace A340-300, and eventually the A330s.



User currently offlineTom_eddf From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

Shenzhen:

This is as likely as:

"Delta orders A330s to replace the 767s, and eventually the 777s"


User currently offlineRyder10uk From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

Britannia to order 10 7E7`s

User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

Tom,
We can all make the simple predictions SIA, JAL. ANA, BA..... I'm just making a prediciton, that few would, but has a better chance of happening then you could imagine. Especially with regards to the A340s.

Cheers


User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

Air France orders 7E7 to replace A340-300, and eventually the A330s.

Send me a little of whatever you have been smoking  Smokin cool

UTA



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User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6343 times:

Hey, it's all about "cross crew qualification" right.... 777 / 7E7. LOL

User currently offlineDazultra From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 689 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6312 times:

Thomas Cook orders a A380  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Some 717 could/sould come down the road (Turkish, Cebu Pacific, and even Star), otherwise its too late for the bird....

User currently offlineTom_eddf From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6118 times:

Shenzen, sure, but if this happened (AF to replace the long haul airbus fleet with Boeings), Chirac would probably take away all CDG slots from AF and request a name change in "Air America"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)))

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5994 times:

could see AF ordering 7E7... but to fill in the A310 area, not A330/A340

User currently offline5neoo From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5972 times:

I do not see AF buying another Boeing widebody. If they are ever to fill the void left by the retired A310s, they simply will order brand new A310s (the line is still open)


Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5970 times:

5neoo...

i assume you are joking, as AF is a large customer of Boeing's 777 and 747 lines...and plan to continue operating/ordering 777's...



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
25 5NEOO : I think you misunderstood me. I do not see them ordering a new "line" of Boeing widebody's. Am sure they will still order new 777's and maybe 747's
26 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : If they are ever to fill the void left by the retired A310s, they simply will order brand new A310s (the line is still open) Great idea, replace yest
27 CitationX : The next big splash will be launch orders for the 7E7 program. Boeing may have to get creative, however, and take back a slug of 757s and 767s in trad
28 Post contains images FlyABR : NW finallys orders 50 firm 712s and 713s and 50 options to support retirement of the oldest fleet in existence ....
29 5neoo : replace yesterdecade's technology with... yesterdecade's technology! Geez, why hasn't AF contacted you?! As much as I would like to be in the know as
30 Kl808 : I hope Philippine Airlines add more A340's or maybe A330's or A320's. I think there fleet utilization is pretty high up there. New wide body Airbus ai
31 Srbmod : My predictions for next year AirTran orders 15 additional 717-200s. Virgin USA orders 25 737-800s (with 25 options) bmi British Midland orders 4 A330-
32 Futureualpilot : I think A-bus will beat out Boeing for another year or so, until the 7e7 design reaches a more final stage, and the airlines can get a good look at ho
33 Jaws707 : Srbmod: Jetblue will certainly not be ordering the A321, even though the plane would work very well for its New York-Florida routes. They are sticking
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