MEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 17 Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4814 times:
With the new year right around the corner, im curious to know what everyone thinks the order books will look like in 2004 for Airbus and Boeing...
I see the trend continuing. Airbus has surpassed Boeing in the order books this year. The A340-500 and A340-600 seem to be selling nicely. A318/319/320/321 are looking very good as well especially for the new low cost carriers.
United777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1648 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4712 times:
Perhaps an order for the 7E7 after it is offically launched early next year.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4650 times:
Frontier Airlines will probably convert some or all of it's options to firm A319 orders.
Just a prediction.
Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
BlueJet From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 397 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4561 times:
Wasn't there talk of Aerolineas Argentineas wanting a 744?
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22711 posts, RR: 88 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4541 times:
BA:
You're almost certainly right. But - will they convert some of their firm A319 orders to A320's?
The contract allows them to do so. The contract (for the 15 aircraft) also requires that they lease an extra 3 x A319 or A320 from a third party lessor.
Jaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4526 times:
I guess that Qatar and Singapore are both planning on ordering the 773 early next year. Qatar will hopefully turn its LOI for 2 A380's into an official order. The Star Alliance order will also probobly take place early next year. I would also expect eitheer JAL or ANA to launch the 7E7 sometime next year, and a Chinese carrier to lease some A380's. There has been talk that China wants some A380's for the Olympics in 2008, and I think pretty much all the delivery slots are full until them, hence them leasing them. On that issue though when ILFC placed their order, I believe they ordered 5 passenger and 5 freighter versions, Emirates has agreed to lease 2 of the passenger versions, so that leaves only 3 available to lease.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4439 posts, RR: 43 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4396 times:
The next upcoming orders look like this :
1. Qatar ordering a dozen B 773ERs...rumored to be at DXB Airshow next week
2. Singapore Airlines ordering many B 773ERs 20004
3. British Airways ordering many B 773ERs 2004
4. JAL and ANA ordering many B 7E7s 2004
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4372 times:
Mariner,
I think it could be either really. I remember the A320 idea was tossed around for a while, even the A321. So far nothing has happened yet, but who knows.
I think it would be smart if Frontier got the A320. They don't need many of them, but the ones they do order could be used on Frontier's higher density routes. Some of Frontier's routes which are served at 4x daily are still in very high demand and an A320 would make very much sense on those routes.
I also think there is a chance that MEA might order a couple more A321s or even A320s, and possibly a 4th A330. Who knows, we'll have to wait and see.
Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4345 times:
Mariner,
Just what I was thinking, around 5 A320s.
As for MEA, they are doing well now. They have 6 A321-200s powered by IAE V2500s and 3 A330-200s powered by Rolls Royce Trent 700s. The oldest aircraft being delivered just last February making them have the youngest fleet in the world (easy to do with only 9 aircraft).
They are serving 21 destinations in the Middle East, Africa, and Europe. They will report a profit of $15 million at the end of the year when back in 1998, they reported a loss of $87 million.
So MEA has come a long way in such a short period of time thanks to its genius CEO who completely turned the airline around. Mohammad El-Hout is certainly one of the greatest airline CEO's despite being heavily criticised at first for his drastic actions in restructuring MEA. He laid off 1400 employees which got him lots of criticisms. He also cut MEA's destinations from 45 to 22, got rid of the 707s and overall downsized the fleet from 13 to 9 aircraft.
It's nice to know you went to school in Jordan and Lebanon! I'm Lebanese, living in the US currently in my last year of High School.
Regards
[Edited 2003-12-03 05:07:23]
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
Lutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 697 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4234 times:
Back to topic.
Cathay is looking for 15 second hand B744, and has also just requested prices for more regional aircraft (either A330-300 or B777-300, or like the last time, both!)
Shenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4057 times:
Air France orders 7E7 to replace A340-300, and eventually the A330s.
Shenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3924 times:
Tom,
We can all make the simple predictions SIA, JAL. ANA, BA..... I'm just making a prediciton, that few would, but has a better chance of happening then you could imagine. Especially with regards to the A340s.
Shenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3794 times:
Hey, it's all about "cross crew qualification" right.... 777 / 7E7. LOL
Tom_eddf From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 449 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3569 times:
Shenzen, sure, but if this happened (AF to replace the long haul airbus fleet with Boeings), Chirac would probably take away all CDG slots from AF and request a name change in "Air America" )))
5neoo From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3423 times:
I do not see AF buying another Boeing widebody. If they are ever to fill the void left by the retired A310s, they simply will order brand new A310s (the line is still open)
Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4657 posts, RR: 45 Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3421 times:
5neoo...
i assume you are joking, as AF is a large customer of Boeing's 777 and 747 lines...and plan to continue operating/ordering 777's...
Some see lines, others see between the lines.
25 5NEOO: I think you misunderstood me. I do not see them ordering a new "line" of Boeing widebody's. Am sure they will still order new 777's and maybe 747's
26 ConcordeBoy: If they are ever to fill the void left by the retired A310s, they simply will order brand new A310s (the line is still open) Great idea, replace yest
27 CitationX: The next big splash will be launch orders for the 7E7 program. Boeing may have to get creative, however, and take back a slug of 757s and 767s in trad
28 FlyABR: NW finallys orders 50 firm 712s and 713s and 50 options to support retirement of the oldest fleet in existence ....
29 5neoo: replace yesterdecade's technology with... yesterdecade's technology! Geez, why hasn't AF contacted you?! As much as I would like to be in the know as
30 Kl808: I hope Philippine Airlines add more A340's or maybe A330's or A320's. I think there fleet utilization is pretty high up there. New wide body Airbus ai
31 Srbmod: My predictions for next year AirTran orders 15 additional 717-200s. Virgin USA orders 25 737-800s (with 25 options) bmi British Midland orders 4 A330-
32 Futureualpilot: I think A-bus will beat out Boeing for another year or so, until the 7e7 design reaches a more final stage, and the airlines can get a good look at ho
33 Jaws707: Srbmod: Jetblue will certainly not be ordering the A321, even though the plane would work very well for its New York-Florida routes. They are sticking
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