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Who's Next After Boeing?  
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Like in terms of sales in the US, what airliner manufacturer is second place...is there one just as large I suppose is a better question.

Like lets say hypothetically "Boeing falls off the radar", who takes up the charge? Will it be some regional jet maker with a lot of investors backing them up to replace Boeing? How many decades would that take?

the edit indicates a driving point.

[Edited 2003-12-03 11:28:01]


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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

This is getting ridiculous, Boeing are fine, will be fine and this clearly uneducated speculation is getting beyond silly.

This post is not directed at the person who just started this thread, just as at the mass of stupidity over the last few days

J


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Agreed J, and not just at this particular company but the airline companies as well (of even the entire industry). Just because a company has a hiccup does not mean they are going under.


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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

I don't think it is stupidity, it is hysteria!  Laugh out loud

This is a serious inquiry, not a rampant emotional outburst like the other threads on the board, your thoughts are duely noted. I just want everybody else to know that I want to know at least the order of big aircraft companies in the USA assuming Boeing is at the top. Cuz I do not care what happens to Boeing either way at this point, I would just like the figures.




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User currently offlineLamyl_HHLCO From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

It would never happen even on Scifi Big grin

User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

Absurd... Boeing is not in a state so bad that anyone should worry already about its successor. If they cancel the 7e7 they will make me worried but until now... I think they will remain the second aircraft maker for the next 20 years without any problem, EVEN if they make a big mistake such as cancelling too many programs (I think if they cancel the 717 and the 747 it will be a mistake in the long term). And should they become the third manufacturer (cause I don't see them completely exiting the aircraft business, it just won't happen) the third is already there, but not in the USA. I think Embraer will come up. And after that it will be a Chinese maker (if the plans to revive the 728/928 jet work this is not so far in time). There is not anyone in the USA behind Boeing waiting to take its place, I am afraid. But please don't worry about boeing totally disappearing (at least not in the foreseable future)

User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

>>>This is getting ridiculous, Boeing are fine, will be fine and this clearly uneducated speculation is getting beyond silly.

>>>It would never happen even on Scif

>>>Absurd... Boeing is not in a state so bad that anyone should worry already about its successor. If they cancel the 7e7 they will make me worried but until now...

Last week in the Finacial Times a "high ranking Boeing executive" was quoted as saying "if the 7E7 fails it´s the end, and everybody knows that."

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1712 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Like lets say hypothetically "Boeing falls off the radar", who takes up the charge? Will it be some regional jet maker with a lot of investors backing them up to replace Boeing? How many decades would that take?


I see Burger King or MrDonalds taking over the top spot.... Geez this is getting....


User currently offlineBustaphil From Austria, joined Nov 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

some people really have to wake up! this topic of course goes too far and boeing will never disappear (sorry have no figures for that)! but boeing's future is very very gloomy! you have airbus overtaking boeing (boeing without a reasonable answer respectively strategy to fight back!)(yes i do know that they're wokrin on the 7E7 but they've also worked on the sc and 747x and so on); besides this is not a development that recently started but this has been going on for quite a time now! thus boeing introduced vague projects like the sc, 747x and so on...

i know i'm posting this article for the 3rd time but it clearly shows in which crisis this company is right now!

http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2260617

and please it makes no sense to show boeing related (sales) figures! look at the development of the market share (of sold civil a/cs) within the last year (just look how airbus managed to catch up!)!!!! you clearly can observe that airbus is catching up (sorry again no figures about this, but this is a fact that can't be denied!)

I don't want to be misunderstood, I'm certainly one of the biggest admirers of Boeing and it's aircrafts, but you simply have to admit or accept the fact that they've overslept a lot things and that they have quite a challenge ahead if they really want to return where they were 10 years ago!!!!!!!! and time is certainly not on their side!

cheers from austria



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

God dammit people  Pissed

I am not suggesting a Boeing downfall! Quit funneling your anger at other threads in here and answer the question!

I want to know what is the SECOND BIGGEST AIRCRAFT COMPANY THAT MAKES AIRLINERS IN THE USA, is that so bad?!

Is there one, how about that?!



[Edited 2003-12-04 07:57:30]


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User currently offlineSkip7966 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Last time I checked, Lockheed was still a company. They used to make a very nice commercial aircraft, and I'm sure they could again. What I would like to see however is Airbust go head to head with Boeing without either side having government dollars backing them.

User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1371 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

No other firm in the US manufactures jetliners. McDonnell Douglas is obviously gone, and Lockheed left the civil business after the financial disaster that was the L-1011.

Beech has produced a few small turboprop regional aircraft; I don't know if their 1900 is still in production. Cessna and Gulfstream manufacture bizjets, as do Raytheon (via Beech) and Lockheed. Learjet is owned by Bombardier, of course a Canadian firm.

Other than possibly Beech, I don't think we have any commercial airliner manufacturers other then Boeing, but there are a few bizjet firms left.

--B2707SST



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Shitso, Boeing is the only one? A lot is riding on them, we gotta give them props for hanging on all this time.

Considering the market, would is be difficult for a start-up company to take some of the burden off Boeing? Like maybe making planes that fit the 73x type or simply taking it over so Boeing can concentrate on other projects?



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User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

It would be possible if Boeing goes under that Lockheed will try to come up with a civilian aircraft, especially if the market is strong. Also maybe Cessna could start making regional jets and maybe eventually something bigger. Or maybe Beech. But the problem is that there are already foreign makers which are a lot closer.. for example Bombardier which makes CRJ regional jets, and Embraer is making bigger and bigger regional jets too. Then there is a Chinese firm which bought the rights for the 728/928 family of regional jets (I think 100/110 seats) after Dornier went down, they are going to start production in 2006 if I am not mistaken. Those foreign makers are much more likely than any American company to come up with something to counter Airbus IF ever boeing disappears.

User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2035 times:
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Raytheon.

They own Beech and produce the B1900. Not too sure who own Cessna but those would be the only Manufacturer's in the U.S.A. that I could think of. Since Fairchild/Dornier was sold to the Chinese Company I don't think there is a single company in the U.S. that could sustain production of a 100 seater other than Boeing. Please correct me if I am wrong.



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Forgive my ignorance, but how much would it take to turn a biz jet into a regional jet? They are almost the same kind of plane, small siz and capacity with considerable range -- just need to extend it to take more right?  Smile

So technically bizjet companies like Gulfstream could jump into the market except that they have the tendency to make certain types of planes, as one rep said, "if you could afford a Gulfstream, you would not care about fuel efficiency."



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Boeing made mistakes of arrogance in the same way that U.S. auto makers made them: the common thread? A sense of invincibility and a 'no-one-is-better-than-us' attitude. And guess what? Lunch got served, and these companies were their own main course. Boeing's mis-steps are numerous and well-known. From Sonic Cruiser to 'Chicago's the place we oughta be' to the 767 tanker program, Boeing is sitting only days removed from the humiliating mea culpa by its CEO. Indeed, one could EASILY argue that this Pentagon thing with the tankers was just the last straw that caused his ouster, not the only thing. Way back in the 1970s, someone placed a 'will-the-last-person-out-of-Seattle-please-turn-out-the-lights' billboard. They should put it back up again. Maybe in a few years another similar billboard in Chicago.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineBustaphil From Austria, joined Nov 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

Chris in NH

Totally agree!

I think for Boeing the competition would be too big for the 70-100 pax a/c market! Just look what happened to Fairchild Dornier and it's 728 project! Besides building an airliner which is based on a business jet (like the CRJ) can work for the >70 pax a/c market but not for the markets requiring bigger capacity.



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