Touchdown99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4750 times:
A glitch in Germanwings' IT department has resulted in the premature publication of their summer 2004 schedule - including as yet unannounced bases / routes and "dummy" rotations.
If these schedules become reality, we will see a new base at Berlin SXF where Germanwings will compete head to head with Easyjet on four routes. Ten routes are scheduled for SXF:
Berlin SXF - Paris
Berlin SXF - Athens
Berlin SXF - Nice
Berlin SXF - Barcelona
Berlin SXF - Rome
Berlin SXF - Budapest
Berlin SXF - Saloniki
Berlin SXF - Madrid
Berlin SXF - Cologne/Bonn additional flights
+ 2 unnamed destinations (judging from flight times, one is HEL)
Stuttgart - Dresden
Stuttgart - Ibiza
+ 2 unnamed destinations (judiging from flight times/Frequencies one could be Hamburg)
Cologne/Bonn has 10 new destinations, all of them unnamed. Only one is a daily service, the others are 3 or 4 times weekly. Destinations in the running according to the rumour mill are Palma, Antalya, St. Petersburg, Warszawa, Stockholm, Oslo, Alicante, Helsinki, Copenhagen. Already confirmed as a new destinations is Dublin. Frequencies to Budapest will be doubled sometime during the summer, Milan reduced to one daily flight.
Roughly calculating, Germanwings will need up to 18 aircraft to serve all these routes.
Giving it a second thought and despite the content of the website (which was quickly changed after the scoop was discussed on some German forums), I am not too cinvinced that it will really happen. It would require a massive expansion with up to 7 additional aircraft nad a massive battle with Easyjet. Maybe Germanwings will just concentrate to boost their STR und CGN bases where the new programme will require 4 aircraft alone. This would match the suggested 40% expansion for 2004. Let's wait and see.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4441 times:
although it seems unusual that a low cost carrier would enter direct competition with another LCC, that is exactly what 4U has been doing since its first days. when i remember correclty, TUI came up with HLX and Lufthansa managed to introduce 4U even before HLX.
then, HLX announced to grow at STR, again LH managed to ramp up 4U operations at STR before 4U did.
so i would not rule out 4U trying to protect the Berlin market for LH, or at least to keep pax "in-house" (well, if you can call 4U and Lufthansa "in-house").
and i don´t think it´d be a problem for 4U to get the required additional a/c. LH has still many grounded a/c and when they introduce their new concept for the european network, which will probably result in a higher a/c utilization, it will free up more a/c which could be passed on to 4U.
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
Zak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4320 times:
i am a great fan of both germanwings and hlx. they both provide uncomplicated service and operate almost excusively from and to major airports close to the city center and not like ryanair who fly to village x.
i am very pleased by this development, and i think they go in competition with easyjet at CGN anyway, who will as i have heard also set their base there.
one thing that is for sure is that germanwings and hlx are both the kind of LCC that i think will make it in the long run. decent fares, nice routes, non intrusive staff, no gimmicks like PTV's. since i fly them both on a almost monthly basis i'D say they both have very nice load factors, so expansion is something that makes very much sense.
this expansion is one of many reasons why i would be selling my ryanair stock more sooner then later.
Lj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4267 times:
Germanwings again applied for slots at Amsterdam (twice daily Zurich and twice daily Stuttgart) for Summer 2004. However they also applied for slots for the 2003-2004 winter schedule but decided not to fly to AMS
Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3707 times:
For sure I hope to see CGN-ARN.
If this expansion does happen at SXF I can see Easyjet also start to get active in Cologne. I for sure would love to see that.
I do not see such a bright future for HLX though, their network does not seem nearly as stable as does 4U's. Since their launch they stopped serving LTN (I hope Easy will sooner or later fill the gap) and BGY and soon they will stop MAD again (is that actually confirmed?) amongst others.
It seems as if they are still looking out for their position but are not successful until now.
HLX would have had the chance to position itself if they would have started getting all the business passengers from up north (Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Norway) which should run year-round rather then running after 4U which is probably now also gonna grab Scandinavia (I sure hope so...).
FinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3643 times:
It would be nice to get Germanwings here in Helsinki too, if that really is true! Nice airline and it has one of the best liveries on their aircrafts too.
Anyway, it will be tough competition on Berlin-Helsinki route. At the moment Finnair has monopoly on this particular route but from the beginning of March SK's Finnish subsidiary Blue 1 will start serving this same route on a daily basis. I don't know yet what airport they will use at Berlin but I guess it will be Tegel. Of course it is also true that LCCs and full fare-carriers doesn't actually compete on the same market segment so I believe there is room for Germanwings too on this route.