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Major Summer 2004 Expansion Ahead For Germanwings  
User currently offlineTouchdown99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

A glitch in Germanwings' IT department has resulted in the premature publication of their summer 2004 schedule - including as yet unannounced bases / routes and "dummy" rotations.

If these schedules become reality, we will see a new base at Berlin SXF where Germanwings will compete head to head with Easyjet on four routes. Ten routes are scheduled for SXF:

Berlin SXF - Paris
Berlin SXF - Athens
Berlin SXF - Nice
Berlin SXF - Barcelona
Berlin SXF - Rome
Berlin SXF - Budapest
Berlin SXF - Saloniki
Berlin SXF - Madrid
Berlin SXF - Cologne/Bonn additional flights
+ 2 unnamed destinations (judging from flight times, one is HEL)

Stuttgart - Dresden
Stuttgart - Ibiza
+ 2 unnamed destinations (judiging from flight times/Frequencies one could be Hamburg)


Cologne/Bonn has 10 new destinations, all of them unnamed. Only one is a daily service, the others are 3 or 4 times weekly. Destinations in the running according to the rumour mill are Palma, Antalya, St. Petersburg, Warszawa, Stockholm, Oslo, Alicante, Helsinki, Copenhagen. Already confirmed as a new destinations is Dublin. Frequencies to Budapest will be doubled sometime during the summer, Milan reduced to one daily flight.

Roughly calculating, Germanwings will need up to 18 aircraft to serve all these routes.

[Edited 2003-12-03 13:50:59]

29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4649 times:

SXF-NCE - Excellent ! I wanted to go to BER this winter, but only DI offer direct flights (eeuwww been on them !) - I can wait till the summer on go on Germanwings.

User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

SXF-Rome, interesting, it's in competition with Volareweb daily FCO-SXF.

Bad they will downgrading Milan to one daily flight. Last summer there were 4 CGN-Mlan (2 4U to MXP and 2 HXL to BGY). Last September HXL left BGY-CGN and now 4U will reduce to 1 daily flight.



User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Are there no German LCC operations to LIN ? I know Easyjet flies ORY and LTN to LIN - is there some kind of restriction from Germany ?

User currently offlineTouchdown99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

Germanwings would have LCC-competition on almost all routes from Berlin:

Athens: Easyjet, Gexx
Barcelona: Air Berlin, Easyjet
Nice: Easyjet
Paris: Easyjet
Rome: Air Berlin, Volareweb
Saloniki: Gexx
Madrid: None
Budapest: None

Giving it a second thought and despite the content of the website (which was quickly changed after the scoop was discussed on some German forums), I am not too cinvinced that it will really happen. It would require a massive expansion with up to 7 additional aircraft nad a massive battle with Easyjet. Maybe Germanwings will just concentrate to boost their STR und CGN bases where the new programme will require 4 aircraft alone. This would match the suggested 40% expansion for 2004. Let's wait and see.


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

although it seems unusual that a low cost carrier would enter direct competition with another LCC, that is exactly what 4U has been doing since its first days. when i remember correclty, TUI came up with HLX and Lufthansa managed to introduce 4U even before HLX.
then, HLX announced to grow at STR, again LH managed to ramp up 4U operations at STR before 4U did.
so i would not rule out 4U trying to protect the Berlin market for LH, or at least to keep pax "in-house" (well, if you can call 4U and Lufthansa "in-house").

and i don´t think it´d be a problem for 4U to get the required additional a/c. LH has still many grounded a/c and when they introduce their new concept for the european network, which will probably result in a higher a/c utilization, it will free up more a/c which could be passed on to 4U.

rgds
daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineBDRules From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 1501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

Is there nothing mentioned about EMA within these Germanwings destinations????

Regards

Stu


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

EMA wont get Germanwings whilst LH is at BHX.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Any news on new HLX routes?

Tim


User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

i am a great fan of both germanwings and hlx. they both provide uncomplicated service and operate almost excusively from and to major airports close to the city center and not like ryanair who fly to village x.
i am very pleased by this development, and i think they go in competition with easyjet at CGN anyway, who will as i have heard also set their base there.
one thing that is for sure is that germanwings and hlx are both the kind of LCC that i think will make it in the long run. decent fares, nice routes, non intrusive staff, no gimmicks like PTV's. since i fly them both on a almost monthly basis i'D say they both have very nice load factors, so expansion is something that makes very much sense.
this expansion is one of many reasons why i would be selling my ryanair stock more sooner then later.



10=2
User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

Germanwings again applied for slots at Amsterdam (twice daily Zurich and twice daily Stuttgart) for Summer 2004. However they also applied for slots for the 2003-2004 winter schedule but decided not to fly to AMS

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3961 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

@ Boieng747-400

Without double-checking, new HLX routes for the summer 2004 so far are AFAIK:

Stuttgart - Palermo
Stuttgart - Bilbao
Stuttgart - Valencia
Hanover - Palermo



User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

I heard HLX might launch Manchester-Bilbao is that true??
Are HLX pulling out of Klagenfurt and Geneva during the summer or staying there?

Tim


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3961 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

Klagenfurt is supposed to be a year round destination. Seems to be doing pretty OK as HLX has also launched flights from Stuttgart and Hanover to Klagenfurt.

Geneva reportedly has had pretty poor loads since the start in September. I wouldn't be surprised if it would be axed.


User currently offlineGeneralA From Germany, joined May 2001, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Stuttgart-Olbia is planned as well !

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

Hello

It now seems that HLX is dropping Geneva, at least for the summer.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

For sure I hope to see CGN-ARN.
If this expansion does happen at SXF I can see Easyjet also start to get active in Cologne. I for sure would love to see that.
I do not see such a bright future for HLX though, their network does not seem nearly as stable as does 4U's. Since their launch they stopped serving LTN (I hope Easy will sooner or later fill the gap) and BGY and soon they will stop MAD again (is that actually confirmed?) amongst others.
It seems as if they are still looking out for their position but are not successful until now.
HLX would have had the chance to position itself if they would have started getting all the business passengers from up north (Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Norway) which should run year-round rather then running after 4U which is probably now also gonna grab Scandinavia (I sure hope so...).

Max


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Would like to see flights to LGW.

User currently offlineFinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

It would be nice to get Germanwings here in Helsinki too, if that really is true! Nice airline and it has one of the best liveries on their aircrafts too.

Anyway, it will be tough competition on Berlin-Helsinki route. At the moment Finnair has monopoly on this particular route but from the beginning of March SK's Finnish subsidiary Blue 1 will start serving this same route on a daily basis. I don't know yet what airport they will use at Berlin but I guess it will be Tegel. Of course it is also true that LCCs and full fare-carriers doesn't actually compete on the same market segment so I believe there is room for Germanwings too on this route.

FinnWings


User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

Has there actually been any information about the planned alliance which was to be set up by Germanwings?
Wasn't there any talks to cooperate with Snowflake and bmi Baby (Star Alliance friends...)?

Max


User currently offlineD-AIFB From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Germanwings just published the new destinations ex Cologne/Bonn CGN:

From CGN to

PMI Palma de Mallorca
FAO Faro
WAW Warschau/Warsaw
ARN Stockholm
OSL Oslo
HEL Helsinki

and, that´s a little bit surprising, they´ll start service to Lufthansa´s 2nd hub:
MUC Munich


source: faktum.at and touristik aktuell


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

CGN-MUC? We already have around 16-20 services day on that route, is LH going to reduce services there or is the demand so high?

SailorOrion


User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Stuttgart - Hamburg route would make sense, although Deutsche BA opened that rout in competetion with Lufthansa some weeks ago...

And the CGN-HAM route works very well for HLX....

Hope to see Germanwings regular at HAM and not only for their maintenance visits  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Greetings
Tobi



Tobias Rose - Hamburg (HAM/EDDH) & (XFW/EDHI) - Canon EOS D60 - ICQ: 235621277 - MSN: Tobias.Rose@gmx.de
User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

It was about time that 4U released the news that they will start serving ARN.
What can I say now?!? I'm happy. Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Max


User currently offlineKl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Please airlines! Fly to Marseille, big, modern airport, 2nd biggest city in France, and almost no european flights. Why Nice? Train takes me 4 hours from Marseille........ help......


Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
25 Godbless : On their website I can not find any information about when they will launch those flights. I guess it will be with the summer schedule but as the exam
26 Godbless : I just had another look and now that Germanwings will start CGN-MUC I guess they will kill dba on that route. And sooner or later they will kill the a
27 TriStar500 : Max, I tend to agree with you regarding the DBA issue. In order to have at least a slight chance to succeed with your airline nowadays, it seems you e
28 Scf158 : I guess germanwings has no choice now that Easyjet will have a base in Berlin soon! gotta have some competition... strange, the routes are almost the
29 Godbless : I hold a booking code in my hands for a return-flight on Germanwings to Stockholm-Arlanda in april... I never thought this would ever become true! Max
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