MEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2828 times:
I highly doubt that Qatar Airways will order the 777. It doesn't make a lot of sense. An airline like Qatar Airways would not go ahead and shoot themselves in the foot with such a decision.
First of all, there is the fleet commonality issue. Why would Qatar Airways order Boeing 777 and spend the money to train its pilots when they could stick to the Airbus cockpit and reduced training costs.
Secondly, there are not that many advantages of buying the 777 compared to the A340/A330. Airbus has been proven to be more fuel efficient, range is comparable for both aircraft, cargo capacity is about even...
Finally, Qatar has been a prominent customer with Airbus, their entire fleet is comprised of Airbus aircraft! In fact, most of the Middle East has been leaning towards Airbus.
If Qatar wants to continue to prosper they should stick to their current plan, otherwise it could be troublesome for them down the road. What does everyone else think about this??
Thales007 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 36 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2813 times:
"Secondly, there are not that many advantages of buying the 777 compared to the A340/A330. Airbus has been proven to be more fuel efficient, range is comparable for both aircraft, cargo capacity is about even..."
While it may not make sense in terms of commonality, in terms of the A346 vs. 773ER, the 773ER has a slight technical edge; especially given that it has done spectacularly in testing while there are grumblings from airlines such as CX about the A346's current performance
Hard to be sure if QR will choose to go the 773ER route, but they most definitely will not be "shooting themselves in the foot with such a decision"
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2727 times:
If Qatar orders any Boeing products, I am sure the driving force will have been lobbying by the US government rather than product superiority to the existing Airbus fleet. As some of you may know, Qatar is being built up as the center of US military operations in the Gulf, receiving all the units and operations that were formerly in Saudi Arabia. As has been evident with Israel, countries receiving US military aid and investment often must take with it the "Buy American" sales pitch from the US government and its corporate clients. So to some extent, a Boeing order by Qatar would be just a return to the US on its investment in that country.
MEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 17 Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2620 times:
Many other examples can be traced to examples of U.S. foreign relations being related to aircraft orders...
Saudi Arabian first and foremost...They have not a single airbus aircraft in their fleet. They have 23 Boeing 777 aircraft and about 5 Boeing 747s. Coincidently they are also one of the biggest allies with America in the Middle East, even though America constantly puts them down as being soft on terror and they have put countless allegations on Saudi Arabia.
Another that comes to mind is of course EL AL, with an entirely Boeing fleet...Also a big partner with America.
Just to name some others....British Airways has its entire longhaul fleet Boeing...The U.S. scored some big Boeing orders with Kuwait Airways...Almost the entire Pacific Rim which has been a gold mine for Boeing, due to heavy trade dependencies with the U.S.
Kl808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1576 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
I am also a bit skeptical with regards to QR ordering the B773ER, dont get me wrong here, I know its a great aircraft, but it just doesnt seem to fit in the QR fleet. Economically that is, unless Boeing comes up with a sweetner package of some sorth.
QR is better off sticking with its A345/6.
Also on a side note this might be the time QR firms up its A380's.
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2574 times:
On a related note, when I first moved to the UAE in 1996, Abu Dhabi was crawling with executives from US aerospace manufacturers trying to get the fighter contract that was eventually awarded to the F-16. In fact, on my first flight into AUH I was seated next to a former US Navy fighter pilot who was the marketing rep for McDonnell Douglas, who was there to push the F-15. The marketing reps would often sit around for days in their hotel rooms or hang out in the pubs, waiting to get a meeting with some Sheikh or another, anyone who was deemed to have influence over the bid selection. Their companies were also required to invest in an offset program if they wanted to win any business, which meant that a certain amount of money had to be invested in the local economy before they could be on the short list for the deal. (In fact, a friend of mine was a lab technician at the high end medical clinic Lockheed bankrolled as its part of the offset program.) Far from a solely commercial endeavor, I believe there is alot of involvement in offsets by the US government and many of these deals seem to be brokered through the embassy and well-connected Washington lawyers, who were also frequent visitors to Abu Dhabi during this time frame. In the end these deals often have little to do with who is offering the best product at the best price. Just some insight into the process from a casual observer, for anyone who's interested
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2525 times:
I should have added to my story above that while this is a military example, the contracting for civil aircraft in the Gulf is likely to be very similar, as most airlines are owned by either the government or the royal family of the country in question.
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2474 times:
Don't know about QR, but EK is owned and managed by the Al-Maktoums, the royal family of Dubai, which along with Abu Dhabi is one of the 2 most important Emirates in the UAE federation. According to the CIA factbook, both the Prime Minister and the Vice President of the UAE are members of the Al-Maktoum family, so is the UAE's Minister of Defense. I don't believe EK has any shareholders who are unaffiliated with the royal family and by implication the UAE government, which is why no one can figure out how much money (if any) they really make. That said, it's a great airline, they just don't have to play by the same rules as UA, AA, etc.