Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3555 posts, RR: 30 Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2950 times:
Apparantly one of our avros was ferried to Goodyear, AZ last night. This appears to be one of the planes slated to be parked. The interesting thing is that there are no storage facilities at Goodyear. But what is there, is a TIMCO Aviation facility. TIMCO is the company that Mesaba has stupidly contracted for all heavy maintenance. However, the heavy maintenance is being done at the Lake City, FL facility, not the one on Goodyear. There is however a paint shop in Goodyear.
Chew this one up and see what it tastes like. Coincidence? I think not.
XJFA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2897 times:
The GYR facility does have heavy MX there as well as paint. http://www.timco.aero/company/facilities/goodyear.php
Just b/c lake city is supposed to do "scheduled" heavy MX don't mean that GYR can't do it too. Also on the TIMCO website, it says nothign bout contracting Line Maintenance with XJ for antyhing or that they are certified to work on Avros.
TIMCO supports Heavy Maintenance customers with Line Maintenance as part of our total maintenance support concept. Line Maintenance operations are established on a contract basis for Regular Heavy Maintenance Customers as part of yearly or multi year Scheduled Maintenance programs.
Currently, TIMCO is providing Line maintenance for 2 customers in 4 different cities:
Greensboro, NC; Mesa, AZ; Alexandria. LA.; and Oklahoma City, OK.
Just all smelly fishy to me. I wish XJ would tell NW to shove the Arvo up their @$$ and get Airubes and put them in MSP right up against NW
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3555 posts, RR: 30 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2787 times:
Might I add a few things I just found out. The a/c in question, 527 was recently in Lake City, FL for a C check. It returned to the line briefly (I saw it in it peeling paint glory the other day in MSP) and now is in Goodyear. Why would it need to go to Goodyear if it just came out of mx in FL? Also - at the facility in FL there are Mesaba mechanics. There aren't any in AZ however.
NW owns 11 Avros and leases the other 25. They then in turn, sublease them to Mesaba. Mesaba, however, is responsible for all maintenance.Only heavy checks were farmed out to TIMCO. Line and overnight mx is still done by XJ mechanics in MSP, DTW, MEM, CVG and DSM.
This gets fishier by the moment... BTW, no specific wors from the pilots who ferried the plane to AZ. Just basic info.
Aviatortj From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
Ooh I am salivating at the thought of a repainted ARJ. You can get nice and close to the planes up here at GFK and you can definitely see them in their peeling glory. If this is the case, I have my car ready for a trip to MSP or beyond. We're still pulling for you XJ pilots. Best of luck over the next few months.
MSPXJGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 150 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2613 times:
Wow, This would be great news to see an ARJ in the new paint scheme. I would absolutely love it. We'll have to think of a cool name for them. 9E pilots call their silver CRJs the silver bullet. Hmmm, any good ideas? I still have my "Save the Avros" button on my IDs. All the crews, 9E crews, and the occasional NW pilot love them. Lets root for them. How else will we do ASE. I say we take all of those ARJs and send them to larger destinations and stick those CRJs and send those things to closer destinations.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6871 posts, RR: 29 Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
AZJ, I hate to say this, but I believe there are aircraft storage facilities at GYR. I know FedEx was keeping a number of DC-10's there for MD-10 conversions. Also a quick google search came up with this.... http://www.visitingphx.com/gyrphotos.html
So knows......you probably know more than anyone, no wait, pilots are the last to know....
Found this out too:
Airport: Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN - GYR
Scheduled Time: Dep: 1:51 PM, Dec 02 Arr: 4:23 PM, Dec 02
Actual Time: Dep: 3:58 PM, Dec 02 Arr: 6:17 PM, Dec 02
Airport: Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN - GYR
Scheduled Time: Dep: 2:46 PM, Arr: Dec 03 5:23 PM, Dec 03
Actual Time: Dep: 3:05 PM, Dec 03 Arr: 5:17 PM, Dec 03
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6871 posts, RR: 29 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2400 times:
Dude, seriously I don't know. I wouldn't bet either way, cuz I'd probably lose. There are too many facts that say this thing could go either way. I'd be a little more optimistic. The 15th isn't XJ's last day, something will happen either way.
You know whats sad.......to tell you how no one trusts XJ's management in this case. Most times when an airline says they're parking an aircraft, thats simply what it means. Now for XJ, there are rampant conspiracy theories floating around everywhere. I'm sure upper management is playing the game too. This just shows how bad the lack of trust there is what the company is saying. At most normal companies, not every move is subject to second guessing an ulterior motives. Just shows how no one can believe anything that is coming from the top. If they are not telling the truth, then they should be hauled out to the street for "unethical conduct"
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3555 posts, RR: 30 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
Well, I guess I stand corrected. I was basing the no storage facility info on some folks who had been out to GYR before. At any rate - there are a lot of things that don't add up. Like PSU, I think things could go either way. The next 2 weeks will be weeks full of info regarding XJ.
And as far as Airdude66's obsession... he's an XJ manager who cannot wait to blame the impending demise on the pilot group. Like the rest of the SLT.
Airdude66 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
As a ramp agent, you obviously are not seeing the big picture. Just how long do you think XJ could survive as an all Saab fleet? This company is so top heavy, it is ridiculous and impossible for Saabs alone to support the current management style.
Airdude66 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2012 times:
I do not desire to blame anyone because I believe both parties share the blame for reaching this impass. The pilots do seem to stand in the position of being guiltless through this though....it is that type of arrogance that I resent. I do know there are many fine XJ pilots who just want this to be over and come out of this with a job....too bad they are afraid to talk to their peers.
I guess there must be a lot of Eastern stike supporters who are just proud to stand in the unemployment line knowing they brought down an airline. They sure proved a point though even though it was Lorenzo that was wrong.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6871 posts, RR: 29 Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1994 times:
Here's some more info on the subject...
Through the grapevine at work....apparently 524, 525, and 529 were not stripped down when they were flown out to GYR. Apparently safety cards, magazines, galley carts, etc were all left onboard. Also, TIMCO employees were told that these aircraft were to remain there for 60 days.
Also, today is the 4th, weren't a round of negotiations set to close today....
Before Thanksgiving I was up in ATW for an interview......I met some XJ's pilots who were up there interviewing for AirWhisky up there. I guess they are to be going in training soon for XJ and attended a strike rally, thinking it was just a normal ALPA union meeting and were threated by union reps that if they attended training or anything during the strike they would have the tires on their car slashed. Talking to them, I wasn't too sure about how much they knew about the industry though. They were clueless about many common topics, there was a guy with they from ALG and the XJ guys had no idea that they are going down the crapper too, and had no idea about the whole ACA story. However, their claim was....yeah XJ is gonna go on strike, and keep the ARJ's, and get new jets in the future. Somehow I think they might be a little to optimistic and not understanding the big picture.
25 PSU.DTW.SCE: Also.... are 524, 525, and 527 owned or leased aircraft? I find it odd that they would park some of the newer ARJ's from late 1999 instead of the olde
26 FutureCEO: When I got into work today they were talking about an ARJ that was being sent to be scraped. Apparently they ferried it there through OKC. Very intere
27 Siuust: I saw 7527 (N527XJ) leave for GYR Tuesday night. I did not work tonight, but I did see 7524 (N524XJ) Tuesday night going to LSE.
28 XJFA: Just flew a/c 502 today and it was heading to YUL for the overnight. We stitched to 501 aka Sparky back to CVG tonight. I would think if they would pa
29 Northwestair: I agree 501 is a crap plane. There was something wrong with it everytime it came to OKC.
30 Aviatortj: What gives sending the 1999's to the desert? Why not the 1997's? Do these ones have more cycles on them? I just saw 7524 at MSP last week. I am still