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Mesaba Avro In Goodyear, AZ  
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4030 posts, RR: 27
Posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Apparantly one of our avros was ferried to Goodyear, AZ last night. This appears to be one of the planes slated to be parked. The interesting thing is that there are no storage facilities at Goodyear. But what is there, is a TIMCO Aviation facility. TIMCO is the company that Mesaba has stupidly contracted for all heavy maintenance. However, the heavy maintenance is being done at the Lake City, FL facility, not the one on Goodyear. There is however a paint shop in Goodyear.

Chew this one up and see what it tastes like. Coincidence? I think not.


AZJ

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User currently offlineXJFA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

The GYR facility does have heavy MX there as well as paint. http://www.timco.aero/company/facilities/goodyear.php
Just b/c lake city is supposed to do "scheduled" heavy MX don't mean that GYR can't do it too. Also on the TIMCO website, it says nothign bout contracting Line Maintenance with XJ for antyhing or that they are certified to work on Avros.
TIMCO supports Heavy Maintenance customers with Line Maintenance as part of our total maintenance support concept. Line Maintenance operations are established on a contract basis for Regular Heavy Maintenance Customers as part of yearly or multi year Scheduled Maintenance programs.

Currently, TIMCO is providing Line maintenance for 2 customers in 4 different cities:
Greensboro, NC; Mesa, AZ; Alexandria. LA.; and Oklahoma City, OK.
Just all smelly fishy to me. I wish XJ would tell NW to shove the Arvo up their @$$ and get Airubes and put them in MSP right up against NW


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

I thought NW's owned the aircraft and Mesaba was only leasing them?


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 853 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

no NW leases them then subleases to mesaba, they are consideringreturing them to the lessor, that is the whole talk of NW getting rid of them


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

For more info try:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1286805/

or

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1264069/


How soon til we see one of the Arvo's in the new livery.......probably on about, oh say the 15th....

The decision has been made, I assume it was XJ crews who ferried in there, and I'm sure they have an idea what is going on. At least the GYR folks would have to.


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4030 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

Might I add a few things I just found out. The a/c in question, 527 was recently in Lake City, FL for a C check. It returned to the line briefly (I saw it in it peeling paint glory the other day in MSP) and now is in Goodyear. Why would it need to go to Goodyear if it just came out of mx in FL? Also - at the facility in FL there are Mesaba mechanics. There aren't any in AZ however.

NW owns 11 Avros and leases the other 25. They then in turn, sublease them to Mesaba. Mesaba, however, is responsible for all maintenance.Only heavy checks were farmed out to TIMCO. Line and overnight mx is still done by XJ mechanics in MSP, DTW, MEM, CVG and DSM.

This gets fishier by the moment... BTW, no specific wors from the pilots who ferried the plane to AZ. Just basic info.


AZJ


User currently offlineAviatortj From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

Ooh I am salivating at the thought of a repainted ARJ. You can get nice and close to the planes up here at GFK and you can definitely see them in their peeling glory. If this is the case, I have my car ready for a trip to MSP or beyond. We're still pulling for you XJ pilots. Best of luck over the next few months.

-TJ


User currently offlineMSPXJGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

Wow, This would be great news to see an ARJ in the new paint scheme. I would absolutely love it. We'll have to think of a cool name for them. 9E pilots call their silver CRJs the silver bullet. Hmmm, any good ideas? I still have my "Save the Avros" button on my IDs. All the crews, 9E crews, and the occasional NW pilot love them. Lets root for them. How else will we do ASE. I say we take all of those ARJs and send them to larger destinations and stick those CRJs and send those things to closer destinations.



User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

AZJ, I hate to say this, but I believe there are aircraft storage facilities at GYR. I know FedEx was keeping a number of DC-10's there for MD-10 conversions. Also a quick google search came up with this....
http://www.visitingphx.com/gyrphotos.html

So knows......you probably know more than anyone, no wait, pilots are the last to know....

Found this out too:
Yesterday:
Mesaba 3690
Airport: Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN - GYR
Scheduled Time: Dep: 1:51 PM, Dec 02 Arr: 4:23 PM, Dec 02
Actual Time: Dep: 3:58 PM, Dec 02 Arr: 6:17 PM, Dec 02
Status: Landed
Equipment: RJ85


Today:
Mesaba 3690
Airport: Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN - GYR
Scheduled Time: Dep: 2:46 PM, Arr: Dec 03 5:23 PM, Dec 03
Actual Time: Dep: 3:05 PM, Dec 03 Arr: 5:17 PM, Dec 03
Status: Landed
Equipment: RJ85

That makes two out there......


User currently offlineImisspiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6343 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

"The interesting thing is that there are no storage facilities at Goodyear."

OooooK, Then the 150 or so aircraft on site are for what? Oh yeah, GYR is a major storage field and has been for years. Since I was but a small tyke and before.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Sounds like a CONSPIRACY to me.  Nuts

User currently offlineAirdude66 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

PSU

I bet you dollars to donuts that the 15th is the first of XJ's last days.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Dude, seriously I don't know. I wouldn't bet either way, cuz I'd probably lose. There are too many facts that say this thing could go either way. I'd be a little more optimistic. The 15th isn't XJ's last day, something will happen either way.

You know whats sad.......to tell you how no one trusts XJ's management in this case. Most times when an airline says they're parking an aircraft, thats simply what it means. Now for XJ, there are rampant conspiracy theories floating around everywhere. I'm sure upper management is playing the game too. This just shows how bad the lack of trust there is what the company is saying. At most normal companies, not every move is subject to second guessing an ulterior motives. Just shows how no one can believe anything that is coming from the top. If they are not telling the truth, then they should be hauled out to the street for "unethical conduct"


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
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I bet you dollars to donuts that the 15th is the first of XJ's last days.

What is your obsession with the end of XJ?



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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4030 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Well, I guess I stand corrected. I was basing the no storage facility info on some folks who had been out to GYR before. At any rate - there are a lot of things that don't add up. Like PSU, I think things could go either way. The next 2 weeks will be weeks full of info regarding XJ.

And as far as Airdude66's obsession... he's an XJ manager who cannot wait to blame the impending demise on the pilot group. Like the rest of the SLT.


AZJ


User currently offlineBOAC707 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

If there is no storage at GYR...is this just rush hour???


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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12284 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3062 times:
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BOAC707, yeah, it's the Friday afternoon dinner rush  Smile LOL  Smile


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User currently offlineAirdude66 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Acid..

As a ramp agent, you obviously are not seeing the big picture. Just how long do you think XJ could survive as an all Saab fleet? This company is so top heavy, it is ridiculous and impossible for Saabs alone to support the current management style.


User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Anyone know the registration of the second ARJ sent to GYR?

pilottim747



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User currently offlineFavre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

There is 3 avro's in gyr today.........


BAE 146 ARJ CV-580 YS-11 SH360 DASH8 SAAB340 EMB 120-135-145-175 DC9/10/30/40/50 MD80/90 DC10 717 727 737 747 757 767 77
User currently offlineFavre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

7524/7525/7527 all in gyr ----------


BAE 146 ARJ CV-580 YS-11 SH360 DASH8 SAAB340 EMB 120-135-145-175 DC9/10/30/40/50 MD80/90 DC10 717 727 737 747 757 767 77
User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

For those of you who have not seen the previous discussions on this subject, here is why you are seeing the birds at Goodyear:

"Mesaba and Northwest have also agreed to remove five of the RJ85 regional jets from service. Three of the RJ85 are expected to be removed from service during December 2003 and two in January 2004."



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

So that's where DL moved their old DFW mainline ops!  Smile  Smile  Smile


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User currently offlineAirdude66 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

AZ

I do not desire to blame anyone because I believe both parties share the blame for reaching this impass. The pilots do seem to stand in the position of being guiltless through this though....it is that type of arrogance that I resent. I do know there are many fine XJ pilots who just want this to be over and come out of this with a job....too bad they are afraid to talk to their peers.

I guess there must be a lot of Eastern stike supporters who are just proud to stand in the unemployment line knowing they brought down an airline. They sure proved a point though even though it was Lorenzo that was wrong.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Here's some more info on the subject...

Through the grapevine at work....apparently 524, 525, and 529 were not stripped down when they were flown out to GYR. Apparently safety cards, magazines, galley carts, etc were all left onboard. Also, TIMCO employees were told that these aircraft were to remain there for 60 days.

Who knows....

Also, today is the 4th, weren't a round of negotiations set to close today....

Before Thanksgiving I was up in ATW for an interview......I met some XJ's pilots who were up there interviewing for AirWhisky up there. I guess they are to be going in training soon for XJ and attended a strike rally, thinking it was just a normal ALPA union meeting and were threated by union reps that if they attended training or anything during the strike they would have the tires on their car slashed. Talking to them, I wasn't too sure about how much they knew about the industry though. They were clueless about many common topics, there was a guy with they from ALG and the XJ guys had no idea that they are going down the crapper too, and had no idea about the whole ACA story. However, their claim was....yeah XJ is gonna go on strike, and keep the ARJ's, and get new jets in the future. Somehow I think they might be a little to optimistic and not understanding the big picture.


25 PSU.DTW.SCE : Also.... are 524, 525, and 527 owned or leased aircraft? I find it odd that they would park some of the newer ARJ's from late 1999 instead of the olde
26 FutureCEO : When I got into work today they were talking about an ARJ that was being sent to be scraped. Apparently they ferried it there through OKC. Very intere
27 Siuust : I saw 7527 (N527XJ) leave for GYR Tuesday night. I did not work tonight, but I did see 7524 (N524XJ) Tuesday night going to LSE.
28 XJFA : Just flew a/c 502 today and it was heading to YUL for the overnight. We stitched to 501 aka Sparky back to CVG tonight. I would think if they would pa
29 Northwestair : I agree 501 is a crap plane. There was something wrong with it everytime it came to OKC.
30 Post contains images Aviatortj : What gives sending the 1999's to the desert? Why not the 1997's? Do these ones have more cycles on them? I just saw 7524 at MSP last week. I am still
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