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Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome  
User currently offlineSVG From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 284 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

News Release:

http://www.ryanair.com/press/2003/dec/rte-en-041203.html

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User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 955 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

I'm speechless! Gerona airport is becoming a very busy airport... of ryanair traffic! But still no routes to Scandinavia, quite a expensive destination from Spain.


Miquel.
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

The title of this thread is very misleading, Girona is now where near Barcelona at all. Obviously no blame to the starter of the topic, afterall we are talking about Ryanair here.

The last paragraph of the article of wich a link is provided in the starter post really put a big smile on my face.

'To celebrate the launch of our 2 new bases and a total of 20 new daily routes, ryanair is holding the mother of all januari Seats Sales*- WE PAY YOUR TAXES! 1 million seats available'

What a joker you are O'Leary and... WE PAY YOUR TAXES, hopefully the European commision can make an end to this illegal practices.



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User currently offlineTurbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Eeeh... I agree:

Girona is not near Barcelona at all... It is 100 kms away. No blame though on SVG, who posts what Ryanair calls "Barcelona Girona Airport". Well, at least, as far as I know, if you wish to go to Barcelona after a flight to Girona on RYR, they have a free bus service.

As for the "illegal practices" on tax payment, let me tell you that: the taxes they pay for you are the airport ones, and those are not "taxes" of the impositive kind, that go to the Ministry of Economy. It is "airport service".
Nevertheless, if you, having a business, must pay a tax, provided it is the amount demanded and with your fiscal identification number, anybody can pay any kind of taxes on behalf of you.

Enjoy turbulences!!!


User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

Airport locations.... well, there are many airports which are called in misleading ways or which are very far from the cities they supposedly serve. As an example in my country, MXP Malpensa is not anywhere near Milan even if it is quite well connected now they have the train... and Orio al Serio is actually the airport of Bergamo, a city close to Milan (about 50 km or so) but which is a provincial capital in its own right. Yet it is in my opinion even less convenient than MXP as it is not well connected.. yet now most airlines call it "Milan".. Also in Japan calling NRT "Tokyo" is a joke...

User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Also in Japan calling NRT "Tokyo" is a joke...

I've been in Tokyo last week and yes, NRT is far, but if you consider how large is the Tokyo metropolitan area, so, it's not so far. At least is not in the middle of nowhere Big grin


User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

True (even if there's not much around Narita), and Haneda was much much closer to Tokyo than Narita. I would guess NRT is farther away from Tokyo (for example from Ueno or Shinjuku) than Gerona is from the center of Barcelona. I was in both places, the difference is that I drove from Gerona to Barcelona while I took the Narita Express from NRT to Tokyo, and Japanese trains are really fast.

User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Shinjuko-NRT is 80 minutes by train.

Last Monday (it was bank holiday, so less traffic) from Shinjuku (Keio Plaza) to NRT terminal 2, it took by car just 70 minutes.


User currently offlineAirJamPanAm From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

That bus from Girona to Barcelona is by NO MEANS FREE!!!!!!


Suing is the new Lotto... if u wanna win u gotta sue!
User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Airblue thanks for the info. I really did not imagine it could be this fast by car, even considered the speed limits.. (which anyway not everybody respects). Let's see, from Girona to BCN it took me two hours, but it does not count because there had been a terrible accident in the highway so I went at less than 50kph hald of the time..

User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 955 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Girona (Airport) to Barcelona, is about 90 Km's and by the highway takes about 45 min. by car. (In Spain also not everybody respects the speed limits)


Miquel.
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

How can you call airport 90 km from Barcelona "Barcelona"? That is disgusting.

User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

LoL 90 km in 45 minutes means a 180 kmh average! For the metrically challenged Americans that is more than 110mph :P While I have driven at that speed (ummh, and more) keeping that average would be difficult and besides if I had driven like that while in vacation with my girlfriend I would have become single as soon as we had arrived in Barcelona!

Danny: true it is a stretch calling it "Barcelona airport" but in the world there are many airports which are that far and even more distant than that from the cities they are named after. And most of that is not Ryan air's fault (again, NRT comes to mind)


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2396 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

I would personally always prefer Orio al Serio over Malpensa because in Orio you have very short ways from the bus station to check-in and then to the aircraft and back while Malpensa is always quite messy and there are very long ways.


Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1626 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Trying to get a bus from central Barcelona to Girona is a nightmare! - not helped by a part of Barcelona City being called Girona as well!

I was in Barcelona 6 weeks ago, I flew easyJet, and paid 15 Euro's for a taxi to the city centre, some friends flew Ryan to Girona, and paid 100 Euro's.

With all the hassle and time involved, I'd fly Easy/BA on this route to BCN any day of the week over Ryan through Girona.

Ironically, the easyJet flight was also worked out cheaper than Ryan and BA on that particular day as well.

Rich.


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Typical Ryan Air...

Cheap Fare.... 100 km or so from city... The taxi fare will have made you think twice, and paid a little extra to have flown on BA, or IB!

Hopefully, Ryanair will be confronted on this issue as they were confronted when the far off and distant Hahn was brought into play!

The Ryan-Airization and Virgin-ization needs to stop! Blah..Blah... same rubbish every week! Ryan starts three new routes and drops five others.. British Airways adds a route to the U.S. and Vigin Atlantic and baby Branson go and cry to mummy... "it isnt fair".... do get over it!


LHR001


User currently offlineManairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

And of course Stansted, Luton and Gatwick are nowhere near London!

User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

Gamarocchi - brutal math! Driving 180km/h for 45 minutes is 135 km, not 90 km. Thus, you would only have to drive 120 km/h to travel 90km. Much more reasonable!

"How can you call airport 90 km from Barcelona "Barcelona"? That is disgusting."

Danny - there are many disgusting things in this world. Misleading advertisement is hardly one of them. Calm down, or you'll get an ulcer!




buhh bye
User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Lymanm: I should not be allowed to write anything about any issue at the end of a work day :P!! My mind was fixed on half a hour....! 135 kph is not really fast actually

User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Thomas: true that in Orio the bus station is closer, and the airport is smaller and less messy, but, if you have to go to downtown Milan in a work day, the bus is extremely unreliable, as it can get stuck in traffic (which is TERRIBLE on the thruways around Milan). In Malpensa there is a train which goes into the city from the terminal.

User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2396 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

@gamarocchi: Yep, this is true of course. When doing planespotting I always prefer big airports of course, when travelling I really like smaller airports, less hassle.

Has anybody ever thought about the tourist resorts which are very close to Girona, it's not just Barcelona, personally I think it was a very wise decision to go for Girona and Rome as new bases. Barcelona and the tourist resorts at the coast near Girona are very popular at the moment and all Girona routes Ryanair has started so far did work very well from what I know. Rome Ciampino is not too far away from the way from the city, similar situation like in Milan, traffic links to Fiumicino are better but Ciampino is smaller, don't know how messy Fiumicino and Ciampino are since I have never been there, Malpensa definately is messy  Wink/being sarcastic. Given the location of the airport they will also be able to attract business travellers in Rome which is again very popular with all routes Ryan is operating there working quite well.

I think that those two bases make much more sense than Skavsta for example which is a typical "in the middle of nowhere" airport, however Ryanair was able to establish Hahn and Charleroi, so maybe with the new routes they might even be able to make Skavsta work for them.



Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

Thomas, FCO is messier than MXP. You know there is another aiport in Milan (LIN) which is the *real* airport of the city, meaning that it's the closest. On the other hand in Rome almost all the flights were from FCO while CIA was just used by private aircrafts, the President of the Republic, and the Pope. I think (but I may be wrong) that before Ryanair, no airline had used Ciampino in a long time. So probably it's even quieter than Orio al Serio!

User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

I hate to turn this into a Ryanair vs. Easyjet post, but quite frankly, having flown both and experienced the increadibly unhelpful and unwavering service on Ryanair, along with it's screwed up idea of what airports serve what city, Easyjet is by far the easier and less stressful option.

Easyjet from Barcelona is a thousand times easier and less hassle than Ryanair from Girona. And I've always flown Easyjet at a very competitive (note. cheaper, incl. cost of transport to the airport) price when compared to Ryanair. How Ryan gets away with such appalling service standards is beyond me. I suspect one day they'll pay the price themselves.


User currently offlineTurbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

u>PanAm,
Sorry to learn the bus is not free, it used to...

As someone has already written, 90 kms in 45 mins is 120 km/h, not 180.

Last, if you know that Girona is 100 (OK, 90...) kms far from Barcelona, the last thing you do is... take a taxi!!! THEY ARE EXPENSIVE!!! Therefore there are busses...

Enjoy turbulences!!!


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Thomas, you are right, Gerona (sorry folks, I'm an old Spaniard  Smile/happy/getting dizzy) is the biggest airport for those tourist areas at the Costa Brava. However, it's mostly low yield tourism (look at Lloret de Mar). There are not many flights to Gerona. Add to that, that Ryanair markets this as Barcelona. I wonder, why they don't market this as "Costa Brava Airport" or something like that.

BTW, I would love to have a ZRH-GRO connection ....

Cheers
Gerardo

EDIT: Gerona-Barcelona in 45 Minutes? Hmmm, our taxi had from Lloret de Mar to Barcelona (more or less the same distance) about 2 hrs!!!!! Don't forget, you're not alone on Barcelona's street, specially during rush hour  Wink/being sarcastic

2nd EDIT: even the train needs more time. The shortest connection I found from Gerona to Barcelona is 1:15 hrs. Add to that the time you need from Gerona airport to the railway station in the city center.

[Edited 2003-12-05 15:07:39]


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

The first Go Fly flight was from STN to CIA.

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