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Is Alaska Airlines Going To Merge With American?  
User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1277 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

I have a bad feeling that American Airlines is interested in buying Alaska Airlines! They do codesharing flights now. AA had Codesharing flights with all airlines before buying them out (PSA, Reno Air, TWA, Midway etc.).
Even the fleet of MD-80`s and B-737 would fit in the AA fleet and the Network would fit as well. I do hate the thought about AA taking over AS as AS is a very fine airline and should not be merging with (stupid) AA !
Hated to see my favorite QQ and TW disappear:"AA leave AS alone!"



Fly easyJet
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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

Considering AA's experience with the TWA merger It will be a cold day in hell before a merger with Alaska happens. Besides, it's not like AA has the money right now. AA has codesharing with Hawaiian, does this mean they are getting ready to buy them?


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

For the record, AA did not buy Midway out. Midway went out of business.

And as far as AA buying AS....you're joking right? Not going to happen.


Stephen/New Orleans


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

Given that AA's current financial condition is one step (or maybe two) ahead of Ch. 11, I don't see how they could even contemplate such a merger at this time, since there are many costs associated with such a transaction.

Like UA/US, I would reasonable expect the current code-sharing relationship to continue as-is for the foreseeable future.



User currently offlineFrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

AS has their niche and they have it going well. This rumor has been out there for quite some time.

As far as I know, AA doesn't have the financial resources for such a move. I don't think the AS stockholders would be too thrilled with the idea either.



User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7784 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6557 times:

Alaska is a codeshare whore. They currently have codeshare agreements with AA, NW, CO and probably a few others I am forgetting. So a codehsare agreement is not a prelude to a buyout.


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6524 times:
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AA didn't buy PSA either, USAir did. And AS codeshares with NW as well. I think you need to look a little more closely at AA financial shape. I don't think any airlines are going to merge anytime soon.


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User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

AS also has a big code share deal with NW and CO. Probably soon to be with DL as well. So it is cheaper for a code share deal rather than a merger. Plus who can afford to buy anyone anytime soon? I think your AS with stay just that AS. I have flown them as well from PHX to PVR. What a great airline.

Happy Flying  Smile



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User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

This speculation has been going on for about 5 years now, I highly doubt that AA is interested in merging with anyone, or buying anything right now...

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8309 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

You have bad feeling that they want to....so you posted about it almost like it was fact? American probably has ZERO interest in Alaska. Moving on......


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User currently offlineFedExHeavy From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

PSA was bought and dismantled by USAir. As far as mergers are concerned I don't see it, AA has less than a stunning financial situation right now and mergers create problems with unions and trying to interstate Alaska's people in with AA if they choose to do so and American simply does have the money to do this. So I wouldn't worry, expect the Eskimo on the tail to continue flying high for a long time, go AS!
Have a nice day Smile/happy/getting dizzy
FedExHeavy



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

This is a rumor that will not die. I remember once in 1987 - PRIOR to the AirCal buyout, the news was all over SeaTac that Bob Crandall would be in town the next day for an "important" announcement. Of course we all "knew" that it was to announce the purchase of AS.

I learned a long time ago to never say never in this industry, but bottom line, as others have said, AA is in no financial shape to buy another carrier. Add to that, two failed attempts to build a North South presence on the west coast, there recent draw down of SEA service, and I just don't see it happening.

Rgds
Duane



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6321 times:

Hey, AA codeshares with BA, Gulf Air, and LanChile too -- maybe they'll buy them out as well! After all, AA is just flush with cash at the moment.

Also, AA did not codeshare with TWA before it bought them out. It kept TWA running for a while after the buyout, but that's it. Like Flyguyclt said, it is cheaper to codeshare than to merge or acquire, that's why airlines do it. Codesharing is almost always used as a substitute for mergers, not a precursor.

Everyone else also brought up the most valid point, however -- there is no way in hell AA could get the financing to buy Alaska, US Airways, JetBlue, AirTran, Joe's Crop Dusting Service or any other airline that's been rumored on this board. It simply won't happen anytime in the near future.




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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6299 times:

How about NWA taking a share in Alaska ? they do a lot of code sharing with them & use them as a feeder for flights out of SEA.

Cash reserves seem to be relative healthy & traffic is assured by partners Co and KLM. Probably DL and AF coming in soon.

It would strenghten their presence in the NorthWest and put pressure to the south on their old "friends" UAL at LAX and SFO.


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6223 times:

I wonder how well that would go over in Alaska


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User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6143 times:

AA bought AirCal, and I don't think there is much left of their route structure at AA. They bought Reno Air, and there isn't anything left of that route structure now, and they are now chopping TWA's route structure out of their system. Can't imagine that they would want AS, since they run essentially the same routes (albeit not as broad) as what AirCal and Reno Air did.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

Yeah, Codeshare Whore is an apt way to describe Alaska Airlines.

This rumor has been off again on again for at least 20 if not 25 years already.

If AA was going to make a move on AS they are sure taking their time about it.



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User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

Simply put, why buy the cow when you can get the mild for a code share agreement? Buying AS, beyond being financially impossible, would reek havoc on seniority lists - and ignite labor disputes that would cause serious damage to AA. AA has ZERO intent to buy AS anytime soon.


See you up front!
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

Add to all this one point: Mergers happen in great secrecy. In nearly forty years observing I have never seen ONE predicted correctly by anybody. If you heard about it - it is not going to happen.

Lots of people have correctly AFTcast them. POSTdicted them. Never heard anybody forecast or predict one.

On a personal note, if there is one airline I would like to see survive as-is it would be AS.



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User currently offlineAAnalyst From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5872 times:

Lets not forget that AA codeshares with Asiana (OZ) and EVA (BR). We've been looking for a way to start flying into the Pacific Rim. You never know, we might just buy both of them, and become one of the largest carriers in Southeast Asia!


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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5857 times:

like i say...

"When Hell freezes over, we'll ride there too!"

in this case...

"When Hell freezes over, AA will buy AS too!"




CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

How about someone buy AA and dismantle them a bit? Just kiddin', who'd waste the time!

User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5749 times:

AA also codeshares with Cathay Pacific and Japan Airlines. Is an acquisition forthcoming???!!!  Big grin

User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1710 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

One can't rule anything out. If Alaska and American feel they can compete better as an single entity, why not. It really costs American zero cash if they merge and replace Alaska's stock (say 20 percent premium) with American.

Just get shareholder approval and print new stock certificates. Down the road, take a goodwill right off for the 20 percent premium.


User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1277 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

I know that NW, DL, HA is codesharing with Alaska Airlines as well, but almost everytime AA was codesharing with another northamerican company (QQ,CP,TW,AirCal etc,) they were later taking them over. I didn`t say about foreign carriers.

Patrick



Fly easyJet
25 Ord : Even if AA bought AS, which will not happen, there is no way the government would approve the merger. They didn't approve the UA/US merger because Uni
26 Aaway : AS's management has been zealous in remaining outside of any merger frenzy. The AA-AS rumors go back to the late 80s. It would be a nice addition for
27 L-188 : I am trying to think back, but I don't think Alaska has bought anybody out since the 80's when they aquired, shoot can't remember the name, but that c
28 Post contains links and images Tom in NO : L-188: The airline that AS bought out in the late 80's was Jet America, based in Long Beach. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bill Sheridan Tom at M
29 Bobnwa : Delta777Jet, The facts you list are almost all wrong. AA did not buy Midway AA did not buy PSA AA did not codeshare with TWA. Please re-examine the ri
30 AS739X : Good God, not this one again! Its not going to happen, no one is buying Alaska. Let all move on to a new subject! ASSFO
31 Luv2fly : I think it was shortly after TWA sold AA the LHR slots or because of it, that you were able to earn miles on TWA flights with you AAdvantage number an
32 WorldTraveler : There are only two strategic pieces needed to complete AA - a NRT hub (unless they can build a west coast gateway capable of supporting nonstop servic
33 Alexinwa : If AS should merge with anyone, It should be CO!!! Think of the over-night west coast operation they would have!! Fleets are almost identical. (except
34 A330_DTW : AS might join SkyTeam with its other partners, NW, KL and CO.
35 SHUPirate1 : In my humble opinion, my suggested contingency plan for Star Alliance in case United goes Chapter 7 is for both America West and Alaska to replace UA.
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