Delta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1131 posts, RR: 3 Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4502 times:
I have a bad feeling that American Airlines is interested in buying Alaska Airlines! They do codesharing flights now. AA had Codesharing flights with all airlines before buying them out (PSA, Reno Air, TWA, Midway etc.).
Even the fleet of MD-80`s and B-737 would fit in the AA fleet and the Network would fit as well. I do hate the thought about AA taking over AS as AS is a very fine airline and should not be merging with (stupid) AA !
Hated to see my favorite QQ and TW disappear:"AA leave AS alone!"
LMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4453 times:
Considering AA's experience with the TWA merger It will be a cold day in hell before a merger with Alaska happens. Besides, it's not like AA has the money right now. AA has codesharing with Hawaiian, does this mean they are getting ready to buy them?
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4450 times:
For the record, AA did not buy Midway out. Midway went out of business.
And as far as AA buying AS....you're joking right? Not going to happen.
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4431 times:
Given that AA's current financial condition is one step (or maybe two) ahead of Ch. 11, I don't see how they could even contemplate such a merger at this time, since there are many costs associated with such a transaction.
Like UA/US, I would reasonable expect the current code-sharing relationship to continue as-is for the foreseeable future.
Frntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4414 times:
AS has their niche and they have it going well. This rumor has been out there for quite some time.
As far as I know, AA doesn't have the financial resources for such a move. I don't think the AS stockholders would be too thrilled with the idea either.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7673 posts, RR: 18 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4408 times:
Alaska is a codeshare whore. They currently have codeshare agreements with AA, NW, CO and probably a few others I am forgetting. So a codehsare agreement is not a prelude to a buyout.
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Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4375 times:
AA didn't buy PSA either, USAir did. And AS codeshares with NW as well. I think you need to look a little more closely at AA financial shape. I don't think any airlines are going to merge anytime soon.
Flyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4364 times:
AS also has a big code share deal with NW and CO. Probably soon to be with DL as well. So it is cheaper for a code share deal rather than a merger. Plus who can afford to buy anyone anytime soon? I think your AS with stay just that AS. I have flown them as well from PHX to PVR. What a great airline.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7991 posts, RR: 27 Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4320 times:
You have bad feeling that they want to....so you posted about it almost like it was fact? American probably has ZERO interest in Alaska. Moving on......
FedExHeavy From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 226 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4299 times:
PSA was bought and dismantled by USAir. As far as mergers are concerned I don't see it, AA has less than a stunning financial situation right now and mergers create problems with unions and trying to interstate Alaska's people in with AA if they choose to do so and American simply does have the money to do this. So I wouldn't worry, expect the Eskimo on the tail to continue flying high for a long time, go AS!
Have a nice day
FedExHeavy
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4289 times:
This is a rumor that will not die. I remember once in 1987 - PRIOR to the AirCal buyout, the news was all over SeaTac that Bob Crandall would be in town the next day for an "important" announcement. Of course we all "knew" that it was to announce the purchase of AS.
I learned a long time ago to never say never in this industry, but bottom line, as others have said, AA is in no financial shape to buy another carrier. Add to that, two failed attempts to build a North South presence on the west coast, there recent draw down of SEA service, and I just don't see it happening.
Rgds
Duane
"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4172 times:
Hey, AA codeshares with BA, Gulf Air, and LanChile too -- maybe they'll buy them out as well! After all, AA is just flush with cash at the moment.
Also, AA did not codeshare with TWA before it bought them out. It kept TWA running for a while after the buyout, but that's it. Like Flyguyclt said, it is cheaper to codeshare than to merge or acquire, that's why airlines do it. Codesharing is almost always used as a substitute for mergers, not a precursor.
Everyone else also brought up the most valid point, however -- there is no way in hell AA could get the financing to buy Alaska, US Airways, JetBlue, AirTran, Joe's Crop Dusting Service or any other airline that's been rumored on this board. It simply won't happen anytime in the near future.
Jeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1335 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4074 times:
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3994 times:
AA bought AirCal, and I don't think there is much left of their route structure at AA. They bought Reno Air, and there isn't anything left of that route structure now, and they are now chopping TWA's route structure out of their system. Can't imagine that they would want AS, since they run essentially the same routes (albeit not as broad) as what AirCal and Reno Air did.
AA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3978 times:
Simply put, why buy the cow when you can get the mild for a code share agreement? Buying AS, beyond being financially impossible, would reek havoc on seniority lists - and ignite labor disputes that would cause serious damage to AA. AA has ZERO intent to buy AS anytime soon.
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 71 Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3821 times:
Add to all this one point: Mergers happen in great secrecy. In nearly forty years observing I have never seen ONE predicted correctly by anybody. If you heard about it - it is not going to happen.
Lots of people have correctly AFTcast them. POSTdicted them. Never heard anybody forecast or predict one.
On a personal note, if there is one airline I would like to see survive as-is it would be AS.
Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
AAnalyst From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3723 times:
Lets not forget that AA codeshares with Asiana (OZ) and EVA (BR). We've been looking for a way to start flying into the Pacific Rim. You never know, we might just buy both of them, and become one of the largest carriers in Southeast Asia!
Knowledge is Power. Power Corrupts. - Study Hard, Be Evil
SprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3638 times:
How about someone buy AA and dismantle them a bit? Just kiddin', who'd waste the time!
Shenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3530 times:
One can't rule anything out. If Alaska and American feel they can compete better as an single entity, why not. It really costs American zero cash if they merge and replace Alaska's stock (say 20 percent premium) with American.
Just get shareholder approval and print new stock certificates. Down the road, take a goodwill right off for the 20 percent premium.
Delta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1131 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3459 times:
I know that NW, DL, HA is codesharing with Alaska Airlines as well, but almost everytime AA was codesharing with another northamerican company (QQ,CP,TW,AirCal etc,) they were later taking them over. I didn`t say about foreign carriers.
Patrick
Fly easyJet
25 Ord: Even if AA bought AS, which will not happen, there is no way the government would approve the merger. They didn't approve the UA/US merger because Uni
26 Aaway: AS's management has been zealous in remaining outside of any merger frenzy. The AA-AS rumors go back to the late 80s. It would be a nice addition for
27 L-188: I am trying to think back, but I don't think Alaska has bought anybody out since the 80's when they aquired, shoot can't remember the name, but that c
29 Bobnwa: Delta777Jet, The facts you list are almost all wrong. AA did not buy Midway AA did not buy PSA AA did not codeshare with TWA. Please re-examine the ri
30 AS739X: Good God, not this one again! Its not going to happen, no one is buying Alaska. Let all move on to a new subject! ASSFO
31 Luv2fly: I think it was shortly after TWA sold AA the LHR slots or because of it, that you were able to earn miles on TWA flights with you AAdvantage number an
32 WorldTraveler: There are only two strategic pieces needed to complete AA - a NRT hub (unless they can build a west coast gateway capable of supporting nonstop servic
33 Alexinwa: If AS should merge with anyone, It should be CO!!! Think of the over-night west coast operation they would have!! Fleets are almost identical. (except
34 A330_DTW: AS might join SkyTeam with its other partners, NW, KL and CO.
35 SHUPirate1: In my humble opinion, my suggested contingency plan for Star Alliance in case United goes Chapter 7 is for both America West and Alaska to replace UA.
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