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Hajj 2003 - 2004  
User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

The Hajj starts end of Dec thru March 2004. Saudia and Garuda Charter a large number of aircrafts for additional capacity.

Air Atlanta, European air Charters, Britannia and Air universal all had such contracts for Hajj early this year.

A lot of other new charter airlines are trying to get onboard each year to make a quick buck. There was some Chaos this year when North East airlines left its crew stranded in Jeddah with out pay and a ticket home.

Indonesian airlines, Tried flying 2 B747s and failed miserably.

Air Bangladesh leased a L1011 from Air universal, but never made it to Jeddah. The pilots went home with out operating a single flight.

PIA has been flying the Hajj with entirely its own fleet for the past couple of years, however with the permanent grounding of 2 B747-200s and the phaseing out of A300B4s, two Orient Thai B747s are being leased to add capacity this hajj.

Lets see what this Hajj brings our way.







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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

I would imagine a bigger Muslim country like INDIA too needing AI to get extra aircraft for the HAJJ season...whats their plan???

PIA should have leased some used B 743s from somewhere instead of B 742s as the 743 can carry many more pax thus resulting in less flights overall + more cargo space being available.


User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4882 times:

B743s can carry about 50 to 60 additional passengers however there is no significant difference in cargo capacity. I don't think there are too many B743s being offered on ACMI. MNG Airlines was trying with its A300B4s and Logistic Air with its B747, but Orient thai won the contract. With the meager salary they offer to their flight crew, I am not surprised that they were the cheapest.

User currently offlineEham From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

Air Atlanta bought a ex-KLM 747 to use it one Hadj flights

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6841 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

Indonesian airlines, Tried flying 2 B747s and failed miserably.

They failed because they couldn't be bothered to get the permits!

Last year, someone tried to sell Ex Olympic 742s SX-OAB and SX-OAC for some people for Hajj flights... Despite the planes not falling into the qualifications... As long as idiots don't read the rules, there'll be enough people out there who'll get hurt.

GAruda sending 2 744s, the rest Air Atlanta 747s, Britannia 763s and Air2000 763s I heard...

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineCorsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4704 times:

Most of the time flights are not done because the airline which chartered an aircraft did not pay for the overflying permits and so on.
Last year a Corsair B747 chartered by Air Senegal had to land in Kartoum because Air Senegal did not pay any landing permit to Saudia and they stayed stucked for 12hours there.


User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Any idea where Air Atlanta was basing its crew this year? I heard a rumor of India.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6841 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

PIA747,
Air Atlanta? Well, their 747 for Indonesian Hajj flights will be based in CGK/JED... it's been like that for years, I expect no change. The 767s are a different story however...

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

MyTravel(Uk) get involved as well with aircraft going to Garuda... 2 A330s I believe this eyar, not sure if MYT or Garuda crew the flights....

User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

All contracts are on an ACMI basis. Garuda crew will be too busy with their own fleet.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6841 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Garuda Hajj =
Pilots = From the aircraft source.
Purser = From the aircraft source.
F/A = From Garuda* + Aircraft source. However, this arrangement differs year to year. *Most of the GA F/A for Hajj are former GA F/As who still qualify.

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4491 times:


European Aviation has an aircraft going out on the 16 Dec operating from KUL. Its amazing how many British companies go in for this......must be big money to be made!


User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Mandala499: does the 22 year aircraft ruleapply to aircrafts registered in Indonesia only.. or other Airlines flying into Indo as well.

[Edited 2003-12-06 09:44:05]

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19204 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Saw G-BIMB, a MYT 763, at MAN on 3/12 in partial MYT livery but with the GA logo on its tail. Guess this is related to the Hajj.


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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6841 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

PIA747,
The 22 year old limit applies to ALL aircraft conducting Hajj flight to/from Indonesia for Indonesian Hajj pax. This extends to all aircraft of all registrations.

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlinePouyazad From Iran, joined Sep 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

From Iran: Iran Air with 747 and A300/310, Iran Airtours with Tu154 and Mahan air with A300/310 are in charge of flying Hajjies to Saudi Arabia this year.

User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3462 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Several years ago Nouvelair,named Air Liberté Tunisie at that time,flew Hajj flights for Mauritanian pilgrims.MD-83s used to fly MIR-NKC-MIR-JED and back,but this stopped and i don't know how Mauritanians had flown to Mecca in the last few years.

Tunisair will mainly rely on its Airbus fleet.The three AB6s will make shuttles between Tunisia and Jeddah,and A320s will be operated mainly out of secondary airports such as Gafsa,Sfax,Tabarka,and Tozeur.


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4282 times:
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Let's hope somebody can "steal" some photos from the JED ramp again this year.
At the slide auction at FRA in November, the Iraqi 747SP at JED fetched some 70 euro as top bid...



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Hopefully this year a certain ex-United 747 being operated out of Lybia does not make a name for itself. Has there been any recent word on its activities? Rumor was it was bought to be operated for hajj purposes.

T.J.



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User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Just found out from an Air Atlanta captain, they will operate 5 B747's and 3 767's for Saudia based in Jeddah.

User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Saudi Arabian Airlines has Leased 17 aircrafts to add capacity for the Hajj. 8 of which are coming from Air Atlanta, any news on the other 9?

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3938 times:


Mandala499,

Are the Indonesian B743 & B742 still sitting at CGK?, or have they been
moved elsewhere?
You mentioned that GA was using 2 B744 for the HAJJ. I thought the plan
was to only use one aircraft from the mainline fleet. When did that change
and what is the subsequent affect to the scheduled services?
Thanks again for your Indo updates, your really on top of things down there.

Regards,



Cargo doesn't whine, moan, or complain
User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

GARUDAROD:

The B743 (PK-IAT) has been returned to storage at Victorville, as seen in this photograph.


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Photo © Sam Chui



The B742 was infact a B741SR (PK-IAU) , it belongs to Logistic air and is currently based at Ras-Al- Khaimah airport (UAE) waiting for a busy Hajj season.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

I hope someone snaps up those 3 SQ B744s...it'll be worth it as it will be sold off very cheaply.

User currently offlineNeder99 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Air Atlanta will be operating 8 aircraft for Saudia, 4 for Garuda, and 1 for Air Algerie (don't know about the types for Garuda and Algerie)

25 Na : I heard that the other 747 of Indonesian, a 747-100, has been painted back in full cs. Looks like a preparation for the Hadj.
26 Planesarecool : A few MyTravel (A/S) A330-300's are going to Garuda from late December. Some of the UK based A330-200's are then going to the A/S section of the compa
27 PIA747 : In Jan this year, Britannia based its B767s in Singapore for the Garuda Hajj charters. I believe this was due to security threats in Indonesia. Are th
28 Post contains links PIA747 : Hajj flights start this week for many airlines. Air India has already started according to a recent post, and PIA starts on the 26th. Logistic Air htt
29 Ual747 : I think it's cool how Muslims all have a pilgrimage to their holy city. It must be amazing to see all the planes and people of your faith gathering at
30 PIA747 : Yes, it is a fascinating sight. During Jeddah is the busiest airport in the world and the largest collection of B747s.
31 PIA747 : Yes, it is a fascinating sight. During Hajj, Jeddah is the busiest airport in the world and the largest collection of B747s.
32 Mog : Whenever one sees unique airlines, like Air Cambodia (or variations of the name thereof), we know it is Hajj season at DEL. Rest of the year, the Haj
33 Olympus69 : Pe@rson, Saw G-BIMB, a MYT 763, at MAN on 3/12 in partial MYT livery but with the GA logo on its tail. Guess this is related to the Hajj. I think you
34 PIA747 : Heard, Sudan air is chartering two B747s for the Hajj operation. Any idea where they are coming from?
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