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The 1st B777-300ER For AF  
User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9664 times:

The first B777-300ER for Air France entered the paint shop on december 5th.
The plane should be delivered to the airline in April 2004 and will start services in MAY 2004, operating AF006 CDG-JFK. Air France is the launch company for the new B777-300ER type.

AF B773 will receive a 3 classes / 310 seats configuration, with the new Business and First class seats. They will be the only planes of the AF fleet (along with the B772 and later A380 ) to remain equipped with a First Class, as all AF A343/A332/B744 will be re-fitted with only Business/Eco.

The first plane to receive the new 2 class config is an A340-300 and will operate on AF004 CDG-EWR from Feb.2004

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User currently offlineNordo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9559 times:

Looking forward to introducing the new AFR006 to New England in the spring

User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9278 times:

Can't wait to see the 773ER in service. Just a beautiful aircraft! Kudos to Air France for buying such a quality piece of aviation art.


Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9239 times:

Someone get a photo of her while she's still clean! hey wait, i think I used that line back in college too...

T.J.



The last of the famous international playboys
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8814 times:

AF B773 will receive a 3 classes / 310 seats configuration

it'll actually be F8/J66/Y235 for a total of 309  Big grin



and will start services in MAY 2004, operating AF006 CDG-JFK.

For the longest time, they listed daily AF276/275 (CDG-NRT) and 5xwk AF274/273 as the launch routes on June 14; even gave a press release lauding how the bird would help them in the Japanese market.

What made them decide to change that?


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8747 times:

ConcordeBoy,

The new planes are always "tested" on the shortest routes of the long-haul network (usually NYC, YUL or IAD for AF ) and to cities served by many daily flights, in case of technical problems. When the pilots have to train (witch is not the case for the B773) those planes are even used the first weeks" on short European or Domestic flights like CDG-LHR or CDG-NCE

Moreover, you need more than one aircraft to operate a daily CDG-NRT.

I just had this information today about AF006 CDG-JFK in May with the B773


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8729 times:

Moreover, you need more than one aircraft to operate a daily CDG-NRT.


Hence the aforementioned date of 6/14  Big grin


User currently offlineFlyinguy1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8676 times:

Puting politics aside, if that is possible, as AF is the launch customer for the 777-300, I believe that it is time for all nationalities who disagreed with France on their stance on the war in Iraq to come together and unify in appreciation of the flight of this incredible aircraft. France purchases American products, Americans should pruchase French products, not because we just should for the hell of it, but because we truly need them. AF needs this aircraft for their fleet, obviously! I believe that the 777-300 is so beautiful that I might have to change my favorite aircraft from the 767-400 to the 777-300!

Also, I am going to go out on a "bipartisan" limb and hopefully, will not start another Airbus v. Boeing war! Currently, my favorite aircraft are: 737-800 w/winglets, A-330, 767-400, and the 777-300!!! Your opinions? What do you think?



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8655 times:

AF6/7 is the flight that gets back into Roissy around 9am?

Is Dakar still down to be one of the first routes to see the 773ER?


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8638 times:

Flyinguy1,

I'm no fan of the French (even though that includes a quarter of my family  Laugh out loud), but you're right... screw politics, it's nigh-impossible not to marvel at such an incredible aircraft, and the fact that AF is launching it.

Not only is AF the launch customer for the 773ER.... but it's also the first non-Asian airline to operate any version of 773 series at all, and will also be the first airline in the world to commercially operate any 773 version transatlantically. Good stuff!  Big thumbs up


User currently offlinePlane Holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

why does it take 4 months to deliver when it's already in the paint shop ?

rgds, Plane Holland


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8569 times:

It still hasn't received FAA (and equivalent) certification for one thing.

Another is the fact that AF asked Boeing to delay the delivery. When the lease order was first placed, AF originally wanted to have this bird in operation by last month.


User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8542 times:

It's nice to see that France wants to improve its relations with the U.S.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8536 times:

...based on what evidence, an order that was placed three years ago??  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8120 times:

That just shows how the 777 is superior to the A340. That the government owned airline of France is the launch customer for the 777-300 E.R. which competes head to head with the A340-600!

User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7982 times:

Any chance of AF flying the 773ERs to Singapore ? Big grin


Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

Long delivery due to the aircondition in 773?
Maybe thats what americans want, to see
the french falling ill like in the KLM 772 Smile/happy/getting dizzy
*Just kidding*

Michael/SE



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

The aircraft is probably going to participate in the final test phase of the aircraft. This is not unusual for the first 'production' specimens.




- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7653 times:

The aircraft is probably going to participate in the final test phase of the aircraft.

Based on what source?


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7471 times:

Donder10,

AF 006 (B773) will leave CDG at 1:15PM - Landing JFK at 3:15
AF 007 will depart JFK : 7:50PM - to arrive at CDG : 8:50 (+1)





User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7389 times:

The B777-200ER and the B777-300ER are certainly excellent aircraft, but I don't think we can say that are "better" than the A340. They just suit more an airline like AF, than the A346/A345, because of AF traffic, network, geographical position.

The A340 for AF is now needless. The A330 fits much better AF needs and can fly from CDG to ALL the destinations served by the A340, including Japan (AF A330 now flies daily nonstop CDG-KIX). The 22 A340 of AF are scheduled to leave the fleet in a medium term, though they are still quite "young" (the first a/c F-GLZA joined the fleet in 1992).

This is not a A. Vs B. statement. As a passenger, I prefer to fly the B777 than the A340 or A330. On the other hand, I definitely prefer the A320 family on the short/medium haul than the B737's.


User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7215 times:

Rjpieces,

Get your head out of your a$$! Do you have any evidence to backup your statement with except that AF took the B777-300ER instead of the A340-600 which is a french product?

Didnt think so...

You could also turn around your statement to this:

Why does UA, NW, B4, US and other airlines use A320s when they could get an American-produced B737?

PS: This is not meant to be A vs B, just trying to see what is inside of RJpieces head...

[Edited 2003-12-07 13:33:10]

User currently offlineTom_eddf From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7177 times:

I think the main factor for AF for not even considering the A340-600 was the fact that it is not available with GE powerplants. AF seems to have a very strong commitment to GE (which again might have to do with politics, as CFM is a joint company of GE and Snecma), with all of their aircraft powered by either GE or CFM engines. In the long run, the cost and value of the engines and related maintenance might exceed the acquisition costs of the aircraft itself.

Remember, that AF did order the A318 (which is, IMHO, a less competitive product in its class than the A346) only after Airbus agreed on fitting some CFM56s under its wings (whereas the initial plan was to go for the PW6000 only).

It might be possible that Airlines like NWA will not consider the A346 for the same reason, i.e. not offering a PW engines. Boeing might face some similar problems with the GE exclusivity for the 777ER/LR.


User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

I thought that Airbus put the CFM on the A318 due to problems with the PW6000?

User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7030 times:

Can't wait to see the aircraft!!!


Work Hard But Play Harder
25 ConcordeBoy : It might be possible that Airlines like NWA will not consider the A346 for the same reason, i.e. not offering a PW engines On small advantage the A340
26 FLYSSC : ConcordeBoy, I confirm that AF B777-300ER will be equiped with 310 seats (not 309). 8 First / 67 Business / 235 Economy. After AF006 CDG-JFK, the airc
27 Gigneil : Rolls did good with designing the Trent 500 and 600 on speculation, that's for sure. I dunno what PW will offer on the A340 if it ever does. Clearly,
28 ConcordeBoy : but they are an oldish engine at this point and likely don't meet the requirements for SFC and weight They could be tweaked, if the market called for
29 RiverVisualNYC : Last night the National Geographic channel had an instructive documentary about the A330 that glided over the Atlantic to a dead stick landing in the
30 Brons2 : Oh brother, RiverVisualNYC. The problem that affected that A330 (fuel exhaustion) would have affected a 4 engine craft as well. It does not make any c
31 Donder10 : Doesn't matter if they had 3,2 or 4 in the Transat incident:the plane was going down.
32 FLYSSC : CPH-R, Initially, Airbus conceived the A318 only with PW engines. AF was interested in the plane and asked Airbus to study a version with CFM engines,
33 RiverVisualNYC : According to the documentary, Air Transat mechanics botched the fuel lines of 1 engine, 50% of the twin's engines, which is what caused the initial fu
34 ConcordeBoy : What you dont understand is that the fuel flow was obstructed to the wing (which on a Triple7, just happens to hang 1 engine), causing it to lose fuel
35 BlatantEcho : RiverVisualNYC- they ran out of keroseane mate, nothing more too it. 165 engines on that thing ain't going to be better than two when you have no gas
36 Cores001 : Sorry for going back to AF new class configuration, but I woonder what´s the commercial rationale of a two-class configuration on a 747 or A34. Will
37 UTA_flyinghigh : what´s the commercial rationale of a two-class configuration on a 747 On certain destinations operated by AF, the loads in Espace Premiere were very,
38 FLYSSC : Cores001, The First class will be kept on the B772ER, B773ER, and A380. These planes will be, of course, used to the destinations where there is reall
39 707cmf : Doesn't that make it a 777-328ER ? 707
40 UTA_flyinghigh : Doesn't that make it a 777-328ER ? No, that makes it a Boeing 777-328/ER UTA
41 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Not quite sure I understand the point of reply #40 While the plane is owned by ILFC (and may possibly take their code), but it's more than likely buil
42 MaverickM11 : "BA 747 lost all engines over the Indian Ocean due to volcanic ash" It was on a flight departing Kuala Lumpur and lost all engines over Indonesia; it
43 FlyLAX : Any chance of an AF773ER coming to LAX? Maybe doing some CDG-LAX-PPT?
44 MaverickM11 : I think it would be easier to leave a 744 on that route due to ETOPS issues. However, if the 773ER gets the full 330 minute ETOPS approval that it is
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