FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9155 times:
The first B777-300ER for Air France entered the paint shop on december 5th.
The plane should be delivered to the airline in April 2004 and will start services in MAY 2004, operating AF006 CDG-JFK. Air France is the launch company for the new B777-300ER type.
AF B773 will receive a 3 classes / 310 seats configuration, with the new Business and First class seats. They will be the only planes of the AF fleet (along with the B772 and later A380 ) to remain equipped with a First Class, as all AF A343/A332/B744 will be re-fitted with only Business/Eco.
The first plane to receive the new 2 class config is an A340-300 and will operate on AF004 CDG-EWR from Feb.2004
FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8238 times:
The new planes are always "tested" on the shortest routes of the long-haul network (usually NYC, YUL or IAD for AF ) and to cities served by many daily flights, in case of technical problems. When the pilots have to train (witch is not the case for the B773) those planes are even used the first weeks" on short European or Domestic flights like CDG-LHR or CDG-NCE
Moreover, you need more than one aircraft to operate a daily CDG-NRT.
I just had this information today about AF006 CDG-JFK in May with the B773
Flyinguy1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 52 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8167 times:
Puting politics aside, if that is possible, as AF is the launch customer for the 777-300, I believe that it is time for all nationalities who disagreed with France on their stance on the war in Iraq to come together and unify in appreciation of the flight of this incredible aircraft. France purchases American products, Americans should pruchase French products, not because we just should for the hell of it, but because we truly need them. AF needs this aircraft for their fleet, obviously! I believe that the 777-300 is so beautiful that I might have to change my favorite aircraft from the 767-400 to the 777-300!
Also, I am going to go out on a "bipartisan" limb and hopefully, will not start another Airbus v. Boeing war! Currently, my favorite aircraft are: 737-800 w/winglets, A-330, 767-400, and the 777-300!!! Your opinions? What do you think?
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8129 times:
I'm no fan of the French (even though that includes a quarter of my family ), but you're right... screw politics, it's nigh-impossible not to marvel at such an incredible aircraft, and the fact that AF is launching it.
Not only is AF the launch customer for the 773ER.... but it's also the first non-Asian airline to operate any version of 773 series at all, and will also be the first airline in the world to commercially operate any 773 version transatlantically. Good stuff!
FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6880 times:
The B777-200ER and the B777-300ER are certainly excellent aircraft, but I don't think we can say that are "better" than the A340. They just suit more an airline like AF, than the A346/A345, because of AF traffic, network, geographical position.
The A340 for AF is now needless. The A330 fits much better AF needs and can fly from CDG to ALL the destinations served by the A340, including Japan (AF A330 now flies daily nonstop CDG-KIX). The 22 A340 of AF are scheduled to leave the fleet in a medium term, though they are still quite "young" (the first a/c F-GLZA joined the fleet in 1992).
This is not a A. Vs B. statement. As a passenger, I prefer to fly the B777 than the A340 or A330. On the other hand, I definitely prefer the A320 family on the short/medium haul than the B737's.
Tom_eddf From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 451 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6668 times:
I think the main factor for AF for not even considering the A340-600 was the fact that it is not available with GE powerplants. AF seems to have a very strong commitment to GE (which again might have to do with politics, as CFM is a joint company of GE and Snecma), with all of their aircraft powered by either GE or CFM engines. In the long run, the cost and value of the engines and related maintenance might exceed the acquisition costs of the aircraft itself.
Remember, that AF did order the A318 (which is, IMHO, a less competitive product in its class than the A346) only after Airbus agreed on fitting some CFM56s under its wings (whereas the initial plan was to go for the PW6000 only).
It might be possible that Airlines like NWA will not consider the A346 for the same reason, i.e. not offering a PW engines. Boeing might face some similar problems with the GE exclusivity for the 777ER/LR.