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AA: Good Loads On New MIA Routes  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10307 times:

American Airlines, which has launched five new non-stop routes out of Miami since July (two more launch in January), and all have experienced strong loads, the weakest performer being Pittsburgh, and even PIT is doing a strong ~75% load factor on weekends. Weekday loads are, expectedly, lower than weekends, but still performing well. Indianapolis and Columbus services are consistantly filling up. And in all these cases, it was a case of "why didn't AA serve these destinations before". About time.

Tommorrow's loads:
MIA-MSP: 112/115Y; 3/14F (MSP-MIA: 89/115Y; 3/14F)
MIA-IND: 115/115Y; 6/14F (IND-MIA: 113/115Y; 3/14F)
MIA-PIT: 95/115Y; 1/14F (80/115Y; 0/14F)
MIA-CMH: 50/50Y (CMH-MIA: 50/50Y)
MIA-CVG: 50/50Y (CVG-MIA: 48/50Y)

Inaugural loads:
MIA-RIC: 12/37Y (RIC-MIA: 13/37Y)
*Announced yesterday (5 December)
MIA-LIR loads not available.

Anyone can check loads on almost all American Airlines, American Eagle, and American Connection flights at:
http://www.aa.com/apps/reservations/CheckAvailableSeats.jhtml?anchorEvent=false


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10178 times:

Also, on a side note, these recently launched routes are doing well load-wise:

Miami to Sao Paulo daylight service (only daylight between US and deep South America; starts 15 December)
Boston to New Orleans
Dallas to Buenos Aires
JFK to Caracas (starts 19 December)
Ft. Lauderdale to Port-Au-Prince
Ft. Lauderdale to Caracas (starts 15 December)
*(FLL-SDQ is doing okay, not as well as the other two)

As many do know, loads are little indication of profits, but full planes are still nothing to complain about.

[Edited 2003-12-07 04:07:31]


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User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10055 times:

I have heard that everything has been doing pretty well out of here. That is good news for us based here in MIA... Hopefully they will add some more destinations. Would totally LOVE to see a non stop to SAN again, and perhaps FLL to SFO... =)

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10021 times:

I think AA has a lot of hope from FLL. MIA is still big for connections, but people just like to fly nonstop from FLL better. it is muh more convinent, and there is less traffic.

I'd like to see FLL-Mexico, FLL-POS, FLL-SXM, and espically FLL-the west coast.

and AA, if you give us FLL-the west coast, can you schedule arrival from 6:30am-7am of your red-eye. Nothing wakes me up more than a plane from the west coast approaching!

[Edited 2003-12-07 05:02:28]

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9968 times:

wow!
PAP-FLL
1 Bus.
71 Y!

book your seats now!


User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9907 times:

Well, it's nice to see that AA has discovered a way to make money again.

User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9848 times:

Well AA does fly FLL-LAX. Anyone see more European Routes for MIA in the Future or maybe one day even AA), Japan">NRT?


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User currently offlineFedExIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9844 times:

What other airlines have load information on their web sites. This can be a great tool for non-rev travelers.

User currently offlineAA 777 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 807 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9832 times:
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Fedexlndy,

I believe that on the AA site it shows seats that are booked but they really arent. They are blocked and some can only be "released" by agents at the airport. As for non-rev travellers, they have access to a form of Sabre that they can access on their own computer through the AA Employee site.

AA 777
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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9829 times:

AA has been adding a lot at FLL. Southern Florida is a huge market and they can sustain a hub at MIA and a large operation at FLL. I would love to see them doing FLL-CDG, a route Delta came close to doing at one point.

User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9819 times:

The AA.com seatmaps do not reflect load factors one bit. You could have a flight that looks completely booked but have 50 empty seats since AA does not show open seats blocked for elites. Not to mention the fact that AA also blocks some non-elite seats & emergency exit seats as well.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9778 times:

You could have a flight that looks completely booked but have 50 empty seats since AA does not show open seats blocked for elites.

If you mean the process where AA blocked off seats next to Elites in Y so they could have more space, I am almost positive AA no longer does that.

I think AA has a lot of hope from FLL. MIA is still big for connections, but people just like to fly nonstop from FLL better. it is muh more convinent, and there is less traffic.

For someone living in Ft. Lauderdale, yes. But how about for someone living in Miami? I, and more than 2.3 million other people, am a ten minute drive from MIA (25 in traffic), while it takes me 35 minutes (1 hour with traffic) to get to FLL. While both MIA and FLL clearly serve the same exact market (people in Miami go to FLL for low fares; to MIA for international non-stops), saying FLL is "more convienent" is totally relative.

I'd like to see FLL-Mexico, FLL-POS, FLL-SXM,

FLL-Mexico and FLL-SXM are not happening. FLL-POS I would not rule out, because it is a high-yielding market with a lot of business traffic. I would also not rule out AA starting FLL-SJO (I have hear rumours about that one), and AA was trying to get the FLL-BOG route authority from Aces' liquidation, but it went to Avianca.

and espically FLL-the west coast.

American Airlines flies between Ft. Lauderdale and Los Angeles four times a day, non-stop. AA announcing a redeye FLL-SFO would not surprise me (and if a certain Delta LCC announces it, AA will retaliate in less than a week, I promise), especially seeing how much they have expanded at FLL lately. SFO is the largest domestic O&D market from Miami/Ft. Lauderdale not served from both MIA and FLL.






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User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9706 times:

High loads are good, but what about the yield????
That's how you make or loose money.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9625 times:

If those numbers really are true, great to hear that AA is shaping up more its MIA hub and extending their Latin American network.

Why does CCS get all the fun? Flights to DFW, SJU apart from the normal MIA frecuencies, and now FLL and JFK too !!. We guys in BOG only get several flights to/from MIA  Crying . Maybe because there's not any relevant airline to compete with in Venezuela on those routes?? I mean, if AA flew to JFK from BOG they'd have to compete with a daily AV 767, and if they started to fly to FLL they'd have to compete with them too. Definetely not Venezuela's case.


Federico in SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9615 times:

From what I hear, AA's loads are really, really good systemwide -- especially on Eagle. Much of this, of course, is due to their reductions in capacity. They say they will add seats in 2004 -- let's see if they can keep this up when more seats are being sold.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineDb777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9580 times:
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From above: "I think AA has a lot of hope from FLL. MIA is still big for connections, but people just like to fly nonstop from FLL better. it is muh more convinent, and there is less traffic."

A response to above: "For someone living in Ft. Lauderdale, yes. But how about for someone living in Miami? I, and more than 2.3 million other people, am a ten minute drive from MIA (25 in traffic), while it takes me 35 minutes (1 hour with traffic) to get to FLL. While both MIA and FLL clearly serve the same exact market (people in Miami go to FLL for low fares; to MIA for international non-stops), saying FLL is "more convienent" is totally relative."

25 minutes in traffic to get to MIA? I know people who live in Kendall or Richmond Heights who work at MIA and routinely spend an hour in traffic getting to work. On really bad days it's an hour and 45 minutes. Yes, things are indeed relative.

Location, location, location - this is reason #1 as to FLL is growing like wildfire while MIA has suffered a decline. This is the reason why FLL has had more O&D traffic than MIA for at least five years now. Five or six years ago, the geographic center of population for South Florida was a point a mile or two west and just slightly north of FLL itself. That figure is probably further north now due to increased development in north Broward and Palm Beach County.

That means half the population of South Florida lives north of FLL and of course they're going to use FLL or PBI whenever possible. Very few people living in central or north Broward, or Palm Beach County, are willing to venture south to MIA and put up with the traffic and third world atmosphere unless they absolutely have to.

Of the people who live south of the geographic center of population, you have a substantial number of people in south Broward (Hollywood, Hallandale, Miramar, Pembroke Pines) who will prefer to fly out of FLL because it's closer, easier to use and the fares are lower most of the time.

On top of that sizeable population in central and south Broward, you have a large population in north Miami-Dade County (Aventura, Bal Harbour, Surfside, North Miami Beach, Destiny, Miami Lakes, unincorporated areas) who will prefer to fly out of FLL instead of MIA for several reasons but this is the primary one: you can get to FLL faster than MIA in the morning because you are going opposite rush-hour traffic - traffic from north Miami-Dade County to MIA is the absolute pits on every weekday morning, especially on the Palmetto Expressway or I-95. Southbound traffic to MIA on the Palmetto sucks in the middle of the day now too and in the late afternoon it is often backed up in gridlock due to an accident. Vehicle traffic is going to strangle Miami-Dade County, there is no hope in sight, and companies will continue to move to Broward and points north to make things easier on their employees. Lack of planning and foresight on the part of our elected officials and transportation officials past and present have doomed everyone to horrible traffic gridlock in Miami-Dade County and one of the unfortunate casualties will be MIA because no one can get there in a timely manner from the north.

Now, based on the above, you only have people living in central and southern Miami-Dade County that can get to MIA faster than FLL. That's a far smaller share of the total South Florida population than what FLL has. And from that group you will have a substantial percentage who are willing to drive further to fly out of FLL if they can save $50 to $200 per ticket due to lower air fares. They would be crazy not to do so, especially if husbands and wives are traveling together or with two or three kids on a trip. An added 45 minute drive each way to save $1000 on air fares for a family of five? It sure makes sense to me and more and more people are figuring out the math.

FLL will continue to thrive due to its location, the far lower operating costs for airlines which attracts the low-cost carriers, and because it is easier to get to and get through the process to board a flight. Someone at American has done their homework and they are smart to take advantage of the situation at FLL.

Don



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2073 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9529 times:

MAH, Thanks for that link! Big thumbs up

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

High loads are good, but what about the yield????

If you'd re-read my post, I stated how loads are a small indicator of how profitable a flight is. However, in the case of the Miami flights, Miami is a traditionaly strong yielding market, despite it's leisure-orientation (Miami is a high-end tourist destination; Ft. Lauderdale is lower end).

?Why does CCS get all the fun? Flights to DFW, SJU apart from the normal MIA frecuencies, and now FLL and JFK too !!. We guys in BOG only get several flights to/from MIA

It has nothing to do with American Airlines. Like I said, AA tried to get FLL-BOG. The Colombian government is one of the strictest government when it comes to foreign air services. They are very protective of thier own carriers. For example, they won't let AA serve more than three Colombian cities. It took more than ten years for AA to finally ge the authority to serve Medellin.

Now, based on the above, you only have people living in central and southern Miami-Dade County that can get to MIA faster than FLL. That's a far smaller share of the total South Florida population than what FLL has.

25 minutes in traffic to get to MIA? I

Living in the downtown Miami area like I and many others do, yes. 25 minutes in traffic.

That figure is probably further north now due to increased development in north Broward and Palm Beach County.

While I am not disputing increased development in the area, the hottest areas in terms of real estate development right now are downtown Miami and Miami Beach, both a 25 minute drive from MIA with traffic. Nobody else in South Florida comes close to the development boom going on in those two areas.


Vehicle traffic is going to strangle Miami-Dade County, there is no hope in sight,

No hope in sight? Then what's that new $10B+ rapid transit expansion and highway improvment programme approved last year by a .5% sales tax height? That includes, finally, a heavy-rail train line to MIA.
http://www.miamidade.gov/trafficrelief/about_plan.asp

Someone at American has done their homework and they are smart to take advantage of the situation at FLL.

I am not arguing with you there. Someone at American was very smart. It is an excellent situation, taking advantage of a huge FF base and making sure they are properly served from both the area's major airports. American Airlines is on track to surpass Southwest as the #2 carrier at FLL by the time the year is over, and there are rumours of new routes that keep on popping up particularly a redeye to SFO, a daily service to SJO, and making the FLL-RDU flights daily (currently 2x daily on SaSu only).







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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9403 times:

Hey MAH4546,

I just got information about rail expansion to MIA airport and here it is:


Earlington Heights/Airport Connector: a 3.1-mile extension from the Earlington Heights Metrorail station to the Miami Intermodal Center, located on the east side of Miami International Airport.

This is came in from these webpages about metrorail will expansion to Miami Airport. Is that true about of MIA? I read alot about of them with the future expansion into Miami. I am still miss in FLL/MIA very often and that why we are moving to PHX already. Thanks, Mark (MAH4646).

Regards!

Scott W.


User currently offlineEALSYS1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9340 times:

DB777,

Doesn't the short runway length, the fact that you mainly have only one runway available, and the fact that Dania Beach residents will never allow the southern runway (9R ?) to be lengthened all conspire to limit FLL's growth to not much more that we're at now or will be in the near future? I'm an MIA guy always since I'm SO much closer to MIA than FLL> FLL can be a haul!!!

Regards,

Sam


User currently offlineJeffie813 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9316 times:
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While I am not disputing increased development in the area, the hottest areas in terms of real estate development right now are downtown Miami and Miami Beach, both a 25 minute drive from MIA with traffic. Nobody else in South Florida comes close to the development boom going on in those two areas.

where do you get that information regarding development from? everything i've read (newspaper, s. fl business review, etc.) indicates that the "boom" is actually occuring more in palm beach and broward counties. condo development is all well and good, but in terms of a devlopment boom you have to look beyond condos and factor in new housing and planned communities. miami doesn't come close to broward or palm beach simply because there isn't any more room for development. drive anywhere in central to northern palm beach county (or scan the terrain as you fly the approach to PBI) and you will notice that there are more new communities and mixed use developments than you could ever count. palm beach county exceeds broward now in new housing building permits issued.


User currently offlineYUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9309 times:

AA started its 2nd daily flight to YUL in November with a B738. Any news on the loads there?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9310 times:

indicates that the "boom" is actually occuring more in palm beach and broward counties. condo development is all well and good, but in terms of a devlopment boom you have to look beyond condos and factor in new housing and planned communities.

I was referring to new condos, office towers, etc. In the US, only Chicago is currently building more new skyscrapers than Miami. No doubt the new housing communities are popping up all over in Palm Beach and Broward. As you said, there is zero room for that in Miami, which is far too compact. Which is why in Miami, they are building up, like the recently opened Millenium Tower, one of the tallest residential buildings in the world at 794 feet (a taller one, Met3, was announced a week after that one opened). Building new planned residential communities is nice, but the future points towards urban living once again, and Miami is definitley prospering from that, as well as downtown Ft. Lauderdale, another hot spot for high-rise construction.

AA started its 2nd daily flight to YUL in November with a B738. Any news on the loads there?

Both YUL-MIA flights are going out full/near full daily. MIA-YUL flights are going out at 75% or so capacity.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9290 times:

Hey MAH4546,

Oh my god!!! This is mean for those flight is always full on their way to YUL flight and I think still the load factors were doing very well. How is happening to know about AA were added second flight to YUL. You didn't not answer with this post from me about information for the future expansion on the metrorail to Miami Airport. What are you about still need expansion MIA in the future by the new city anytime soon? AA is make to keep with their money and will be alright for them.

Regards!

Scott W.


User currently offlineAir1727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9205 times:

Broward and Palm Beach Counties are blowing Dade into the shadows in terms of growth and development. Miami and Miami Beach are nothing compared to new areas of Palm Beach and Broward in terms of growth. As for FLL and the expansion of 9R/27L, someday Dania beach will have no say over the runway's future when capacity issues warrant Broward County to step over the battle and move ahead by mandate. The south runway at FLL will be expanded someday. When is another story, but that airport will become larger and more efficient as long as air travel stays its course. Dania Beach will have to have a coke and a smile, and get over it someday. Palm Beach Intl will also expand as well within 10 years (PBI already has two expansion master plans completed) for the population growth in Palm Beach, Jupiter, Stuart, Wellington, and Boyton Beach is beyond control and FLL and PBI will not be able to support the traffic once air travel balances out again. And no one from Broward or Palm Beach will deal with the stopped up toilet of I-95 and I-75 to the Crawlmetto Distressway to get to MIA. Forget it!

25 MAH4546 : Broward and Palm Beach Counties are blowing Dade into the shadows in terms of growth and development. Miami and Miami Beach are nothing compared to ne
26 Flymia : Traffic is realy not that bad. Anyone that lives in PBI area is not going to MIA unless they really want to fly non-stop some where so lets take PBI o
27 Dutchjet : There is no doubt that South Florida is booming.....there is so much real estate development from Jupiter to Miami that it is amazing - population and
28 RockyRacoon : With loads good at cvg, does anyone see a possibility of a mainline flight(s) in the spring to MIA? Tim
29 MAH4546 : With loads good at cvg, does anyone see a possibility of a mainline flight(s) in the spring to MIA? I think it is highly unlikely, especially since Am
30 Air1727 : Sorry, it just doesn't equate, but everyone is entitled to their view. The urban development and lets also say "recycling" of Miami and Miami Beach ar
31 Acvitale : Considering that 40% of the worlds wealth and over 80% of the US wealth is controlled by one zip code in S Florida 6 months a year I think the pompous
32 AC320 : I know Gainesville has been talking to AA about opening up routes to the New York area and Dallas. AA also mentioned the distince possibility of MIA-G
33 Acvitale : MIA-GNV and FLL-GNV have been tried several times by various carriers and to whit have yet to be successful. The last time I saw FLL-GNV it was initia
34 AC320 : Well I do know that the city, backed heavily by UF has raised a significant amount of funds to entice new service to GNV. I beleive they covet the dir
35 MaverickM11 : Am I the only one that finds it a little odd that AA lets you see the loads on all its flights? Most airlines won't even tell OA nonrevs how many seat
36 Post contains links MAH4546 : American Airlines is in talks with GNV officials to start MIA-GNV and DFW-GNV: http://www.alligator.org/edit/news/issues/stories/031125miami.html
37 Acvitale : Hmm sounds about like what I said... AA would want big $$$$ to guarantee the route. They say in the article $8 Million for 2 dailys. The consumers wan
38 AC320 : Well the service is not intended exclusively for students. UF is hoping to increase transportion options to/from Gainesville for its own purposes of b
39 AA777MIA : Look how long it has taken for the terminal in MIA to get started and it is NO WHERE near being finished right now. FLL has renovated the terminals, b
40 Post contains images Airliner777 : "Doesn't the short runway length,......" South African Airways B747-400s used to take off from 9L/27R bound FLL-JHN many times with 15+++ hours of fue
41 Db777 : I made a mistake in my first post where I said FLL has had more O&D pax than MIA for at least five years - it should have said domestic O&D passengers
42 MAH4546 : Look how long it has taken for the terminal in MIA to get started and it is NO WHERE near being finished right now. No where near being finished? Conc
43 Acvitale : MAH4546, I would suggest a check of http://dms.dot.gov the above poster is right on some of the applied for routes. If you consider crimes like rape,
44 LatinAviation : From one of the original posts. AA does not block seats next to Elites in Y any longer, but they do block off seats. Generally, it's the first two row
45 AA777MIA : Concourse D was supposed to open in July, then November, and now it is slated to open in February... MAH4546, when is the last time you were at MIA..
46 Air1727 : AC, it is no doubt amusing how people try to justify Miami as being this incredible city with all of this balance, life, and wealth. Sad part is that
47 MAH4546 : would suggest a check of http://dms.dot.gov the above poster is right on some of the applied for routes. I checked. American Airlines has not submitte
48 Jeffie813 : As I said, downtown Ft. Lauderdale, as well as many parts of south Broward, are an extremely urban place. as someone who lives in downtown west palm b
49 MAH4546 : if that's so, why did the u.s. census bureau rename the metropolitan area as of jan. 2004, removing miami beach and replacing it with west palm beach?
50 Post contains links Jeffie813 : The reason was that it was stupid for it not to include West Palm Beach. It made absolutley no sense to include Miami Beach and not West Palm, because
51 Jeffie813 : sorry - term i meant to use was "principal city". hialeah and the other cities are not "principal cities".
52 MAH4546 : Thanks for the correction. It's about time, because Palm Beach should have been in the name in the first place. Even Miami Beach agrees. Now, hopefull
53 Jeffie813 : you're right....the nitpicking and fighting really gets annoying and the reason palm beach, broward, dade are always fighting is over money primarily.
54 Db777 : I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression on the population growth in Miami because it certainly isn't a ghost town nor will it be. Despite the 35-year
55 Air1727 : I could not agree more with Don. Well said.
56 MAH4546 : It's funny that MAH4546 never mentions the operating cost differential for the airlines at MIA and FLL, or the fact that MIA's costs will skyrocket du
57 Air1727 : MIA will always be the more expensive airport to cover its high amounts of spending and high operating costs. Airports are not allowed to make a profi
58 Trvlr : It seems that most of the posters here are very biased in favor of one airport of the other. Does anyone think that perhaps the relationship between M
59 Ealsys1 : My question about FLL's rwy 9R still has not been answered. Dania Beach residents have been able to fend off runway expansion for years. I don't think
60 MAH4546 : Miami will keeps its position as the prominent international gateway of South Florida until Fort Lauderdale expands, Miami will remain the prominent i
61 Acvitale : Lets hope that FLL never shares management with MIA. After working at Miami International Airport for more then 8 years when I shifted North I realize
62 MAH4546 : I find it interesting that MAH refuses to comment on my AA S America FLL vs MIA/SJU comments What would you like me to comment on?
63 Air1727 : Here we go again; the "three airports that serve different purposes". They don't. They don't serve any purpose other than to respond to the demands of
64 Ealsys1 : Air1727, When will this expansion happen? It always gets sidetracked. Right now that runway expansion is a planned pipe dream. Enjoy FLL. It's a good
65 Mia777 : I'm not going to enter this heated debate but would like to comment on Metrofail. I could not agree more. The concept of trying to run a rapid transit
66 Post contains links MAH4546 : The current MetroRail system does suck. Thankfully, voters approved an expansion last November. The Aqua line to MIA is on target for 2011, among the
67 EALSYS1 : Hated it in '76 when it was voted on I do remember that although I was 9. I voted against the tax increases a few years ago and still will be horrible
68 Post contains images Air1727 : Hahaha, EALSYS I sure do respect your right to call me a whiner, and I for sure enjoy calling you an ignorant fool, but thats all in good fun.
69 MSYtristar : Is it just me, or is this topic becoming increasingly relevant for the non aviation forum and less relevant for the civil aviation forum? Stephen/New
70 Db777 : To MSYtristar: the topic is relevant to the civil aviation forum because it discusses factors that directly affect three of South Florida's airports.
71 Post contains links Db777 : Here's a good story from today's Sun-Sentinel about how one of the Broward County Commissioners has a possible conflict of interest regarding the runw
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