Delta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1438 posts, RR: 3 Posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7193 times:
I have noticed that Lufthansa will have a new Business Class with the delivery of it`s new A-340-600 and A-330-300.
I have also noticed the new ads of British Airways where they show "other airlines business class" - "Lufthansa Business Class" and the only full recline "British Airways Business Class". Is BA`s C-CL really better? How is Lufthansa`s C-CL compared to other Business Class Services or their own First Class Service?
ZSSNC From Germany, joined Feb 2003, 428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7049 times:
better is a very relative word. But yes, in terms of seat pitch, seat width and recline LHs new Business Class is at most mediocre. The only categories the LH Business Class is better than that of BA is seat length (there BAs bed is at most mediocre) and PTV size (BAs PTVs in Business Class are smaller than PTVs in Economy on some airlines). Also, on LH you are guaranteed either an aisle or a window seat (except for the 744) which is a huge advantage. I guess it all comes down to whether you want to lie flat or whether you can deal with sleeping tilted.
The only airlines offering completely flat Business Class beds without a recline are BA, VS and SA. I find BAs advertising campaign in Germany absolutely justified, as LH is trying to sell its new Business Class as something it really isn't it (a flat bed).
Airbus A340-600 - the longest temptation in the sky
Jopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 6911 times:
How is Lufthansa`s C-CL compared to other Business Class Services
Although it currently doesn't fully recline it's hard to compare it with BA. As a product BA's is superior, although price is cheaper in LH. Yes I know, better product, more price...but still 500 € on a business class ticket still is a big difference.
I fly them 2 times a year to go to Mexico, and is comfortable. I hope the new seats will add more value to the product, hopefully not on the price.
For example a RT in business from Spain to Mexico you can buy it for:
3.196 € on IB & AM nonstop
2.080 € on LH
2.590 € on BA
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6851 times:
I'm still not sure how much the "flat bed" is really an advantage over one that is slightly tilted upwards: no aircraft flies exactly horizontally, so in the end, if your seat/bed reclines to being absolutely parallel to the floor, your head will end up being on a lower level than your feet...
... not that I didn't enjoy the space of the LH First Class seat that I had the pleasure of sitting in for a bit over 12 hours twice this year (which I wouldn't have done if I'd actually have had to pay for it ), but I kept the backrest slightly raised, because I could actually sleep better that way...
Obithomas From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6759 times:
I've flown both on long haul from the USA to India. I have not flown the new LH J class, only the one that is currently in their 747-400s.
Between BA and LH, each has its advantages, and BA's is not automatically better because it goes flat. It's better for sleeping, that's true. However, if you are a member of this forum, you probably prefer window seats, as I do. BA's window seats face backwards, which is somewhat strange. At least, I found it odd to be looking into the engine intakes.
BA seats are narrow - no wider than economy, so Lufthansa's seats are better for sitting. BA seats are also lumpy - the lumbar support for when you're sitting up is sort of under your a$$ when you're lying down, which makes it feel like a sofa bed. Make sure you "flatten" the lumbar support before you lie down, or it's even worse.
There is very little storage space in BA's seat area. I could barely find a place to put my glasses when I lay down to sleep, and no place for my book. I tossed my book down on the floor with my shoes.
Finally, getting out of BA seats to go the bathroom when everyone is sleeping is really bad. On LH, if you know the person next to you (in my case, my wife), you can just sort of squeeze past. Not in BA. Because the window seat faces backwards, you get out by going past the person in the aisle seat behind you. You almost definitely do not know that person, and you can't just squeeze past. You have to step over the person's reclining legs. Think of stepping over a cot, and you get the idea. It's difficult at best, and impossible for me since I have a disabled leg. I just "hold my water" at night!
However, don't get me wrong: I'm not saying I prefer LH's to BA's seats. Each has its benefits. I do prefer LH as an airline, but for other reasons. I like both airlines' seats, and I fly with whichever one gives me and my wife lower J-class fares to India. Don't assume BA is better just because it goes flat.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6752 times:
However, if you are a member of this forum, you probably prefer window seats, as I do. BA's window seats face backwards, which is somewhat strange.
I agree absolutely. Last January I flew from EWR to LHR in BA's Club World, during take off I sat in the window seat but after an hour, I changed the seat with my girlfriend because I felt better in the aisle seat that had a "normal" direction.
BA seats are narrow - no wider than economy
They are quite narrow but I would not go so far to say that they have the same wide like BA's Economy Class seats.