DC3CV3407AC727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6241 times:
Now that the famed Checkerboard IGS approach into Hong-Kong is history. The twisting ,turning,descending VOR 13L/R approach into JFK is one of the most challenging(FUN) procedures still left to fly. It is also provides some of the best vistas for observers on terra firma ,since the approach path wends its way over Jamaica Bay, and heavily populated Brooklyn,and Queens,NYC neighborhoods. Indeed, the citizens of South Ozone park,and Howard Beach,Queens regularly enjoy the spectacle of a 747-400 ,engines spooling, banked delicately over their heads making that final pylon turn toward the runway. Have many of you aficianados have made the pilgrimage to JFK to check it out? How many of you were born underneath or near this wingpath like me?
the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
JohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1621 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6118 times:
I certainly have - but only the 13L approach. There's a little neighborhood park across the Belt Parkway from the Ramada Inn that's an excellent spotting location. It's interesting to watch the many locals who frequent the park - they pay absolutely no attention to the aircraft, no matter how unusual or exotic. I was amazed the first time I saw the Concorde there last summer that nobody even stopped what they were doing to watch it. It was just another airplane to them.
In all fairness, for photography I prefer the opposite approach to the 31R runway.
RP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 832 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6083 times:
I flew from TPA-JFK about a year ago and we used the 13L/R (I forgot which side) approach. Beautiful at night.
When I lived in NYC, I used to hang out at the batting cages near 5 Towns shopping center, and would watch the arrivals on the 31's. Since I was usually there during the mid-afternoon, just about every international airline would pass overhead.
Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 56 Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6058 times:
How many of you were born underneath or near this wingpath like me?
I grew up under the 13L approach, Old South Rd. in So. Ozone....you?
[EDIT] Ah, I just checked your profile and realize who you are...send those 3-holers back to JFK will ya!!
DC3CV3407AC727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6029 times:
would that i could mike,jfk has been an awesome base !
the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 40 Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5987 times:
If someone has access to the published page for this approach, either in Jeppesen or NOAA, or a link to one, feel free to post it here.
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
Potomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5978 times:
Southpaw8669 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5970 times:
when I was younger I too went to hang out at the 5 towns batting range to watch the planes come in on the 31R approach. both 13L/R and 31L/R are great for viewing. There are so many different spots.
DC3CV3407AC727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5936 times:
I've got to check out the 5-towns area,they use the 31's more than the 13's anyway. Another good place to hang in nice wx anyway,is the starbucks on crossbay blvd. in Howard beach, they have an open deck on the second story,I have enjoyed many an expresso,perused the NYtimes,and watched the early AM 31L departures, roaring overhead at about 1,000 agl, all at the same time!
the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
Foxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 729 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5882 times:
I have done that approach in an Delta MD-11, absolutely spectacular. Amazingly enough, the Captain (who is an acquaintance of mine from my JFK days) told us over the PA we were about to fly the Cararsie Approach and it involved "a lot of twists and turns" Gotta love this stuff
Southpaw8669 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5865 times:
coming off brookville make a left turn, you exit queens and enter the five towns.
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 40 Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5837 times:
Thanks, Potomac.
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
Potomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5832 times:
no problem - that's a great (free!) site for us airport diagrams and approach plates, among other things.
Foxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 729 posts, RR: 19 Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5678 times:
Southpaw- thanks for the directions, next time I'm home if the weather is good I'll definitely make a drive down. I grew up in Syosset and got to see some planes close up if they were landing on 22L & R if there were storms coming in over NJ I vividly remember seeing a KLM 747 down low enough to where I could read the tail clearly, and Concorde blasting over many times- who knew the Connie would outlast her!
Potomac, Great site thanks!
Tom in NO, long time no see how are ya?
on to subject-
I did my Airport agent training in Building 67 at JFK, after working in there for about a month you hardly notice the planes on final anymore, although they get close enough to see people looking down at you! Building 67 (and the KLM/Polar Air hanger next door) were the last 2 buildings aircraft had to clear before landing...Always neat to see them making that steep Canarsie turn before locking onto the ILS....
Flyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1691 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5630 times:
I have lived in Howard Beach most of my life, living under the Canarsie 13L/13R approach is what got me into aviation. Even to this day, whenever I see that first 13L arrival, it brings a smile to my face.
DC3CV3407AC727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5521 times:
me too,this summer I was JFK based, when they were using the Canarsie arrivals,I would walk through my old neighborhood,South Ozone Park, and enjoy the show ,aviation nerd that I am,I saw the Concorde in late August ,hopefully not for the last time, screaming overhead in a typically,wonderfully thunderous arrival for 13L.
the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
Airfrancejfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 475 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5406 times:
I live in South Ozone Park, just off Lefferts Blvd, and directly in the landing path of 13L. I would have to agree with the individual who said that no one pays much attention to the planes around here. I often go to get gas at the BP/AMOCO station on 130th Street and South Conduit Avenue directly opposite the park. Those planes are literally over your head tryin to make that final turn into 13L and no one so much as turns a head. The other day, I was there pumping gas and saw Air Santo Domingo, British, Lufthansa, BWIA, and Uzbekistan come in one after the other, now where else can you see that.
DC3CV3407AC727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5281 times:
nowhere else, you were right when you said nobody notices, but i think the concorde was the exception,droves of 767s,and airbuses wouldn't draw a glance,but the concorde still turned heads.
the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5256 times:
What a wonderful thread!!!!
I live in Bergen Beach, Brooklyn. It is underneath the 13L/R approach but not when the planes are super low. I also have lived here my whole life and that is what got me into aviation. There is nothing like growing up watching all of these great internatioanl airlines from countries you've never heard of flying over your house!
While I love the Canarsie approach, I don't think it matches the Kai Tak one. But then again I don't think anything matches the Kai Tak one.
Foxecho, it is weird. I find many times when landing on 13L that the Captain will say we are flying the Canarsie approach but on other runways the Captain never announces the name of the approach!
DC3CV3407AC727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5246 times:
he or she is probably an old head if they say Canarsie approach, it hasn't officially been referred to that way for years,now its either the VOR/DME 13L/R or the Parkway Visual,same thing just different nomenclature,but you still cross the Canarsie VOR all dirtied up at 1500 feet, and it is still a rush to fly it. Never got to fly Kai Tek, got close once in '91 when I was doing a ferry flight,but they changed my destination to BKK, and i never got my shot at the Checkerboard,(in a DC3!)
the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
Jcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 996 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5212 times:
DC3CV3407AC727:
I'm pretty sure I've heard it referred to as the Canarsie Approach by ATC controllers for inbound aircraft (i.e. I know of the Canarsie Climb so I'm not getting those confused).
Rjpieces:
I was on a DL 763 from CVG and the Captain refered to our arrival as the Canarsie approach and then landing on 13L. That was one of the best landings, because it was right on the edge of a strong thunderstorm with heavy downpours (in fact, only one aircraft behind us made the landing, and the rest I'm assuming were either put in a hold or vectore to a longer ILS (i.e. the visibility must have been about 3/4 to a mile.
CX777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 152 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5128 times:
Whats more amazing is that within the 12 nm left to CRI approach is the corridor for LGA and on a clear day one can see 8 jetliners on approaches! I have witnessed at several times, 1 over the 13 L numbers, 1 just commencing the Right Bank around 13 R base, 2 lined up behind and also can see 2 lined up for LGA approach. Lastly and if its 'rush hour' then ofcorse there is one jumbo over the Rockaway Blvd for 22 LEFT and one trailing right behind! All visible without binoculars and within 3000 ASL! To me, the ATC chatter at these times is better than the Beethoven's 5th!
Raj
DC3CV3407AC727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5082 times:
I know! The NY ClassB when everything is flowing well is a symphony writ large!
the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5034 times:
Hahah.....And if one of those planes landing on 13L ever has a misapproach all of the traffic at JFK and LGA can get screwed up!
25 BeeWeeL15: I have rode jump seat and flown as a pax on this approach. It is fun to see the pilots fly the approach and as a pax. When you do the Canarsie approac
27 HlywdCatft: i saw something interesting tonight around 9:45pm when i was looking at http://www1.passur.com/jfk.new.html I saw planes approaching JFK from the sout
29 Jcxp15: HlywdCatft: There's another thread on here about the ESB (Empire State Building) being in the way of ILS 13L/R at JFK, which goes into more details ab
30 Steady Eddie: Stayed at the Ramada many times, (three pointed building bottom left of that pic) and it literally points down the runway, if you stay at one of the r
31 DC3CV3407AC727: I know what you mean,my old block was just before the final pivot to rwy 13L,every 90 seconds during the busy times ,a steadily building whine,transfo
32 Sushka: Sounds interesting, does anybody have a copy of the chart that they can post?
33 UN_B732: I think I did that one coming in from SVO. You fly over a Staples the Ramada and a (Target Superstore?) -UN
34 HlywdCatft: My bad about the 31 instead of the 13, I was a bit dyslexic last night. At the same time though when the planes were approaching over the harbor and m
35 Eastbay: My last time flying into JFK was on an American A300 from Miami, we did the Canarsie to 13L, going missed at around 100 feet due to traffic on the run
36 Jcxp15: HlywdCatft: Yea it was RWY13 at LGA... That approach is also awesome is you're on the right side of the aircraft, cause first you overfly Manhattan at
37 A330: Done it tons of times on the 330 with Sabena and VG. 13L is not that special, a lot more fun if they clear you for 13R. Will hopefully come back to th
38 DC3CV3407AC727: Yeah on the 13r arrival you get to do that constantly descending 30 degree banked turn with everything hanging and the engines spooling,good noise,goo
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