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US 757s Going All Coach  
User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1279 posts, RR: 14
Posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Just read a quick newsbite in Aviation Daily that says US Airways is going to reconfigure some of their 757 fleet into an all-economy configuration for use on leisure routes, but not create a separate LCC entity.

In a quote with their CEO David Siegel, he said that US could probably maintain a revenue premium of 5-10% over Southwest, but not much more than that. That is a sure lot more realistic than AA's targeted revenue premium of 30%.

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

I really think this is the strategy the majors need to be pursuing, rather than a high-quality airline-within-an airline that steals from the mainline.

They need to offer higher quality on all flights, and target this type of configuration where applicable.

N


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

This is somewhat disappointing to me.

I had a chance to fly on a DL 738 in the 'Shuttle' or "Q" configuration, all coach, premium-pitch. And was a little disappointed. I would much rather have the first class cabin for upgrade.

A 757 with more legroom would be nice, however. I like the wider seats and better personal service. This will be a trend that will be gaining momentum quite quickly in my opinion, but sad to see.

b4real::keeping it real



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User currently offlineL1011Fan From United States of America, joined May 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

Hmm. not a bad idea. The 757 is already an economical airplane and adding more Y-class will probably increase revenue per flight. I enjoy the US 757's...I fly on them a lot. I would also add better IFE on them and increase the seat pitch a tad. Just my $.02.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

I think this idea just further confuses and to some extent pisses off your premium cabin passengers, especially when it is not explained well, before hand or by the poor crew who gets stuck dealing with it. Keep it simple, fix the problem and stop using band aids.........


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User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

I don't think its worth a downfal just to better serve premium travellers.


ETSN Baber, USN
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Perhaps this is being confused. US's B757's are being reconfigured. But as far as I know, they're being reconfigured to F8/Y185, from the current F24/Y158.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

That would make more sense then going all coach


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User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1279 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Perhaps Aviation Daily misquoted Siegel somehow, but I just re-read it to make certain I got it verbatim from the publication. "[US]...plans to reconfigure some of its Boeing 757s into a single class to stay competitive with low-cost carriers on domestic leisure routes."

Perhaps, they some will get the 8F/185Y configuration while others will go to a full Y configuration? For leisure routes it makes perfect sense given the capacity of the 757.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

The 757's are not going all coach. On another board it has been confirmed that they will be receiving a 8F/185Y configuration starting December 15th.

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Luv2Fly, what's confusing about it? IMHO, doing something like this is the least confusing option to the greatest number of individuals. And it's not like converting all of its 757s and subsequently applying them exclusively to certain routes that would otherwise keep premium customers from sitting in the desired section...it might simply do so on certain flights on certain routes.

I ask only because your last statement, when removed from the rest of your post, seems to describe what US is proposing perfectly.

-Mike



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User currently offlinePiedmontGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

USAir's 757s are going to an 8F/185Y configuration. The intention is to use them on leisure (read mainly Florida) markets.

This is what I am told by my friends who fly for US.



User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

My point being when it was said they were going all coach, it is confusing to pax who were flying first and now change of planes, all of a sudden to be one an aircraft now coach only. Also to have aircraft in your fleet configured only for a certain market, i.e. the leisure Florida market, even the best laid plans get changed, now all of a sudden you have an aircraft mechanical you switch aircraft and you have to explain to x number of pax who might have actually paid for 1st, hey you are now in coach. It looks good on paper and I am sure the bean counters love it, tho in the real world, no.


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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

now all of a sudden you have an aircraft mechanical you switch aircraft and you have to explain to x number of pax who might have actually paid for 1st, hey you are now in coach

ahh, that part makes sense...thanks for clarifying.

I suppose I think that mechanical changes of equipment happen enough that either (1) the exact same configured aircraft is exchanged or (2) one of similar enough configuration is to minimize the net loss of first class or total seats, i.e. to reduce x. According to posts above, this effects anywhere from 16 (if 8F are to remain) to 24 (if all Y) persons per seemingly infrequent situation. I'll defer to your judgment as to how often either situation occurs, but it would appear to me that this simple change best addresses the ratio of demand between F and Y class seats given limited their resources/options.



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