B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3103 times:
Air India has finalized the Winter 2003 fog management plan to deal with inclement weather at Indira Gandhi International airport at Delhi.
A number of flights have been retimed and rerouted from 23 December 2003 to 4 February 2004. A selection of these is described below.
AI 111 (123.5.7) will operate BOM-LHR-JFK with 0710hrs departure instead of BOM-DEL-LHR-JFK with 0315hrs departure. AI 101 (...4.6.) will continue to operate BOM-LHR-JFK with 0710hrs departure. Codeshare AI6301 opb VS (1..4.6) will continue to operate DEL-LHR with 1400hrs departure from DEL.
No change in westbound schedules. AI 123, AI 125 and AI 129 will operate BOM-LHR-ORD as scheduled.
AI 165 (.2..5.7) will operate BOM-FRA with 0655hrs departure instead of BOM-DEL-FRA with 0240hrs departure. AI 127 (1..4.6.) will continue to operate BOM-FRA-ORD with 0745hrs departure.
No change in westbound schedules. AI 145 (1234567) will continue to operate BOM-CDG-EWR as scheduled.
AI 112 (1234...) will operate JFK-LHR-BOM with 2255+1 hrs arrival instead of JFK-LHR-DEL-BOM with 0240+2 hrs arrival. AI 102 (....567) will continue to operate JFK-LHR-BOM with 2255+1 hrs arrival. Codeshare AI6300 opb VS (..3.5.7) will continue to operate LHR-DEL with 1145+1 hrs arrival in DEL.
AI 128 (....5..) will operate ORD-LHR-BOM with 0155+2 hrs arrival instead of ORD-LHR-DEL-BOM with 0540+2 hrs arrival. AI 124 and AI 122 will continue to operate ORD-LHR-BOM as scheduled.
AI 164 (.2..5.7) will operate FRA-BOM nonstop with 0215+1 hrs arrival instead of FRA-DEL-BOM with 0615+1 hrs arrival. AI 126 (1..4.6.) will continue to operate ORD-FRA-BOM with 2359+1 hrs arrival.
No change in eastbound schedules. AI 144 (1234567) will continue to operate EWR-CDG-BOM as scheduled.
Daily extra section AI3112 will run BOM-DEL with 1300 hrs departure and 1450 hrs arrival operated by Boeing 747-400 equipment.
Daily extra section AI3111 will run DEL-BOM with 1800 hrs departure and 1955 hrs arrival operated by Boeing 747-400 equipment.
A public announcement to this effect is expected in the next few days. Passengers booked on any of these flights are advised to call quickly to get your choice of reaccomodations before the real shit hits the fan.
SR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1741 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2902 times:
Well at least Air India chose to take precautions and avoid long delays. This seems like a good idea, but I am more worried about my flight on KLM in January. I would normally not fly through Delhi, but as the Northwest flight out of Bombay is completely full, I had to take this 9W/KL option. Hopefully KLM has thought this through and I do not miss all the North American connections.
Come on KLM, make some smart choices for once, you can't make them any worse!
Oh well, atleast it will make for an interesting trip report. Why do these things always happen when I fly KLM. The things I do to keep my Platinum status.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12807 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2875 times:
I don't suppose equipping a runway to Cat IIIb/c status - and AI's own acft too - figured in these plans? Based on what you've written, this is a very regular occurrence, so surely Cat III would be the way to go? Is DEL not yet equipped with Cat III of any level?
What is the minimum visibility (a) to which any operations can take plane, and (b) does this also apply to AI (and IC/9W for that matter). Presumably, the 340s/738s will be suitably equipped when delivered?
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2608 times:
Well, it seems to have started with a vengeance earlier this morning at DEL. Airport shut for 5 hours, from about 7am through noon.
No kidding. I understand that RVR 0 was recorded at some point this morning. What a clusterfuck.
Today's AI delays/diversions due to fog.
AI 165 DEL-FRA delayed 550 mins
AI 746 DXB-DEL diverted BOM
AI 111 DEL-LHR-JFK delayed 652 mins
AI 890 JED-LKO-DEL delayed 495 mins
AI 480 DEL-SIN cancelled
AI 891 DEL-JED delayed 455 mins
AI 349 PVG-BKK-DEL diverted BOM
AI 310 DEL-HKG delayed 370 mins
AI 306 DEL-BKK-NRT delayed 4 mins
Mog From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2588 times:
The complete scheduling scenario at AI needs to be changed, forthwith. For example, instead of running the multiple crazy BOM-DEL-abc-DEL-BOM patterns, the airline needs to consider operating BOM-abc-DEL-abc-BOM. DEL needs to become a QTA instead of a dogleg via-way-stop.
Likewise for the BOM-MAA/HYD/BLR/DEL-SIN-and return flights.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
The complete scheduling scenario at AI needs to be changed, forthwith. For example, instead of running the multiple crazy BOM-DEL-abc-DEL-BOM patterns, the airline needs to consider operating BOM-abc-DEL-abc-BOM. DEL needs to become a QTA instead of a dogleg via-way-stop.]
Why would Air India not do this, B747-437B?
One reason alone - lack of planes.
Air India would like nothing more to have sufficient aircraft to fly daily services each from BOM and DEL to every market capable of handling it, but alas with only 30-ish active frames, there is a significant constraint there. As the A310 fleet grows though, Gulf and domestic scheduling has been able to implement the very suggestions you mention.
Scheduling has done a marvelous job building up the US/domestic flight banks, with all 3 nightly services (JFK/EWR/ORD) arriving around 0000hrs and the domestic connection banks launching around 0130hrs. The domestic connections get back to BOM around 0500hrs and the US banks launch around 0700hrs.
Similarly with Gulf schedules, which now run the following type of rotations (these are actual aircraft rotation scheduled for this week).
Vimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1527 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2512 times:
AI today announced updates on their fog management schedule effective 24DEC to 04FEB04 for pax travelling from DEL.
During this period pax headed for LON / NYC will be flown to BOM the previous evening by a special charter flight which will connect LON/NYC as follows - this is for pax travelling to LON and JFK by AI-111 on days 1/2/3/5/7:
DEL dep 1800hrs BOM dep 0710hrs+
LON arr 1130hrs JFK arr 1555hrs
Passengers heading for DEL from NYC and LON on AI-112 during the above period will overfly DEL and land in BOM. All DEL bound pax will be provided hotel accommodation and then flown by a special charter the following morning departing BOM at 1100hrs and arriving DEL at 1320hrs.
Passengers travelling to FRA from DEL on AI-165 one 2/5/7 will have the following schedule:
DEL dep 1135hrs FRA arr 1700hrs
For passengers travelling to USA and Europe over BOM, daily shuttle service will be provided as per the following schedule:
DEL dep 1800hrs BOM arr 1955 AI-3111
In the meantime, DEL seems set for another bout of fog tomorrow with all weather reports already warning of severe fog conditions in the morning tomorrow around 0800hrs.
Sarfaroshi kii tamannaa ab hamaare dil mein hai, Dekhnaa hai zor kitnaa baazu-e-qaatil mein hai