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Air India Finalizes 2003 Delhi Fog Management Plan  
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Air India has finalized the Winter 2003 fog management plan to deal with inclement weather at Indira Gandhi International airport at Delhi.

A number of flights have been retimed and rerouted from 23 December 2003 to 4 February 2004. A selection of these is described below.

Westbound Services

London/JFK

AI 111 (123.5.7) will operate BOM-LHR-JFK with 0710hrs departure instead of BOM-DEL-LHR-JFK with 0315hrs departure. AI 101 (...4.6.) will continue to operate BOM-LHR-JFK with 0710hrs departure. Codeshare AI6301 opb VS (1..4.6) will continue to operate DEL-LHR with 1400hrs departure from DEL.

London/ORD

No change in westbound schedules. AI 123, AI 125 and AI 129 will operate BOM-LHR-ORD as scheduled.

Frankfurt/ORD

AI 165 (.2..5.7) will operate BOM-FRA with 0655hrs departure instead of BOM-DEL-FRA with 0240hrs departure. AI 127 (1..4.6.) will continue to operate BOM-FRA-ORD with 0745hrs departure.

Paris/EWR

No change in westbound schedules. AI 145 (1234567) will continue to operate BOM-CDG-EWR as scheduled.

Eastbound Services

London/JFK

AI 112 (1234...) will operate JFK-LHR-BOM with 2255+1 hrs arrival instead of JFK-LHR-DEL-BOM with 0240+2 hrs arrival. AI 102 (....567) will continue to operate JFK-LHR-BOM with 2255+1 hrs arrival. Codeshare AI6300 opb VS (..3.5.7) will continue to operate LHR-DEL with 1145+1 hrs arrival in DEL.

London/ORD

AI 128 (....5..) will operate ORD-LHR-BOM with 0155+2 hrs arrival instead of ORD-LHR-DEL-BOM with 0540+2 hrs arrival. AI 124 and AI 122 will continue to operate ORD-LHR-BOM as scheduled.

Frankfurt/ORD

AI 164 (.2..5.7) will operate FRA-BOM nonstop with 0215+1 hrs arrival instead of FRA-DEL-BOM with 0615+1 hrs arrival. AI 126 (1..4.6.) will continue to operate ORD-FRA-BOM with 2359+1 hrs arrival.

Paris/EWR

No change in eastbound schedules. AI 144 (1234567) will continue to operate EWR-CDG-BOM as scheduled.

Extra Sections

Daily extra section AI3112 will run BOM-DEL with 1300 hrs departure and 1450 hrs arrival operated by Boeing 747-400 equipment.

Daily extra section AI3111 will run DEL-BOM with 1800 hrs departure and 1955 hrs arrival operated by Boeing 747-400 equipment.

A public announcement to this effect is expected in the next few days. Passengers booked on any of these flights are advised to call quickly to get your choice of reaccomodations before the real shit hits the fan.

[Edited 2003-12-10 22:10:15]

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User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Just out of curiosity how are AI's competitrs like BA/EK etc affected by the fog at Delhi? How do they manage?

-Roy


User currently offlineMog From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Still clear in Delhi this morning, everything moving on schedule.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

how are AI's competitrs like BA/EK etc affected by the fog at Delhi? How do they manage?

A very detailed analysis and discussion of the DEL fog including the reasons, history and contingency plans to deal with it for various airlines can be found at http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1265866/.



User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1736 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

Well at least Air India chose to take precautions and avoid long delays. This seems like a good idea, but I am more worried about my flight on KLM in January. I would normally not fly through Delhi, but as the Northwest flight out of Bombay is completely full, I had to take this 9W/KL option. Hopefully KLM has thought this through and I do not miss all the North American connections.

Come on KLM, make some smart choices for once, you can't make them any worse!  Big grin

Oh well, atleast it will make for an interesting trip report. Why do these things always happen when I fly KLM. The things I do to keep my Platinum status.

SR 103


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

I don't suppose equipping a runway to Cat IIIb/c status - and AI's own acft too - figured in these plans? Based on what you've written, this is a very regular occurrence, so surely Cat III would be the way to go? Is DEL not yet equipped with Cat III of any level?

What is the minimum visibility (a) to which any operations can take plane, and (b) does this also apply to AI (and IC/9W for that matter). Presumably, the 340s/738s will be suitably equipped when delivered?


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Official announcement of these plans was made today with a few minor tweaks from my original posting.

AI 165/164 will now operate BOM d0830 DEL a1020 d1135 FRA a1700 d2220 DEL a1125+1 d1240+1 BOM a1435

AI 3112 will now operate BOM d1100 DEL a1250

http://www.airindia.com/article.asp?articleid=235


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Oh, one more point that I forgot to mention.

Because of the re-timing of the FRA flights, there will be a slight change to BKK/NRT operations as well due to aircraft rotations.

AI 302 on Tuesdays will operate BOM-DEL-BKK-NRT with a 742 instead of 743 Combi

AI 308 on Saturdays will operate BOM-DEL-NRT with a 742 instead of 743 Combi

All other flights to BKK/NRT will continue to be 743 Combi and all FRA terminators will be 743 Combi on Tu/Fr/Su. FRA/ORD flights will continue to be 744s on Mo/Th/Sa.


User currently offlineMog From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Well, it seems to have started with a vengeance earlier this morning at DEL. Airport shut for 5 hours, from about 7am through noon.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 2291 times:

Well, it seems to have started with a vengeance earlier this morning at DEL. Airport shut for 5 hours, from about 7am through noon.

No kidding. I understand that RVR 0 was recorded at some point this morning. What a clusterfuck.

Today's AI delays/diversions due to fog.

AI 165 DEL-FRA delayed 550 mins
AI 746 DXB-DEL diverted BOM
AI 111 DEL-LHR-JFK delayed 652 mins
AI 890 JED-LKO-DEL delayed 495 mins
AI 480 DEL-SIN cancelled
AI 891 DEL-JED delayed 455 mins
AI 349 PVG-BKK-DEL diverted BOM
AI 310 DEL-HKG delayed 370 mins
AI 306 DEL-BKK-NRT delayed 4 mins


User currently offlineMog From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

The complete scheduling scenario at AI needs to be changed, forthwith. For example, instead of running the multiple crazy BOM-DEL-abc-DEL-BOM patterns, the airline needs to consider operating BOM-abc-DEL-abc-BOM. DEL needs to become a QTA instead of a dogleg via-way-stop.

Likewise for the BOM-MAA/HYD/BLR/DEL-SIN-and return flights.

Why would Air India not do this, B747-437B?


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

The complete scheduling scenario at AI needs to be changed, forthwith. For example, instead of running the multiple crazy BOM-DEL-abc-DEL-BOM patterns, the airline needs to consider operating BOM-abc-DEL-abc-BOM. DEL needs to become a QTA instead of a dogleg via-way-stop.]

Why would Air India not do this, B747-437B?


One reason alone - lack of planes.

Air India would like nothing more to have sufficient aircraft to fly daily services each from BOM and DEL to every market capable of handling it, but alas with only 30-ish active frames, there is a significant constraint there. As the A310 fleet grows though, Gulf and domestic scheduling has been able to implement the very suggestions you mention.

Scheduling has done a marvelous job building up the US/domestic flight banks, with all 3 nightly services (JFK/EWR/ORD) arriving around 0000hrs and the domestic connection banks launching around 0130hrs. The domestic connections get back to BOM around 0500hrs and the US banks launch around 0700hrs.

Similarly with Gulf schedules, which now run the following type of rotations (these are actual aircraft rotation scheduled for this week).

20.12 AI717 BOM DXB 1745 2045 SC A310
20.12 AI936 DXB COK 2145 0130 SC A310
21.12 AI949 COK MCT 0230 0600 SC A310
21.12 AI948 MCT COK 0700 1020 SC A310
21.12 AI935 COK DXB 1345 1745 SC A310
21.12 AI716 DXB BOM 1845 2130 SC A310


18.12 AI801 BOM MAA 1050 1235 SC A310
18.12 AI801 MAA JED 1335 2010 SC A310
18.12 AI890 JED LKO 2125 0315 SC A310
19.12 AI890 LKO DEL 0415 0515 SC A310
19.12 AI891 DEL JED 0615 1240 SC A310
19.12 AI800 JED BOM 1400 1835 SC A310

Not perfect by any means, but significantly more efficient than some of the predecessor schedules which left a lot to be desired.


User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1514 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

AI today announced updates on their fog management schedule effective 24DEC to 04FEB04 for pax travelling from DEL.

During this period pax headed for LON / NYC will be flown to BOM the previous evening by a special charter flight which will connect LON/NYC as follows - this is for pax travelling to LON and JFK by AI-111 on days 1/2/3/5/7:

DEL dep 1800hrs BOM dep 0710hrs+
LON arr 1130hrs JFK arr 1555hrs

Passengers heading for DEL from NYC and LON on AI-112 during the above period will overfly DEL and land in BOM. All DEL bound pax will be provided hotel accommodation and then flown by a special charter the following morning departing BOM at 1100hrs and arriving DEL at 1320hrs.

Passengers travelling to FRA from DEL on AI-165 one 2/5/7 will have the following schedule:

DEL dep 1135hrs FRA arr 1700hrs

For passengers travelling to USA and Europe over BOM, daily shuttle service will be provided as per the following schedule:

DEL dep 1800hrs BOM arr 1955 AI-3111

In the meantime, DEL seems set for another bout of fog tomorrow with all weather reports already warning of severe fog conditions in the morning tomorrow around 0800hrs.

rgds//Vimanav



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