COEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1067 posts, RR: 18 Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2429 times:
Does anyone know the real purpose of CO's route between EWR and ABE? The only thing I can think of is that it is used primarily for connecting passengers, which leads to my next question. Why doesn't COEX fly the route? They have routes that are shorter out of CLE and IAH. Also if anyone used the route originating in EWR they would be stupid. I was just looking at it at continental.com and the fare was $174. That's outrageous compared to the everyday public transportation you can take for probably close to thirty dollars. Any input would be great..
Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2397 times:
If you're flying LAX-ABE, CO can fly you through EWR and then route you to ABE, collecting what is probably a higher fare because of the comparatively low level of competition at that market... Also, someone flying from MIA or BOS isn't going to notice that they're connecting through EWR and then taking a 30 minute flight to a destination less than 2 hours away by car.
Why it's not COEX, I'm not sure, but it could be that the city is large enough to warrant a larger aircraft. I know USAir was doing an MCI-CLT-RDU route awhile back...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
Gr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1617 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2390 times:
This route used to be operated with a bus. Other bus routes by the airlines that I can think of include: SJC-SFO (UA), ORD-RFD (either AA or UA, maybe both) and Valujet/AirTran's shuttles from ATL to CSG, CHA and MCN. Do any of these still run with busses?
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8929 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2323 times:
Back when CoEx had props, they would use a Beech 1900 on this route. From my relative's house in Philipsburg, I can be at EWR in 45 minutes, so it is not that big of a deal...just hope I-78 isn't a parking lot.
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2300 times:
This route IS operated by a bus, another example of misleading advertising...If you go to continental.com and look it up, it actually shows flight numbers and fares but under equipment it clearly says "BUS." You do however get 500 OnePass miles each way!!
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3430 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2283 times:
I thought that it was operated via land...it used to show "BUS" (note: not Airbus, rather the Greyhound variety) in the CO timetable (when they used to still print them). TOO close miles and actual driving from what I heard to operate it via air.
COEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1067 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
Does anyone see Continental doing what they did in CLE and IAH and get a regional carrier such as Commutair in and start flying some of the shorter routes again from EWR?
As with the whole EWR-ABE thing it really doesn't make much sense no matter how you put it. If you are a passenger coming flying within the U.S. and are going to ABE than you can connect through CLE granted there are not as many flights, but if you do have go to EWR its only a 45-60 minute drive down 78 as everyone else has stated. If you can't have someone pick you up in EWR than there is plenty of mass transit options from EWR going out there.
BGREACOFX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2163 times:
At the end, EWR-PQI was 2 flights per day. Right before the PQI/CO station was closed, the flights operated thru BGR, (PQI-BGR-EWR).
In regards for EWR-ABE......The B1900's, (and occasional EMB-120), were replaced with buses. The major reason was that when EWR were running ATC delays in/out, the first flights that were CXLD were the ABE flights, (due to length of flt), and the customers were given ground transportation to ABE.
The flights were replaced with as many as 8 bus trips per day. Now I think they are down to 3 trips per day. CO also operated "BUS" service between EWR-POU and EWR-TTN.
CO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2088 times:
BGR-EWR was cut in 1999 i think when it was pulling THE highest load factor out of EWR for COex. I heard when they did this, they were going to give us RJ service to CLE, but instead they give us BE1s to ALB which are lucky to go out with more than 5 pax most of the time. The morning ALB flight requires a very long connection to get to EWR so it does not tie into the CO system at all. BGR really should have service to EWR as the passengers are there if the flights went into EWR at the right times. WOW that was a big tangent, but oh well.
I did go on the bus EWR -ABE in 1998. It was weird because one passeger flipped out that the driver was lost when he took a left out of the gat instead of a right toward the planes. My dad then explained that it was a bus that took them to Allentown. She was still upset however.
There are too many self indulgent weiners in this town with too much bloody money" Randal Raines- Gone in 60 Seconds
BGREACOFX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2072 times:
BGR's last flight was October 28th, 1999. We only had 2 flights to EWR, (6:30am and 2:15pm). I scheduled everyone to be there that day for the "last dance", and wouldn't you know it, we were an hour late due to MX.
BGR was running the highest load factor for any COEX station in the EWR region. "BGR is too far away from a hub" was the reason we received. The yield was low, but still....
Now look at the routes the RJ's are flying, (EWR-OMA, EWR-STL, EWR-DAB, etc...).
Oh well...I guess things happen for a reason. It worked out pretty good for most of us.....
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2018 times:
If you can't have someone pick you up in EWR than there is plenty of mass transit options from EWR going out there.
Which may not be convenient. While there surely are regular public buses from Newark to Allentown (and probably to Bethlehem and Easton too), they most likely do not operate from either airport. Additional connections would be needed.
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
Jcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1946 times:
Yea I looked at that flight on CO.com, and from EWR to ABE they wanted like $180 RT... It would royally suck if you were the normal passenger, and were looking for a flight from somewhere to ABE and CO turned out to be the cheapest, and you go to EWR and all of a sudden CO was like "Oh, you're on a bus to ABE, see you outside!"....
Odie From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1930 times:
It takes only 2 hours by bus max to Newark from Bethlehem. I believe all their services are bus services, not air services. US Air however, operate an even shorter route: ABE-PHL, about 10 miles shorter than ABE-EWR. Flying time is around 40 minutes while driving to Philly takes about 50 mintues without traffic.