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Pan Am (not The Real One)  
User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Hi, I am curious about the new airline which called itself Pan Am. I know they fly from Pease (Portsmouth, NH) and from other airports in Maine mainly to Florida and tropical destinations in the Caribbeans. I would like to hear about experiences flying with them and about the status of the airline (load factors, economic situation in general). I may fly with them to Florida next summer, their price is not bad, besides I will be in Dover NH during the summer and Pease is very close and convenient from there. I am sorry if this was already discussed in the board, I searched the topic but nothing interesting came out of it.

Regards,

Gian Andrea

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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

Last I knew, the company was private, so they don't have to report financial figures like corporations do. However, I could be wrong about this.

I've never flown them.



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User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

So noone has experience about Panam? I just heard from a single other airliner member who traveled with them......

User currently offlineSchiller64 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Took PanAm from Westchester (HPN) to Martha's Vineyard twice this summer over the weekend on a - I guess - a BAe Jetstream 31. Nice to see the original Pan Am colors, albeit on a very small plane. Can't say a bad thing about them. The route appears to be seasonal only, but it was nice to beat the traffic out there & the fare was reasonable.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Well...... They are really not that 'new'. I think they have been flying for around 4-5 years now. I don't know if I would pay for your ticket too far in advance, with today economy I'm really not that sure what market nitch they have to offer. Boston is not that far away from PSM, and MHT is even closer. JetBlue servers BOS and Southwest is in MHT.


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User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3749 times:

EMBQA: you are right that Bos and MHT are not so far. Still, we are talking about 45 minutes to MHT, a little more than 1 hour to BOS (if there is no traffic) vs 20 minutes to PSM. Besides Boston Logan is a really busy airport while PSM has almost only this Pan Am. And add to that that if I want to go to Orlando, PAN Am has a really good fare with a direct flight. But to be sincere what attracts me most about them is that I guess I would fly with their 727 (which would a first for me) :P.

User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3728 times:

I think they have quit more cities than they serve.
They have been to MidAmerica,IL and Gary,IN and their commuter, Boston-Maine Airways seems to start and end service at the drop of a hat.


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3588 times:

They fly to Baltimore (BWI)


God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineNORDO From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Gian,

I pretty sure the PAA B727 from PSM lands at Sanford FL (SFB). That is 45 min from Disney. MCO is only 20 min. from Disney. Taxi and bus charters are also more expensive.


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

They also dropped ABE.

AAndrew


User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

I used to do ramp work at MidAmerica Airport when they flew there. When they started flying to BLV, a/c were full all of the time but it changed. They pulled out after their passenger count was peaking at 9pax per flight. Yes that's 9 per flight...the reason this happened was because the planes were being run out was wazoo and when an aircraft would break, there was no aircraft to cover. Planes were late, and passengers just weren't pleased with what Pan Am III was offering them and Pan Am III finially pulled out on Dec. 3 2000. Passengers that I would talk to liked the single class w/ good seat pitch and breakfast food. The thing that put Pan Am out of BLV was themselves.

User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

I have seen a Pan Am 727 at Willow Run (KYIP) a couple of times. I don't know who chartered them, though.


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User currently offlineCs03 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3434 times:
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In these uncertain times, they are trying to find markets that "fit" what they consider a "moneymaker", and they go into markets that might work, without other airlines "in the way"! They are finding out where they can make money, and it seems they are taking on more charter work for Boston tour operators, as it is constant and busy work!

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

They recently started flying into Myrtle Beach with nonstop 727's from Sanford and Manchester. Also, they now operate a MHT-SFB nonstop twice-weekly.


Stephen/New Orleans


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

The seats have some of the most generous legroom I have ever seen.

The airline offers hot meals on some flights

Very clean aircraft

Flew them from FLL to POS and back


User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

They came back to EWR one or two summers ago. I remember seeing on e of their 727's land as I was getting on to the NJ Turnpike. I think their destinations were PSM and SFB from EWR. I don't think they were there for more than two months.

Dave


User currently offlineIflyORL From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

I have flown Pan Am several times from Sanford to Portsmith. Its very nice. Very easy boarding at the airports because there are very few flights from either. Luggage very easy to get after deplaneing. No complaints here. Plus the flights are cheap. I would give it a shot.

User currently offlineFlybp From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3064 times:

we have flown pa3 a few times. PSM to SFD roundtrip; PSM to BGR roundtrip and PSM to Tampa/St. Petersburg also round trip. we were thrilled with each trip. PSM is very easy- free parking, intimate terminal, and very clean. the 727s are clean and roomy, the flight attendents were very friendly, and flying non stop at great prices is an additional plus. i know pa has been criticized for pulling out of cities, and for not having backup planes when there are mechanical issues, but one must wonder if that doesn't come with the territory with a small start up flying only a few planes at a time. we look forward to flying with them again--!

User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2959 times:

Thank you for your replies!!
Flybp, you know, free parking at the airport is a big plus of PSM. I am sorry that almost only Pan Am uses it, but since I really would like to visit Florida it's lucky for me :P! Anyway I was searching Yahoo! Finance about Pan Am, and it states that the airline will take 27 used aircraft from United! Does anyone have news about this? I hope they can grow in the future..


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2888 times:

COEWRNJ,

They also flew too Sn Juan, Puerto Rico from Newark.

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26636 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2876 times:

I would fly Pan shAm if you get the chance, especially if you have no 727 experience and want to get one in your log book. Also, their 727s are some of the few with winglets (I know Aviacsa has at least one as well, I saw it at LAX). The 727 winglets look almost identical to the ones on the MD-11. I would guess they are grabbing up ex-UA 722As as they are some of the newer examples and UA has a good rep for maintainance. Still, it is too bad that a small, insignificant airline is the one flying the blue globe


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User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2845 times:

N1120A: now it is a small insignificant airline. But in the future, who knows... I know we won't see the OLD Pan Am ever again, this was a real symbol of America all over the world which has gone away forever. Yet.... you never can tell what the future may bring. IF it is really true that they are taking more than 20 722s from UA, this definitely means they plan some major route expansion.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12125 posts, RR: 49
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2840 times:
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I remember reading something about the additional 727's as well, they were supposed to come from UA and part of the contract was they were only supposed to fly the Caribbean routes, per the contract? Not sure if I am remembering it correctly tho.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26636 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2820 times:

Well, UA's planes have hushkits so they should be able to fly them into most places. Perhaps UA does not want competition (why they think that would happen I don't know). I am betting PA wants to expand their charter network anyway and sees this as a good way to do it


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User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

Pan Am does do some charter work. The first weekend in December we saw a Pan Am Boeing 727-200 (with winglets) up at GFK. Quite thrilling to have planes with this paint scheme still flying around. They flew a plane load of fans from the University of Northern Alabama up to Grand Forks to see their football team play the University of North Dakota in Division II semifinals.


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User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Pan Am and Boston-Maine are owned by Gulliford Railway, which owns large amounts of VERY lucrative tracks in the Northeast. Their relatively insignificant airline operation is but a blip on their revenue sheet. Obviously they aren't terribly concerned about losses or profits, because there is no way of explaining their business plan.

From a pax point of view, very safe to invest in long-term tickets, and fares are generally very cheap. Plus you get classic aircraft: the 727 and the J-31 (if you sit in the first row, a great flight deck view as there is no door).



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