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BA Not Flying To SAN Anymore?  
User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

Was wondering, is British Airways still flying the 777 into SAN, or did they stop service? I just recently returned from an 8 month deployment, and realized, I havent heard Speedbird on my scanner or seen it on my flight tracker since I been back home.

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4289 times:
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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Yeah, BA275/4 was suspended on the 26th October.

-Stephen


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1298766/

...already discussed today  Big grin


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4109 times:

Is that seasonal or perminant? If it's perminant, than that's ashame! I guess SAN is losing their I'ntl. carriers.


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4003 times:

Ok,

I dont know. I would almost rather see a Virgin 340 in SAN. It would be nice, if BA pulled out for good, if Virgin started service.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

Maiznblu_757,

I'm not very convinced on VS wanting to start serving SAN. I think that if BA suspended the route for good, it's because the airline had very powerful reasons for doing it (maybe not profitable, really don't know).

Imagine that. One of the most worldwide extended airlines decided to not serve SAN from the UK, I don't think VS will, being waaay more selective on the markets they serve than BA. Really don't see it in the horizon.

It's a shame though the sole international carrier with schedule flights to SAN is AM.  Sad


Regards,


Federico in SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

being waaay more selective on the markets they serve than BA.

Coming up with LGW-LAS and MAN-MCO, is "selective"??  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineAAnalyst From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Don't forget that AS flies to SJD!

I worked at SAN while BA was flying there. The loads on the flight were actually fairly good. The problem was that it was only the loads in coach. The flight would literally be waaaayyyyy oversold in Coach, and only be booked with like 1 person in First, and 10 people in Business. The flight used to go out fairly full, but most people in First and Business had just been comp upgraded to prevent oversales.

The ticket prices in coach were also very appealing (i.e. cheap), which didn't help BA too much.

There was a rumor a few years back, right after BA started flying the route non-stop (eliminated the stop in PHX), that Lufthansa was looking at starting non-stop service from FRA with an A340. Too bad we never saw it happen...



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3914 times:


ConcordeBoy,

Coming up with LGW-LAS and MAN-MCO, is "selective"??

If you think of it, both markets at least make more sense than SAN, both in terms of tourism and leisure. Besides, they don't serve, for example LAS, with the frequency that BA served SAN.

If you take a look and compare both airlines' networks, you see that VS's destinations are much more select.

Anyway, didn't know for sure if you were just joking ironically or being serious.  Innocent  Big thumbs up

Regards,

Federico in SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Since this thread looks to be more active than the other one, I'm reposting my comments. One subject on the other thread was the prospect of carriers other than BA serving SAN.

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While the flight proved unsuccessful for BA during the months leading up to its suspension, we must remember that there were very important extenuating circumstances. Not only was there 9/11 and SARS, but also the Iraq war.

Once the economy settles into expansionary mode (fairly soon, I should imagine), I am certain we will see the return of transatlantic service. If served correctly, the market has major potential.

Personally, I think we would see LH here before KLM, but not by much! Amsterdam is the 2nd biggest O&D city out of SAN, after London (this information verified by the Director for Airport Business and Administration during the Port District era). With partnership agreements with Northwest and Continental already in place, plus the inevitable tie-up with Delta and SkyTeam, KLM could leverage connection opportunities for the San Diego market in a way British Airways never could. The same goes for Lufthansa and its relationship to United and US Airways. Remember, British Airways had zero revenue-generating assistance from American Airlines, due to antitrust restrictions. One reason why British Airways temprorarily failed in San Diego, but found amazing success in Phoenix, is the America West codeshare arrangement. For medium-sized markets like San Diego, Phoenix, or Portland, domestic partnership agreements are essential, and that's something BA just never had here.

At any rate, if nobody beats them to it, I think we'll see BA back here by next year. Probably as an extension of PHX (going to a 747 this summer!) or LAX.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

...there's also the possibility of this route returning with a new three-class ship, as opposed to four.

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

would or could BA route a 744 out of SAN to LHR via SFO?

User currently offlineBAJax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

"The problem was that it was only the loads in coach. The flight would literally be waaaayyyyy oversold in Coach, and only be booked with like 1 person in First, and 10 people in Business."

AAnalyst:

Actually, SAN did pretty well in our premium cabins, Club more than First. Many well-to-do people from La Jolla used our premium cabin services to LHR and beyond. I just don't think there was enough demand at this time to make it worth the effort. Right now, we are going through a "Future size and Shape" program and if something within our organization is not cutting it, it's going to get "left behind".

Having said all that, I find it very hard to believe the discontinued BA SAN service will be permanent. I do think it will resume within the next two years. Many people (from south of LA) preferred to travel from SAN instead of LAX. I think more than anything, it will be operated direct from LHR using a B-777-200 with New Club World, World Traveller Plus, and World Traveller. No First (like PHX and DEN).

BAJax

[Edited 2003-12-12 03:22:49]

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

i would personally rather drive down to San Diego from Orange County instead of dealing with LAX. Unfortunately I don't live in OC and so LAX is the best option, but how strong is the covariance between the decrease in loads on LAX-LHR to the loads on SAN-LHR when that flight is operational?


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User currently offlineGraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

Could those be planes that they are using to add the First Class beds for the LGW-TPA service or maybe if we are lucky they are using the planes to bring the service up to Daily!


Looking forward to the new AA
User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

I wonder why Condor (DE) does not extend their 767 service from FRA to LAS onward to SAN a couple of times a week? Also, I understand AF was interested in SAN before 9/11 as well so we should have some sort of Trans-Atlantic service if not this summer (looks unlikely), then by summer 2005.

Air Canada returns to SAN May 2 with their A319 non-stop to YYZ.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Could those be planes that they are using to add the First Class beds for the LGW-TPA service or maybe if we are lucky they are using the planes to bring the service up to Daily!

Tampa is not getting first class service. What Tampa is getting is flat-beds in business. Orlando is getting the same thing.

British Airways never flew 4-class to San Diego. What they flew was F/C/Y. Coincidently, prior to being canceled, British Airways was supposed to start flying C/Y+/Y 772 on the route eff. 27Oct03.



a.
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Anyone know what the configuration is for the 777s that BA flies to DFW?


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineGraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Sorry, the newspaper reporting it issued a correction this morning. How many BA Int'l Flights actually have First.


Looking forward to the new AA
User currently offlineBAJax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

Ssides: "Anyone know what the configuration is for the 777s that BA flies to DFW?"

Graham697: "How many BA Int'l Flights actually have First?"



BA DFW flights are operated using a B-777-200 with a F/J/W/Y configuration.
(W = World Traveller Plus/Premier Economy)

Only a handful of longhaul flights are not equipped with F. Destinations like PHX, DEN, YUL, CCU, MCO, TPA, and the daily MAN-JFK flight (B-767-300ER with no F) to name most of them.

BAJax


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

I'm very surprised that PHX does not have F service. I would have thought First Class could make a profit from PHX. When the 744's come will they also be without F service?? Does anyone have a seatmap pic of the BA 777's and 744's without the F cabin?


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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3189 times:

I'm very surprised that a market like Montreal (YUL) doesn't have First Class service. That destination is clearly on the 'business' side of the spectrum rather than on the 'leisure' end (in the same way that Boston is, Toronto is, et al). Why is Montreal a non-FC route? Puzzling.

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