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What Means Pam Pam?  
User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1689 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9477 times:

Can anyone explain what the meaning is from pam pam?
as far as I understand, it is used by pilots declaring an emergency.


Best Regards,
AMS

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User currently offlineGroundstop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9462 times:

Its actually "Pan-pan". And that is correct, its an emergency declaration.

JP


User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

It's from the french word "Panne" (said the same as pan in English) meaning a mechanical breakdown.

Grégoire



User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9439 times:

It's from the french word "Panne"

"Panne" means "breakdown" in German, also in French?

Patrick


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9428 times:

Yes, also in French. I had never made the connection between "pan pan" and "panne," though. Interesting.


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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9422 times:

Basically, you have mayday, mayday - which basically means I have an emergency of the absolute highest nature, and I need to land yesterday.

Pan pan is basically I have an emergency of an important nature and I need to land as soon as possible, but not right this very second. (although the pilot wishes he could do so) Hope that clears it up a little.


User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9416 times:

If I am not mistaken, it is declaring an emergency not as severe as a "mayday," which implies imminent destruction. For example, if memory serves me right, "pan pan" was the distress call used by SR111 when the crew detected the cockpit fire. the aircraft ultimately went down later but I don't recall if they got off a "mayday" or not.

User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9360 times:

PAN PAN = urgent
MAY DAY = distress



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User currently offlineDanialanwar From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9340 times:

SR111 sequence was as follows:


SWR111: 1:14:18.0 Swissair one eleven heavy is declaring Pan Pan Pan. We have uh smoke in the cockpit, uh request (deviate), immediate return uh to a convenient place, I guess uh Boston

SWR111: 1:24:45.1 Swissair one eleven heavy is declaring emergency
SWR111: 1:25:05.4 And we are declaring emergency now Swissair one eleven

SWR111: 1:25:49.3 (***)

http://aviation-safety.net/cvr/atc_sr111.shtml


So I take it that Emergency is more serious than "Pan" ... but then what's mayday (apart from a public holiday)?



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User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9303 times:

I think those poor guys didn't know how serious the problem was...They tried to take time to dump fuel when they really needed to just get on the ground immediately, apparently they were working through a very long checklist per SR regulations and in hindsight should have just found a way to get on the ground...I believe the incident resulted in some changes in SR MD-11 emergency procedures....Anyway I brought this incident up because it was the first and only time I have actually heard of "pan" being used...

User currently offlineMartin21 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

"Panne" means "breakdown" in German, also in French?

and also in Dutch, although we don't use it that much...
Let me guess, watched the disaster of Swissair 111 on the Dutch tv?

martin21



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9261 times:

but then what's mayday

Mayday derives from the french "m'aidez" meaning "help me".


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9228 times:

Slightly off topic, but Mayday is also derieved from French - m'aider (as in 'Venez m'aider!' - come and help me!)

V/F



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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9103 times:

So I take it that Emergency is more serious than "Pan" ... but then what's mayday

I think Pan and Mayday are normally broadcasts to any station that is listening. Once you have established contact after a Mayday you would then declare an emergency, and state the nature of the emergency.

The traditional final transmission is "Oh sh*t!"



User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4820 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9099 times:

Pan, Pan, Pan is notifying the Air Traffic Controller that there is an incident onboard the aircraft & might require an convenient airport.

May Day, May Day, May Day is an EMERGENCY & the pilot requires an airfield ASAP.



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User currently offlineConcordeBOAC From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8984 times:

There are two classes of emergency message:
Distress : A condition of being threatened by serious and/or imminent danger and of requiring immediate assistance.

Urgency : A condition concerning the safety of an aircraft and other vehicle, or of some person on board or within sight, but which does not require immediate assistance.

A message will contain as many as possible of the following items :

MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY (for distress messages)

PAN PAN, PAN PAN, PAN PAN (for urgency messages)

AND

Name of the station addressed (time permitting)

Identification of the aircraft

Nature of the emergency

Intention of the person in command

Present position, level and heading

As much other information as time permits.

When a pilot has given certain items of information normally associated with an emergency message but has not prefixed the transmission with ‘MAYDAY’ or ‘PAN’, the controller is to ask the pilot if he wishes to declare an emergency. If the pilot declines to do so, the controller may, if he thinks it appropriate, carry out the necessary actions as if the pilot had declared an emergency. The term ‘fuel emergency’ has no status in the UK and controllers are not required to give priority to aircraft with a reported shortage of fuel unless an emergency is declared.


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