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User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/13/1071125710814.html

Other airlines should be allowed to fly the Australia to LAX route. More competion is needed from the two airlines that fly it, one of them in C11 as well. If SQ ever did get in, it would be great for competition. This does bring back the argument about QF flying into SIN with 5th freedom rights etc.

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

Other airlines (NW, AA, CO, etc) already have rights to fly the route... they dont want to because they either cooperate with QF, or dont have the equipment/infrastructure to make USA-Aussieland work

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Let the Los Angeles/San Francisco to Australia flights stand as is. Only the fit will survive. By the looks of things historically the only two airlines to make it work are still flying the routes!

QANTAS

LAX-MEL
LAX-AKL
LAX-SYD

UNITED AIRLINES

LAX-SYD
SFO-SYD

Review the past U.S. airlines to serve Australia from the U.S. and you will find a very common issue!

Code Share
or
Failure

American Airlines.... Pulled service with the beefing up of the OneWorld Alliance and its codeshare with Qantas!
Codeshare


Continental Airlines(Micronesia).... Pulled 747 and DC-10 flying out of Sydney/Brisbaine and are now stuck with a sole 757 to Cairns from Guam! Not exactly a competitve market!
Near Failure


Northwest Airlines.... Got nailed to the wall with bad business practices misusing the Japan to Australia traffic rights!
Failure


Pan Am.... When cash strapped the airline included the Australian routes with the Asian routes when offered to United Airlines!
Failure


Yes, it would be nice to see more airlines offer more service on the North America to Australia sectors.. One thing though... Singapore Airlines... is much to overhyped! Ansett who had intended on serving San Francisco and Los Angeles went broke! Air New Zealand and its on again off again financial woes! Who would enter the market and sustain service? Who?

Furthermore, the type of tourist could very well change should you have a less expensive entrant into the market. If you are sniffing around for Virgin Blue to serve the U.S. dont hold your breath! If you are hoping that Delta Airlines or US Airways will try the market... keep dreaming! Airlines in the U.S. like routes that can be quick turned.. thusfore they do not need the 3 aircraft per flight that United requires on its daily SFO-SYD, and LAX-SYD!

Alliances with airlines like Delta, Northwest, and Continental rely very heavily apon the work of their codeshare partners! The problem is that SkyTeam is on its face when it comes to Australia/Oceania...With the exception of Korean via Seoul, Malaysia via Kuala Lumpur, and Continental via Guam.. SkyTeam has near no presence in the region!

LHR001

[Edited 2003-12-13 21:06:50]

User currently onlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4920 times:
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I was under the impression that American Airlines pulled out of Australia long before the formation of oneworld?

The only references I could find to AA service to Australia were for brief periods during the 1970s with 707s and again from the late 1980s to early 1990s with DC-10s.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4863 times:

Ansett served both LAX and SFO. No "intended".

I was under the impression that American Airlines pulled out of Australia long before the formation of oneworld?

Yeah, they pulled service 10 years before oneworld was even born.

N

[Edited 2003-12-13 21:52:53]

User currently offlineEddieIAH From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 39 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Don't forget that apart from United and Qantas, Air New Zealand also flies LAX-SYD/AKL and Air Canada flies from YVR-HNL-SYD!

Eddie


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

Malaysia via Kuala Lumpur, and Continental via Guam

Since when is MH (or currently, CO, for that matter) in SkyTeam?


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

If SQ got rights, could they fly SFO-SYD?

User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

You are right about it hurting tourism the fact that as far back at September you could not get a return fare on QF or UA in the first week of January for under $2800AUD, is a sure sign that there are simply not enough flights available, I am sure even Qantas itself could have filled up an additional daily flight over this time (me thinks they have a fleet shortage), as they have rights to operate 4 x daily from SYD to LAX, even United has additional capacity rights to Australia should it wish, I think it's high time there be a BNE-LAX non stop service to alleviate the capacity problems out of SYD during peak times.

Whether or not the airlines have underestimated how quickly traffic has rebounded? (traffic on the SYD to LAX during the Northern Winter 03/04 has been the busiest for UA and QF on record) - Bring back NZ I say.

and YES as patriotic I am to QF, there is a shortage of capacity and this needs to be addressed ASAP.



User currently offlineAardvark From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

EddieIAH,

NZ pulled out of SYD-LAX some time ago and now codeshare with UA.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

I don't see why UA doesn't nail up more flights. They have plenty of spare 744s, and if this route really is printing cash it seems like exactly the place to put capacity.

N


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Gigneil,


You may want to recheck the stats on American Airlines pulling out of Australia. American Airlines pulled out and soon after started a code-share agreement with Qantas before the name of "One World" was even in place. And furthermore "One World" has been in place for several years!

You are saying that Ansett never had intention to service North America?
- You may want to recheck that reply! They were slatted to start service in 2003/2004 destination Los Angeles or San Francisco! Unfortunately the airline had to close its doors in 2001!


EddieIAH,

Air New Zealand has not flown the Los Angeles-Sydney nonstop for nearly 2 years!


ConcordeBoy,

Look at the facts Continental Airlines is placing its flight numbers on Delta Airlines flights! Get on with it.. They are going to join SkyTeam. An airline like Continental would not survive in One World or Star Alliance! Malaysia Airlines is in bed with KLM Royal Dutch Airlines... who by the way... is now in bed with both Northwest Airlines and Air France.. Who by the way are rather nice jewels in the SkyTeam crown!


Aussie747,

Thanks for been patriotic tworads Qantas. It is an incredible airline, with an incredible clientele base! It would be rather nice to see more routes open via Brisbaine or Cairns to the United States. These days I think many people miss the Honolulu-Cairns on Qantas, or more importantly the San Francisco-Honolulu-Sydney on Qantas! If Qantas can find the fleet and the manpower, you surely will see more flights to North America!



LHR001


User currently offlineQANTASpower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

I would hate to see this route opened up to SIA. Qantas would get nothing in return. If the Govt does it would seem QF has only itself to blame. Don't get TOO GREEDY!. There are full page adds in the Sydney papers today announcing worldwide specials with SYD to LAX more expensive than all the European destinations!

However as stated above if the routes are so lucrative why has UA not re-instated their direct LAX to MEL flights?? Why has ANZ not re-entered the market?? I really wish UA would beef up their presence. With QF now having PTV'S on all services to the US and soon Sleeper Beds they will become even stronger against UA.

QF could put extra flights on with their current fleet. They would simply have to pull the 3 x 743's out of storage and move these onto routes now served by 744's such as Brisbane to Singapore therfore freeing up more 744's.

In the long run the Govt may allow for example 1 x daily SIA service to the States and even 1 x Cathay with QF being then allowed to fly Hong Kong to LHR.

If this does happen you will see QF immediately respond with extra services. I has the pleasure of recently flying QF from SYD to JFK and yes the SYD - LAX sectors were very heavily loaded especially the pointy end. QF is obviously making massive profits here as business and first class tix are extremely expensive and good luck to them.

On somedays thay have up to 6 flights leave LAX for Australia and New Zealand. It is an impressive sight to be at LAX and see them all.

I can't wait until the A380's arrive and deployed on the SYD - LAX route. Lets hope they also go on the MEL - LAX too.




User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6643 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

I am sure Cathay would make it work.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

You are saying that Ansett never had intention to service North America?

No, I'm saying Ansett served the United States daily for many years.

Their final collapse was in March of 2002.

If Qantas can find the fleet and the manpower, you surely will see more flights to North America!

QF has no fleet shortage. Its arguable whether they desire to commit a whole 744 to another US city right now, and even further arguable if they want to order smaller aircraft to do so.

They serve many major US destinations with AA from LAX. That's all the feed they want for now, otherwise they'd have kicked up their LAX-ORD route by now.

N

[Edited 2003-12-14 04:34:40]

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4410 times:

When did Ansett ever fly to the U.S.?


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineQantas005 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4371 times:

Ansett was close to flying to the US, then it went under!

you want to try living on the west coast of australia and getting fares to the US via Sydney, absurd prices that range sometimes in peak periods to well over $3000!

i would imagine that if SQ started flying from Syd to LA that it would have harsh consequences for UA!

we are lucky in Perth, we get some good deals via KL, NRT, SIN and HK.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5361 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4336 times:

I would hate to see this route opened up to SIA. Qantas would get nothing in return. If the Govt does it would seem QF has only itself to blame. Don't get TOO GREEDY!. There are full page adds in the Sydney papers today announcing worldwide specials with SYD to LAX more expensive than all the European destinations!

LOL, QF only flies double daily SIN-LHR and daily SIN-FRA with 3 weekly to CDG aswell all on 744's. I really wouldn't call SQ greedy for wanting to fly SYD-LAX.

Air New Zealand has not flown the Los Angeles-Sydney nonstop for nearly 2 years!

Make that about 8 months Lhr001. They will continue to route pax via AKL aswell, there isn't enough feeder traffic since Ansett's demise particularly up front.

Strange that UA doesn't add more flights to OZ though since people say that it is so lucrative, they can return to AKL and LAX-MEL non-stop at the same time aswell.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4293 times:

Strange that UA doesn't add more flights to OZ though since people say that it is so lucrative

It is so lucrative because demand far exceeeds supply. Add that demand, and there goes everything that makes it lucrative.



a.
User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Is Qantas in a position to take on new airlines? With a possible price war looming as well between Virgin Blue in their domestic market.

It is unfair how tickets are so expensive to the US from Australia, sure it's a long distance but it's cheaper most times to fly to Europe, probably because of all the competition on the market. If UA was to pull out of the Australian market this will leave a massive gap and prices are bound just to go up even more.


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Ansett never once flew to the United States. The fleet of 747-400 aircraft was way to busy being utilized to Japan, Hong Kong, and Singapore! If memory serves correct Ansett was actually looking at the Airbus A340 model to service the North American routes!

Qantas indeed does have the manpower...

However, it is very un-Qantas to operate a flight only seasonaly!

Compass years ago had expressed interest in the opening of international routes and among them North America, problem was playing with Qantas got the wiped right off of the map! Qantas is a superb airline, with an equally impressive history!

United Airlines, at this point in time is in no shape to be adding international routes. The airline is just starting to show signs of promise. In addition all may think that the 747-400's are spare and doing nothing! However, are you aware of the cost of a single daily service from Los Angeles or San Francisco to Sydney, or Melbourne. We are not trying to fill seats on a 737 from Sacramento to Los Angeles for 1 hour and 20 minutes. The is a 747-400 that holds some 400 or so passengers and is airborne for over 14 hours! In addition the crewing of the flights is enormous as well. If daily you would require 2 cockpit, and 18 cabin. Weekly that is 140 crew members, add the cost of crew hotel rooms, crew meals, and per diems... It is quiet expensive if that plane does not go out more than half full!



LHR001


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

You are right it is these crew expenses on stopovers that make the flights quite expensive , however at the same time QANTAS admits that at times the US market brings in up to 35% of all QF profits now that is quite lucrative for a 5 to 6 times a day 747 flight service just into one city (ex SYD,MEL,AKL)



User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4163 times:

Aussie747,

Exactly!


There is one very important thing to look at here. The two airlines serving the United States to Australia are Qantas and United Airlines. Qantas is in much greater financial shape than United Airlines to take on the addition of a new route. For some reason there is a very common trend that has recently been broken. Americans have chosen United Airlines, with the onset of United Airlines financial woes you are seeing many more people take Qantas. In doing so they discover why so very many of us would chose Qantas over United anyday! So, in turn Qantas ends up being loaded to capacity while United Airlines is offering the fare sales!

Additionaly, should Qantas invest more in the U.S. market by adding flights to San Francisco, Chicago, Dallas, or Toronto?.. They must also take into effect the state of the countrys financial shape. Is the traffic heavier from Australia outbound? Or is the traffic to Australia heavier on the inbound? Is there a valid need to commence a service that may only prove lucrative for 2 or 3 months? Is the investment worth it! Adding an additional flight would incur more Passenger Service Agents, Gate Agents, Ticket Agents, Ground Service Agents in both the origin and the destination! Would it be worth it to hire these people on for only a short time?

Long Live QANTAS!



LHR001


User currently offlineQANTASpower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

Lhr001. Thankyou for your comments.

Qantas would love to add more US services but is being very careful as it does not want to force the withadrawal of UA from Australia. Qantas could go for the juggler on this route if they wanted to but are holding back. They don't want SIA or Cathay coming in where they don't belong.

Does anybody with inside knowledge now how UA's loads on this route are? I hear economy class passengers are on the low side. Not sure about Bus & First.

I for one dread the day UA pulled out of this route. In all likihood Australia will never see a US carrier fly to our shores again. This would be very bad!!

I cannot see UA withstand the onslaught of QF, SIA and perhaps Cathay on this route.

Especially with the A380 on its way.



[Edited 2003-12-14 09:39:42]

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

It is rather amazing to see the country who at one time ruled the World when it came to aviation is sticking very close to its shores. Even prior to the events of 9-11 the airlines were starting to rely more and more on its alliance partners!

United Airlines from what has been discussed has very nice figures for Business and First Class be this due to frequent fliers or be this due to full fare paying passengers. United Airlines will not let go of Australia anytime soon, it would be more likely that they would pull the Los Angeles route before San Francisco as the airline is now very heavily in the midst of reorganization and trying to focus on San Francisco, Denver, Chicago, and Washington/IAD versus the past in Los Angeles, Miami, and Honolulu. The airline day after day is facing challenges! It is not set in stone, however you have to see the facts that United Airlines cannot concentrate on both Los Angeles and San Francisco while trying to reorganize and reshape the airline! Perhaps, you will see San Francisco to Melbourne in lieu of Los Angeles to Melbourne. Perhaps, you will see San Francisco to Auckland in lieu of Los Angeles to Auckland. San Francisco at present is United Airlines most international base.

Asia-
Hong Kong
Osaka
Seoul
Shanghai
Taipei
Tokyo

Australia-
Sydney

Canada-
Calgary
Toronto
Vancouver

Europe-
Frankfurt, London, Paris

Mexico-
Mexico City


Dont worry about Qantas not having competition on the Australia to United States market! The market will sustain at least United Airlines for the time being. United Airlines, will put up an immense fight should there turf become invaided!

Qantas, on the other hand hopefully would not allow the likes of Singapore Airlines to fly between Sydney and Los Angeles. From personal experience Qantas is far superior to Singapore Airlines. Singapore Airlines is much like Emirates.. They are the same as all of the rest, however they have made a name for themselves! Qantas has had the name for over 5 decades!


Regards,


LHR001


25 Post contains images QANTASpower : Lhr001 - you have been added to my respected users list
26 Lhr001 : QANTASpower, Thank you for the addition! Qantas, is a subject for which I can spend hours discussing and never find boring! It is an airline with styl
27 N1120A : Ansett was planning on flying to LAX, with an ex-SQ A340 of all things. They ended up not flying the route, as they went bankrupt. Besides, they were
28 IndustrialPate : ...it would be more likely that [UA] would pull the Los Angeles route before San Francisco... A rather interesting statement, considering UA reduced S
29 Lhr001 : N1120A, Less than $900.00 ...... wow..... Normaly fares to Australia are in the area of $1150.00.... whatever your booking source is.... keep it a sec
30 Post contains images PerthGloryFan : lhr001 said: There is one very important thing to look at here. The two airlines serving the United States to Australia are Qantas and United Airlines
31 N1120A : Like I said, I think it would be interesting if VS started flying US-OZ. Conisdering that NZ got the 5th freedom for it, I would assume that is would
32 Aussie_ : Oh no - now Qantaspower has a buddy. Two one-eyed fans of Qantas, the airline that seemingly can do no wrong. No offence guys, you are entitled to an
33 Sydscott : I would agree that QF does have a stranglehold over direct services to Australia. The problem that UAL has with its services is that even with the 74
34 Lufthansa : Aussie.... well said. Every hotel, amusement park, natural wonder, and supporting industries in Australia are suffering because of the attitude that Q
35 Flyinghighboy : For sutdent airfares, i went to STA, Qantas comes around $100 cheaper for flying into New York. But for $100 more with UA you get The option of flying
36 Post contains links Gemuser : With all this talk of new carriers on the Pacific routes, nobody is considering the matter in terms of bilateral aviation treaties. Qantas has 5th fre
37 Sydscott : Well said Aussie and Lufthansa. The problem with QF is that it's too Sydney centric in its thinking. QF would be far happier if it could pile us into
38 Gemuser : Sydscott, No need for Sir Richard to persuade anybody! The Oz - UK & UK - USA bilaterals both allow the UK rights between OZ & USA. BOAC used to opera
39 Dghiggins : Nobody picked up on PerthGloryFan's comment on Emirates ........ It is the airline to watch. And their new first class on the A343-500s is unreal - no
40 Copaair737 : I could see Australian Airlines opening up a few North American routes, such as SYD-NAN-SFO, or SYD-HNL-YVR.
41 QANTASpower : Aussie_ You display a total lack of understanding of the issues involved in negotiating new international air right agreements. Your stupid and danger
42 Lufthansa : Qantas power, Your profile stats you work in finance but im seriously wondering what kind of finance? It would certainy appear that it is not economic
43 Sydscott : Thanks Gemuser, I didn't know anything about the treaties but if VS can fly LAX-SYD merely by applying to the British Government then that is great n
44 Gemuser : Sydscott... Exactly whats in for Oz, in bilateral terms. What has CX got to swap? QF has 5th freedom from HKG (maybe it has some restrictions on it? b
45 MSPman : well, skyteam could put together a LAX-SYD flight with NW flying the route with their 747-400s. If they needed the 744s they can buy them from UA. CO
46 Gigneil : There's no reason why a DL or CO 777 couldn't fly the route nonstop. N
47 Sydscott : I thought the whole furore over VS flights from Hong Kong to Sydney was that QF couldn't fly the HK-LHR sector and compete directly with them??? I do
48 KDHawaii777 : What happens if Delta take these routes, LAX-SYD and SFO-SYD? Will Delta get a profit? or will it hurt Qantas/United Airlines financially? I don't rec
49 Gigneil : Will Delta get a profit? Well, that depends on if you factor in the loss of business from moving 3 777s to the route. In a vacuum, I'm sure they would
50 RayChuang : I think the primary reason why QF is buying the A380-800 is the very fact the 747-400 is running at full capacity on the SYD-LAX route and the SYD-BKK
51 MSPman : I don't think that you can fly a 777 from LAX to SYD because of ETOPS. Thats why I suggested a NW 744 to do that job. JB
52 Gemuser : No other US carrier has shown any interest in serving Oz, despite full rights being available. Why? Because they think they can make more profit elsew
53 QantasAirways : Why not have some extra healthy competition on the Australia-US route? Qantas is a great airline, but often enough they need a strong message that the
54 Lhr001 : In reviewing some of the forwritten topics... A few replies- One cannot count SQ, CX, JL, NH, KE, OZ, TG and MH as contendors on the United States to
55 QantasAirways : One cannot say that Qantas does not offer a superior product Okay fine... Qantas offers a superior product to American carriers. That doesn't make it
56 Lhr001 : QantasAirways, For bearing the Qantas name you dont exactly support the airline well! Why would you scold Qantas as if it were some child by stating t
57 QantasAirways : LHR001, Unfortunately, due to Airliners.net restrictions, new usernames cannot be made for free. If that wasn't the case, I'd wash my hands of Qantas.
58 Lhr001 : QantasAirways, Very interesting reply! So, in the end you are a supporter of Qantas! Very good! Unfortunately, I cannot say the same when it has come
59 QANTASpower : QantasAirways - The new Qantas international product is comparable to the best. I just flew to New York and tested it out. I really hate it when fello
60 Lufthansa : Qantas power and friends... fair enough the figures may be slightly off and are estimations, but what is important FOR THE AUSTRALIAN economy, and aft
61 Qantasclub : What a fascinating thread and a great read! It seems the topic has evolved from Qantas and US routes to it's safety record vs SQ and the very passions
62 Sydscott : Lets not also forget that the only reason QF doesn't have a hull loss on its records was over its insistence that the aircraft involved in the Bangko
63 QANTASpower : SydScott, The cheapest option was to repair the 744. This was confirmed in writing by Boeing and QF's insurance company. Cost was no where near the am
64 Sydscott : In response; "The report into the crash, in which no-one was killed but which caused AUD$100 million (USD$50 million) of damage, reveals the accident
65 Coronado990 : I'd like to see SYD-HNL-SAN on Australian Airlines.
66 Flyinghighboy : You won't want too many routes falling to Australian Airlines, plus a lot of domestic routes falling to Jet Star, as for the reason being that there a
67 B727-200 : Let's face it, we are consumers, and as such demand value for money. The cost of flying EC-Australia to WC-North America is terrible, and only driven
68 Beno : You are forgetting the QF fleet is very streched at the moment as there are numerous upgrades/re-configs happening. I am sure QF will add extra US ser
69 QantasAirways : Lhr001: It's great to see that you have enjoyed Qantas quite recently on your flights, and I agree that when Qantas' service is good, they are outstan
70 PerthGloryFan : QANTAS.....forever! !!! Oops, my apologies for entering the discussion on a rational basis, I didn't realise that this was a "pick an airline and supp
71 QantasAirways : PerthGloryFan, You are absolutely right. One of the things people tend to ignore is service on all fronts. Even as a Brisbanite (East Coast), the serv
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