TLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7790 times:
In a concurrent thread about BNA and its ability to land another international flight, a discussion about BA possibly pulling its service to TPA is taking place. I guess post-9/11, their future at TPA was questioned, but apparently they are doing better with this route and will be sending in 777s with a larger business class and potentially increasing the frequency from 5x a week to daily.
I was surprised to hear that for a long time, BA was using 777s with 10-across seating in coach. I didn't think that was possible! I can't imagine how uncomfortable that must be, especially for such a long flight! Does anyone know which other routes they are subjecting their coach passengers to cattle car conditions? Are any other airlines doing this?
TLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7312 times:
My sister-in-law told me once that she was on a flight JFK-FRA on LH that was 11 across. I asked her it could have been ten, but she swears it was 11. The only plane I can think of that could even remotely fit 11 across in LH's fleet would be a 744. I still think she might have miscounted (I am sure it might be easy to do in a packed 744). Has anyone heard of such a configuration?
Airplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7291 times:
TLHFLA, I'm no expert on past configurations, but I've never heard of an 11 abreast seating. Some planes will have expanded configurations (767 2-4-2, 777 3-4-3, A330 3-3-3) but I've never heard of a 747 having one. It's probably the only plane that could possibly do that, so I think your sister-in-law might have just miscounted.
9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6828 times:
TLHFLA, your sister-in-law definitely miscounted.
There (fortunately) never was a plane in LH´s fleet that had a 11 abreast seating configuration. I guess she counted five seats in the middle row instead of four on a B747. Or maybe she was on a DC-10 first, which has five seats in the middle, and on a 747 afterwards and mixed things up a little.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26495 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6680 times:
I remember flying on a 744 with LH that was 11 across too. I was in the middle seat. Granted I was a short 13 year old but still. It always pissed me off when my parents would get their seats at the counter instead of calling in. It is window or nothing for me. Quite frankley, all coach seats are too narrow for my shoulders, though since I have a small waist, I usually find a way to contort my body into the seat. However, I am now much taller and love to get exit row, or an unexpected upgrade to C (Thank you SR just before the switch to LX)
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Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6657 times:
If you want to fly REAL CATTLE CLASS try a British charter airline like Monarch, JMC or MyTravel on there A330-200s.
As if a charter airlines legroom is not bad enough on a nine hour flight - a whole 28 inches. They manage to operate them with 9 across as opposed to 8 across on.
I have flown a couple of years back Manchester-Sanford Orlando with MyTravel and was the most uncomfortable flights I have taken. I am not overweight or tall but the seating is a complete joke and so cramped together.
I cant complain about the service we had seat back TV's, food was OK and cabin crew very friendly and I like the idea of the toilets below the main cabin in the hold area down a flight of steps.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6576 times:
N1120A, as others have stated, LH has never operated aircraft with 11 seats across... I'll admit that their Economy Class does not, not even by a long shot, qualify as being even in the area of the most comfortable Economy Classes out there (or even close to anything comfortable at all) - but 11 across is too much even for them.
Gilesdavies, I know the feeling from SAA's A300s, which they - at least for the last few years (at least 1994 onwards) operated in a 3-3-3 config... quite awful - fortunately, CPT-JNB only lasts about two hours...
KA, really? I had never heard of that "all 3-4-3"-777... but as long as they've increased the pitch, I guess it's probably survivable... I never figured out why they actually have that split system of one part 3-3-3 and one part 3-4-3: do you know what that's about? Do they put pax on higher fares up front, while those on lower fares are put in back?
Thestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6352 times:
I recently flew Lauda on VIE-KUL-SYD in a 3-4-3 772 setup. To tell you the truth it wasnt all that different compared to being in another one of their 772's with 3-3-3 setup or a BA 772 with 3-3-3 setup. A long flight is a long flight, the only real difference it made was that the cabin in general was a lot more crowded and as it was a full flight being surrounded by that many people for 20 hours in a small space was bit like a zoo. However this aircraft of Laudas did have large PTV's, larger than on their other planes.
Aviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6264 times:
Thai Airways International operates theirs in 10-abreast seating too! Very narrow aisle bearing capable of letting the catering cart go by . . . so watch your shoulder, your elbow and your ear nearer the aisle.
I have travelled several times on these and now avoid them wherever possible. During my flights on TG's B777, I have seen collisions between catering cart and body parts . . . almost always accompanied by "Sorry Sir!!".
DLMHT From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6148 times:
Speaking of 777s, what the hell is up with some of these airlines going 2-3-2 in Business class?
I flew AF awhile ago in Business, and was appalled to see a middle seat there. For that kind of money, shouldn't they all have either an aisle or window? I see that the above seat map has 3 across in the center too.
Tbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5988 times:
Try being 6'3" and over 200 pounds. I have to purchase a business or first ticket just to survive a long haul. Maybe this is some form of discrimimation, but the more cramped, the longer the flight, and nothing to eat - I guess this defines the term "cattle car." As long as people look at the bottom line (both airline management and passengers), those of us who are somewhat larger than the general population suffer. Ever had a major leg cramp at 35,000? It ain't fun! But then again, who cares? Sad commentary on man's respect and regard for all types of humanity. I guess if you're big, you just have to have more money to travel. And don't even think about telling me to go on a diet! Some people have health problems which are a great part of life. We larger people have a life, too.
: Try being 6'3" and over 200 pounds Pfft. I'm 6'7" and 255 lbs. I have made several long trips in coach. Helps if you have an exit row, but it's bearab
: Sorry for going off-topic guys, Jmc777, Long time no speak! Could you please email me? I guess you still have my address? TIA Henry
: Its the same deal with DC-10's...normal is 9 across but the charters cram in 10 across... Greg
: What I've experienced (all coach): CO DC-10: 9 across, 2-5-2 UA 772: 9 across, 2-5-2 UA 744: 10 across, 3-4-3
: TG puts 10 seats across in 772s. Seats are wide but aisles seats paxs. Watch out!! But soon, it will be 3-3-3 in coach and 2-2-2 in Business class, sh
: Leskova, no idea why they did it. Just can tell you that all the seat are the same in the 3-3-3 and 3-4-3 section. And allocation of pax is not differ
: Hi Nethkt, Cathay used to have 2-5-2 in their 777-200s and with no PTVs. But now all the 772s have been changed to 3-3-3 and PTV's were installed.
: Flying BAs 772s in coach last month, the 3-3-3 arrangement was barely comfortable as far as width for me (average build, just shy of 200 lbs.). I had