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10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?  
User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 589 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

In a concurrent thread about BNA and its ability to land another international flight, a discussion about BA possibly pulling its service to TPA is taking place. I guess post-9/11, their future at TPA was questioned, but apparently they are doing better with this route and will be sending in 777s with a larger business class and potentially increasing the frequency from 5x a week to daily.

I was surprised to hear that for a long time, BA was using 777s with 10-across seating in coach. I didn't think that was possible! I can't imagine how uncomfortable that must be, especially for such a long flight! Does anyone know which other routes they are subjecting their coach passengers to cattle car conditions? Are any other airlines doing this?


Bill in ATL
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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7578 times:

Fly emirates: 10 across on the 777's.


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

Lauda also has parts of their 777s economy configured 3-4-3 (the rear half), the front half has 9 seats across (3-3-3 config).

Here's the seatmap:




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User currently onlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7455 times:
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Given the choice;

British Airways
9 abreast/31" pitch

or

Emirates
10 abreast/34" pitch

I'd take Emirates anyday. For most people the extra 3" for your legs is worth more than the loss in seat width...

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

And I'll take the AA 777. 9 across and 34" pitch.  Big grin

User currently offlineAMM744 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7229 times:

AA's got my vote on that, it's truly appalling to think that some airlines choose to configure their 777's with 10 a breast seating.

The 777 is at least a couple of feet narrower than a 747 and these are nearly always 10 across in coach.



User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7186 times:

Does British Airways still fly any 772s in a 3-4-3 configuration and if so, to what destinations? They were for the Caribbean, correct?

-Airplanetire


User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7170 times:

My sister-in-law told me once that she was on a flight JFK-FRA on LH that was 11 across. I asked her it could have been ten, but she swears it was 11. The only plane I can think of that could even remotely fit 11 across in LH's fleet would be a 744. I still think she might have miscounted (I am sure it might be easy to do in a packed 744). Has anyone heard of such a configuration?


Bill in ATL
User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7149 times:

TLHFLA, I'm no expert on past configurations, but I've never heard of an 11 abreast seating. Some planes will have expanded configurations (767 2-4-2, 777 3-4-3, A330 3-3-3) but I've never heard of a 747 having one. It's probably the only plane that could possibly do that, so I think your sister-in-law might have just miscounted.

-Airplanetire


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

Expect 3-5-3 on some high density A380 configurations.

Rumor has it QF is planning on that from the get-go.

N


User currently offlineGeneralA From Germany, joined May 2001, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7068 times:

I have flown Emirates A330 and 777 last October, and I found the 777 far more comfortable due to the slightly better legroom !

GeneralA


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

I flew yesterday on one of AA B777's from LHR-JFK and the 34" seat pitch is quite comfortable. I have also flown on NZ and the 34" pitch makes a great difference for long flights.

To tell the truth, the more room throughout coach (MRTC), some cheap fares and convenient schedules have made me fly AA more often... the cabin of their B777's is superior to other airlines.


User currently offlineJmc777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

BA no longer operate any 777's in the high density configuration of 3-4-3 in World Traveller. There were only 3 in the fleet, G-VIIO, G-VIIP & G-VIIR, which were operated from LGW to:

GCM
NAS
HAV
TPA
GND
TAB
UVF
ANU
CUN
MBJ
KIN


User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6686 times:

TLHFLA, your sister-in-law definitely miscounted.
There (fortunately) never was a plane in LH´s fleet that had a 11 abreast seating configuration. I guess she counted five seats in the middle row instead of four on a B747. Or maybe she was on a DC-10 first, which has five seats in the middle, and on a 747 afterwards and mixed things up a little.  Smile

Daniel


User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 655 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Leskova,

just a side note: Lauda operates one of the 777s (OE-LPC) with 3-4-3 in all sections, though a little bigger pitch. There is no seatplan neither on their website nor in the printed timetable.

KA.



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6630 times:

3-4-3 in a 777 sounds pretty hideous, unless it's full of people who have no upper body development. It'd be like doing longhaul in a CRJ!

Steve


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6538 times:

I remember flying on a 744 with LH that was 11 across too. I was in the middle seat. Granted I was a short 13 year old but still. It always pissed me off when my parents would get their seats at the counter instead of calling in. It is window or nothing for me. Quite frankley, all coach seats are too narrow for my shoulders, though since I have a small waist, I usually find a way to contort my body into the seat. However, I am now much taller and love to get exit row, or an unexpected upgrade to C (Thank you SR just before the switch to LX)


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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6515 times:

If you want to fly REAL CATTLE CLASS try a British charter airline like Monarch, JMC or MyTravel on there A330-200s.

As if a charter airlines legroom is not bad enough on a nine hour flight - a whole 28 inches. They manage to operate them with 9 across as opposed to 8 across on.

I have flown a couple of years back Manchester-Sanford Orlando with MyTravel and was the most uncomfortable flights I have taken. I am not overweight or tall but the seating is a complete joke and so cramped together.

I cant complain about the service we had seat back TV's, food was OK and cabin crew very friendly and I like the idea of the toilets below the main cabin in the hold area down a flight of steps.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

N1120A, as others have stated, LH has never operated aircraft with 11 seats across... I'll admit that their Economy Class does not, not even by a long shot, qualify as being even in the area of the most comfortable Economy Classes out there (or even close to anything comfortable at all) - but 11 across is too much even for them.

Gilesdavies, I know the feeling from SAA's A300s, which they - at least for the last few years (at least 1994 onwards) operated in a 3-3-3 config... quite awful - fortunately, CPT-JNB only lasts about two hours...

KA, really? I had never heard of that "all 3-4-3"-777... but as long as they've increased the pitch, I guess it's probably survivable... I never figured out why they actually have that split system of one part 3-3-3 and one part 3-4-3: do you know what that's about? Do they put pax on higher fares up front, while those on lower fares are put in back?


[Edited 2003-12-14 23:47:25]


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User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6210 times:

I recently flew Lauda on VIE-KUL-SYD in a 3-4-3 772 setup. To tell you the truth it wasnt all that different compared to being in another one of their 772's with 3-3-3 setup or a BA 772 with 3-3-3 setup. A long flight is a long flight, the only real difference it made was that the cabin in general was a lot more crowded and as it was a full flight being surrounded by that many people for 20 hours in a small space was bit like a zoo. However this aircraft of Laudas did have large PTV's, larger than on their other planes.

User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1483 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Thai Airways International operates theirs in 10-abreast seating too! Very narrow aisle bearing capable of letting the catering cart go by . . . so watch your shoulder, your elbow and your ear nearer the aisle.

I have travelled several times on these and now avoid them wherever possible. During my flights on TG's B777, I have seen collisions between catering cart and body parts . . . almost always accompanied by "Sorry Sir!!".

KC Sim
Bangkok


User currently offlineDLMHT From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

Speaking of 777s, what the hell is up with some of these airlines going 2-3-2 in Business class?

I flew AF awhile ago in Business, and was appalled to see a middle seat there. For that kind of money, shouldn't they all have either an aisle or window? I see that the above seat map has 3 across in the center too.

DLMHT


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

what the hell is up with some of these airlines going 2-3-2 in Business class?

SQ, AF, BA (even more), AA, etc... they all do it. What's the big shock?


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

on BA you get 2-4-2 in club world on 777s and 747s, but both of the middle seats have an exit way so that it is equivalent to having an aisle seat.

still i cant stand the new club world



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User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Try being 6'3" and over 200 pounds. I have to purchase a business or first ticket just to survive a long haul. Maybe this is some form of discrimimation, but the more cramped, the longer the flight, and nothing to eat - I guess this defines the term "cattle car." As long as people look at the bottom line (both airline management and passengers), those of us who are somewhat larger than the general population suffer. Ever had a major leg cramp at 35,000? It ain't fun! But then again, who cares? Sad commentary on man's respect and regard for all types of humanity. I guess if you're big, you just have to have more money to travel. And don't even think about telling me to go on a diet! Some people have health problems which are a great part of life. We larger people have a life, too.

25 Brons2 : Try being 6'3" and over 200 pounds Pfft. I'm 6'7" and 255 lbs. I have made several long trips in coach. Helps if you have an exit row, but it's bearab
26 BA777 : Sorry for going off-topic guys, Jmc777, Long time no speak! Could you please email me? I guess you still have my address? TIA Henry
27 USAFHummer : Its the same deal with DC-10's...normal is 9 across but the charters cram in 10 across... Greg
28 Petrouchka : What I've experienced (all coach): CO DC-10: 9 across, 2-5-2 UA 772: 9 across, 2-5-2 UA 744: 10 across, 3-4-3
29 Nethkt : TG puts 10 seats across in 772s. Seats are wide but aisles seats paxs. Watch out!! But soon, it will be 3-3-3 in coach and 2-2-2 in Business class, sh
30 Ka : Leskova, no idea why they did it. Just can tell you that all the seat are the same in the 3-3-3 and 3-4-3 section. And allocation of pax is not differ
31 Oxygen : Hi Nethkt, Cathay used to have 2-5-2 in their 777-200s and with no PTVs. But now all the 772s have been changed to 3-3-3 and PTV's were installed.
32 JMChladek : Flying BAs 772s in coach last month, the 3-3-3 arrangement was barely comfortable as far as width for me (average build, just shy of 200 lbs.). I had
33 Ryder10uk : try britannia 767 8 abreast
34 Jr : I flew on an EK 773 with the 10 abreast config last year. And trust me it was uncomfortable (and I am not even big). It may be ok for short hops assum
35 Flyinghighboy : A few years ago I flew EK from MEL-NCE and CDG-MEL, MEL-DXB-MEL was on the 773 and 772. 3-4-4, didn't feel uncomfortable at all, still prefered the A3
36 MaverickM11 : "Speaking of 777s, what the hell is up with some of these airlines going 2-3-2 in Business class?" Despite what Airbus tells you, there are plenty of
37 ContinentalFan : As far as business class seats go, Continental's 767s are da bomb: 2-1-2. The middle seat feels like you're sitting in a room all by yourself, with ai
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