John From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 6 Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3296 times:
MAINLINE jet service, not RJ or turboprop. I can't think of too many...mabe a few cities still on the NW route map? I know alot of DL's former Western routes out of SLC, have since gone to Connection service.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3266 times:
Good question tho if I might make a suggestion. The question is to vague, you need to have specific questions and not be so general, this is open to interpretation of the person reading the question. What makes a city small, one mans small is another ones large.
FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2260 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3242 times:
Well, the little town of Gypsum, Colorado has a population of 3,654 people however they see several 757-200s on a daily basis. Gypsum is home to Eagle County Airport, a wildly popular gateway to Colorado's many ski resorts. During the winter travel season, especially during the weekend, a slew of 757s from many of the nation's hubs arrive at EGE full of vacationers. The scenery does look quite spectacular, and it must be a rush flying in and out of there on a 757.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2810 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3194 times:
Funny you mentioned EGE, that's the first place I thought of when I saw the subject line. Probably the most mainline service per capita! Another is KOA, which gets UA and AA widebodies.
It is indeed a rush flying in and out of EGE. I have done it lots of times on both 757s and 146s to/from LGA, DFW, and DEN. On approach, there is beautiful mountain scenery, including the ski runs at Vail and then Beaver Creek on the left side. I love walking out the door and across the tarmac in the crisp mountain air. On takeoff, they usually run up the engines with the brakes still set, then let go. After a quick takeoff run, they make a sharp turn to avoid the mountain straight ahead.
Flairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3089 times:
Delta's unexpected cities...these are mainline/both mainline and connection:
Melborne, FL (kind of)
Ft. Walton Beach (kind of)
Dayton (kind of)
Pasco (they fly to ATL via SLC, OKC, TUL!)
Palm Springs (?)
an interesting note is that they DON'T fly mainline to Reno anymore!
it says Nassau is no longer mainline.... can anyone confirm?
can anyone confirm DL service (not worldwide partners) to the following Columbian cities:
FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2260 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2987 times:
I'd consider most of those Delta cities listed to be quite large. Dayton, Birmingham, Omaha, and Grand Rapids all have a metropolitan population of over 1 million people. All four of those cities also receive mainline service from airlines other than Delta.
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2852 times:
DAB is still mainline sadly due to the funeral trade.
Man, could you get any more obnoxious?
I'll take a stab at this. Lots of retirees down in DAB, most of which migrated from northern states. These guys eventually die (amazing isn't it?) and probably need to be buried up north, where they came from. It's a sad but true fact of life.
The CRJ's small cargo hold makes carrying a body impossible; therefore the much larger MD-88 is the only choice.
InnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 16 Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2690 times:
Heh... at the time I opened this message, I have on the top of a stack of reference material, a list of the metro areas in our game sorted by MSA population. Of course, the bottom of the list is places like Enid, OK (57,000), Casper, WY (63k) and Pocatello, ID (73k). But we are going to be going back through and adding places like the ones that were mentioned above... Eagle, Jackson Hole, etc. for exactly the reasons mentioned. O&D traffic is not exactly proportional to population.
In our game, we have the same passenger breakdowns as the real world. The first being what they all "VFR". This is not the aviation world's "visual flight rules" but rather "visiting friends and relatives". THAT is proportional to population for obvious reasons. The other categories are business, leisure and institutional. The latter reflects things like capitals and colleges. A town with a university or a capital city will get more traffic than a town of the same size population without those factors. Of course, all of those categories have their high and low weeks depending on what we are talking about. (The different types actually even have different times of the day that they prefer/need to travel... now THAT is a pain to statistically for an airline simulation!)
Anyway, the point being... it would surprise you as to the vast disparity between city size and passenger traffic at times.
Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
5280AGL From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 414 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2670 times:
Some of the cities listed (Birmingham, Omaha, Grand Rapids, and Dayton specifically) have close to or over a 1 million population, which are not small cities by any stretch of the imagination.
Here are cities that I would consider *small* that receive mainline service (some may have lost it by now):
Appleton, WI (Midwest)
LaCrosse, WI (NWA)
Rochester, MN (NWA, AA)
Cedar Rapids, IA (NWA, AA, UAL)
Duluth, MN (NWA)
Sioux Falls, SD (NWA)
Rapid City, SD (NWA)
Fargo, ND (NWA)
Grand Forks, ND (NWA)
Bismarck, ND (NWA)
Minot, ND (NWA)
Fayetteville, AR (AA)
Springfield, MO (AA)
Bloomington, IL (FL)
Traverse City, MI (NWA)
Saginaw, MI (NWA)
Kalamazoo, MI (NWA)
Great Falls, MT (NWA, DL?)
Eagle, CO (UAL, AA, DL, CO, NWA)
Burlington, VT (JBU)
MoPac From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 215 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2631 times:
In Texas, WN serves LBB, MAF, AMA, CRP, and HRL; the last two may not be all that small, but WN is the only mainline they get.
CRP is smallish (350,000 appx) but does indeed get CO mainline along with WN, currently just one CO 735 in the middle of 8 ERJs, but it seems that in the spring and summer they often put in more 737s in place of RJs.
InnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 16 Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2620 times:
Omaha is small? What a riot! Omaha is actually 64th on the MSA population list. Also, with all our Fortune 500 companies, we have a lot more air travel per capita than most places! We have 22 gates at Eppley... and we actually park about 25 a/c here overnight... most of which are 73s. We have direct service to:
MSP, DTW, MEM, ORD, DEN, IAH, STL, MDW, DFW, EWR, DCA, SNA, SLC, ATL, PHX, MKE, and likely a few others. Oh yeah... we DO get one prop... a B1900D from MCI. Everything else is RJs, 73s and some DC9s here and there (When is NWA going to get rid of those -9s?) Hell, UA was using 75s here for a while!
People are so silly....
Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
25 DLKAPA: AA seasonal to GUC, and I thought UA's service to EGE was all United Express from DEN. DLKAPA
26 B4real: The best example, in my opinion, of this answers to this question are the EAS (Essential Air Service) cities served by Alaska airlines. The range requ
27 RamerinianAir: In general the Airports that WN services are the alternate airports because they cost less to service. WN services ISP on Long Island instead of LGA o
28 BGR1962: "DAB is still mainline sadly do to the funeral trade" Sorry guys but as a funeral director I can tell you that no airline flies anyplace because of Hu
29 KYIPpilot: What about Hayden, CO? Or is that the one mentioned above? I remember flying into there on I think a NW 757 to go to Steamboat Springs.
30 Copaair737: JAC gets AA, NW, UA, CO and DL mainline from DEN, ORD, DFW, SLC, ATL, MSP, EWR, and IAH.
31 Serge: BIL gets NW and UA mainline. Don't forget DL with MD-90s and sometimes 738s...
32 Jeffrey1970: I believe Delta sometimes uses there MD-88's (I think) to Tallahassee. God bless through Jesus, Jeff
33 Garnetpalmetto: Well, despite flairport's putting CAE on a list of "unexpected" cities, I'd argue the exact opposite and question why we don't get more mainline servi
34 Startvalve: About the only mainline anything that flies into DAY is Delta with 757 and an MD80. AA sometimes runs a Fokker 100 in there but those are fast being r
35 InnocuousFox: "About the only mainline anything that flies into DAY is Delta with 757 and an MD80" You see... now THAT is odd. Dayton is the #51 MSA in the country.
36 UN_B732: Burlington gets jetBlue A320s. US Airways 737s and United Airbuses. But much less mainline than their used to be -UN
37 FlyCMH: Currently, the following airlines offer mainline service into DAY: Delta Air Lines: 7 mainline flights (6 MD-88s, 1 757-200) AirTran Airways: 6 mainli
38 Zrb2: Last I checked Syracuse,NY still got mainline Delta MD-80's while the larger airports down the road at ROC and BUF were transitioned to all CRJ's (wit
39 HlywdCatft: **NW flies the DC-9 between Detroit and Traverse City (pop. approx. 17,000)--of course TVC is a year-round resort destination.** Also for a similar re
40 FlyPNS1: Fort Walton Beach, Florida (VPS) is a relatively small market and they get mainline service from both NW and DL. NW brings in 3 DC-9's from MEM and DL
41 Ssides: It's kind of funny that DL has multiple MD88's into a place like VPS, yet a far larger market like BUF only gets RJ's from DL. This fact probably owes
42 Zrb2: What other mainline service does BUF get? They get some larger jets from: US Airways Continental Northwest Southwest JetBlue AirTran United They get r
43 InnocuousFox: Another misconception that is rearing its head here now is that "if city X and city Y are equal size, an airline should serve them equally." That is n
44 AZO: Kalamazoo/Battle Creek International Airport gets some mainline service (two or three) from NW (DC-9-30 or 50) about 3/4 of the year. Right now we don
45 Ssides: Right on, InnocuousFox. For example, if you think population is the only figure that should justify air traffic, look at these MSAs that are equal in
46 Ssides: To aid in the discussion, here is the 2000 Census ranking of MSAs in the US, ranked largest to smallest: http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-
47 Startvalve: That means considering Air Tran mainline. personally I have never seen those United 737s or those AA MD-80s in DAY. I have seen AA F-100s, CRJs and ER
48 Ssides: AirTran, ATA, Southwest, and Spirit should be considered "mainline" because they are able to fill large jets on a regularly scheduled basis. This is a