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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2550 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3361 times:
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Why are these two planes so close to each other? Isn't there a minimum vertical seperation limit? What about TCAS wouldn't that tell the pilots to steer away? Why are they flying so close?


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User currently offline3lions From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

I think they are further than they look.

User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

They're 1000 feet apart going the same direction... Nothing wrong with that..


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User currently offlineMCIB757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Yea, closer than she really is. Must be one nice lens. If you read the caption it says she's 1000 feet below them so that's safe.

Tom



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User currently offlineBig777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

Wow!  Wow! What a spectacular!  Big thumbs up

Big777jet



User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

If you think that is close, just wait till 2005 when RVSM starts.....!!!!!


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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

That photo is what RVSM will be like EMBQA...currently in the US its 2000 ft, but in that photo it is 1000 ft. which is what separation under RVSM will be...

Greg



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4189 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Also remember... the 747 is a big airplane..it looks closer than it really is because of that.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

You see that alot. If you ever fly to Asia from the US. When you get over Alaska. Look out your window. It is almost a scene out of the Jetson's. Biggest intersection in the sky.

Safe Flying  Smile



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User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

"Isn't This Dangerous?"

Only if the pilots start playing "Piggy Back" Big grin


User currently offlineBMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

I assume they are going at slightly different speeds, but one thing got me thinking.

What if the plane the photo is taken from "falls out of the sky" (sorry, don't know the proper english terminology) ?? Remember the JAL DC-10 that fell a couple of thousand feet due to clear air turbulence (?) Wouldn't that be a potential safety risk in congested airspace? If that happens to this A/C (or both), they would sure get uncomfortably close to each other!

Any airline pilots or passengers with experience from such an event?

regards,

johan




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User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

It's unlikely that one region of air will move suddenly downwards, whilst the region immediately below it stays stationary.



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User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

No!

ATC know what they are directing!




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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

"Isn't This Dangerous?"
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Only if someone on the "top" aircraft flushes the toilet!  Smile



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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

RVSM in europe is in effect for a while now and has proved to be no problem. friend of mine works at kastrup as ATC and says its np.


10=2
User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

One time, from ORD to DFW, I was over about STL and cruising south. I was in a left window seat and was just kinda staring down. We were just above a cloud layer so there was nothing to see... or so I thought. All of a sudden a 747 tears out of the clouds headed exactly the opposite direction just to the left of our track (which is why I could see it). The separation was obviously only 1000 at that point with likely about 800 kts closure speed and it freaked me out! I didn't even have time to move... I was still sitting there, forehead pressed against the window, but my eyes were wide open just staring at the place where the plane had been moments before!


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