Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4441 posts, RR: 43 Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2666 times:
From : www.justplanes.com
Is planning to initiate service from Nairobi to Detroit in June 04.
This will be possible after the delivery of the airline's new Boeing 777, the first one scheduled to arrive in Apr04. A 2nd Boeing 777 will be used on the Nairobi to Amsterdam route.
**Does this mean that MIAMI is no longer gonna be their 1st American destination. I guess the biggest benefactor here would be NWA giving them excellent access alongwith CO to sub saharan Africa.
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2582 times:
The only surprise is that KQ didn't choose NYC as its first USA gateway. KQ, NW and KL are partners (the latter owns a fourth of the company) and via codeshares, KQ can offer single-connection service to most of the USA via NW's largest hub. MIA was always a long-shot, as lobbyist groups would've provided subsidies (in the form of aircraft lease payments) to KQ while demanding that KL drops its stake in the airline. IMO, that wasn't going to happen...
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2550 times:
**Does this mean that MIAMI is no longer gonna be their 1st American destination. I guess the biggest benefactor here would be NWA giving them excellent access alongwith CO to sub saharan Africa.
Well, if they go ahead with plans for DTW-NBO (so far, the only source for the info is the acting sales manager of Kenya Airways in Malawi, who was quoted in the English-language Malawi newspaper, The Nation), yes, it does. DTW makes a lot more sense connection-wise. I would not rule out them considering Miami in the future, because it still offers a lot in terms of passenger traffic and, more importantly, cargo.
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2501 times:
Will this flight be non-stop in both directions??? According to the GCM its 7805 miles/6782 nm but since its east/west won't winds be a factor heading west?
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Haveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2338 times:
Maybe they'll stop in NYC or MIA to pick up passengers, even w/o 5th Freedom rights?
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2312 times:
My advice to the folks in DTW, don't get your hopes up too high, this early on based on an 'acting' sales manager published in a newspaper . Houston over the years has been the victim of many of these official press releases, articles and inside sources stating that IAH was to get EK, PK, AI, SQ (cargo) MS, well the list goes on. My motto is unless you see it sitting at your airport's gates, treat these rumors with a healthy dose of skepticism.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6083 posts, RR: 56 Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2216 times:
Seems a bit strange that this would be announced by an acting sales manager in a country that KQ doesn't even fly to currently, although this could be correct. Also, KQ will get their first 777 in May04, not Apr04 but would still be ready for service by June.
That would be quite a long nonstop flight and they may face problems with weight restrictions on the westbound leg. Perhaps a NBO-AMS-DTW would make more sense ?
Let's see what happens.
The777Man
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FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2806 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2217 times:
If the goal is to maximize domestic connections, then EWR might make more sense than DTW. A nonstop to DTW would cut off the major cities of the east coast, since I can't imagine many people would want to backtrack all the way to Detroit on their way to Kenya...
AZO From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 765 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2101 times:
For a flight of that length DTW-NBO, I'm sure a short hop from the east coast to DTW would be a huge problem for too many people.
Flyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2090 times:
Anyone who has gone through customs in the new World Gateway Terminal in DTW must admit. I would back track. Easy Easy Easy.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2806 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2044 times:
Actually, it would be quite circuitous to travel from the East Coast to Kenya via Detroit, as compared to existing routings:
NYC-DTW-NBO - 8300 miles
NYC-AMS-NBO - 7789 miles
Even from the West Coast, there would be no improvement over flying via Europe:
LAX-DTW-NBO - 9783 miles
LAX-AMS-NBO - 9718 miles
So, except for DTW O&D traffic, and various smaller cities in the Midwest, I'm not sure who would really benefit from a DTW-NBO nonstop.
Flyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1980 times:
FoxBravo:
You would not believe how many connections are on the AMS flight for Africa. I think it would be great for the Alliance and much more convient for the customer.
PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1950 posts, RR: 26 Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1943 times:
DTW-NBO is total fiction. It is going to be a codeshare with NW. KQ will not be flying their own aircraft to USA just yet. I've been told by reliable sources within KQ that if they were ever to start, which is highly unlikely, the only city they would ever consider would be NYC. The source of the Malawi article is likely to soon be the ex-acting manager of KQ.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1899 times:
The route seems feasible. Detroit has a large African population although I think I agree with the others when they're saying that they also want to get connecting traffic with NW's massive hub.
It'll be interesting to see what materializes.
Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1950 posts, RR: 26 Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1859 times:
This post is silly speculation on an erroneous report. The "acting" sales manager in Malawi has obviously not been on the job very long, and has not been brought up to speed with the concept of code-shares. KQ has absolutely no plans to fly to DTW with its own equipment. The B777 aircraft will be used on London and Amsterdam routes to boost badly needed capacity. If they ever decide to come to the USA (which would really be a mistake) it would be NYC.
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3725 posts, RR: 31 Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1853 times:
As for the "backtracking" through DTW to NYC issue... Contrary to popular belief held by some, the U.S. does not begin and end at the eastern seaboard BOS-NYC-WAS corridor. DTW, through KQ's codeshare opportunities with NW would "just happen" to open virtually every major market in the western 75% of the U.S.# on a one-stop basis (via connection) from NBO (southern Africa markets would also be connected through NBO). O & D traffic at DTW would probably be a small part of the picture for KQ if the route becomes a real deal. In the meantime, the BOS-NYC-WAS corridor (plus MIA) remains a one-stop service from NBO for KQ by way of KL/NW codeshare connections at AMS -- no need to backtrack!
So yes, DTW would make plenty of sense for KQ as its first (perhaps only) U.S. destination. Those who cling to the myth that the U.S. begins and ends with the metro malaise known as the BOS-NYC-WAS corridor would just have to live with KQ's "ill-advised" decision of "forcing" pax bound for these destinations to "backtrack" through DTW.
Whether NBO-DTW could be consistently flown non-stop westbound by 777-200ER/IGW equipment is a valid issue to consider.
# included in the western 75% of the U.S. are "no place" markets served non-stop from DTW by NW (hence KQ*) are: LAX, SNA, SFO, SJC, SAN, SEA, PDX, DEN, PHX, DFW, IAH, MCI, ORD, IND, MSP, amongst others.
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