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Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?  
User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5725 times:

I read the following from Justplane's web site:

Will soon be shopping for a replacement aircraft for its fleet of 29 Airbus A300s which the airline would like to replace between 2008 and 2010. Emirates is talking to Boeing about its 7E7 and may be interested in becoming one of the launch customers.
No doubt a typo; I'm sure it meant A330s.

Still its incredible that Emirates is already contemplating replacing the A330 at such an early stage even though of their A330 fleet is brand new.

Anybody have thoughts?


Boston, USA
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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8079 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Nonsense. The A330s are a great fit for the airline and compliment the heavier 777s perfectly. If anything, I'd expect them to add more. And yes I know EK like a young fleet but even by SQ standards the A330s aren't due for replacement for ages.


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User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

I doubt the news is true , the A330 is a magnificent plane and just ike Cedarjet says the plane compliements the 777 perfectly.


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User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

From experience the A330 fleet which Emirates is very fond of .. will not be retired nor sold anytime in the near future. The aircraft type is a wonderful fit for markets such as Munich, Dusseldorf, Colombo, and Mahe!

The passengers are very comfortable on the A330, complaints are near null when it comes to the comfort levels offered by the A330 and Emirates. Emirates, with its Worldy service affords no interuption in service quality be it a A330 or a 777. With the onslaught of A380's (43 or so), expect Emirates to eye Airbus for years to come!


Regards,


LHR001


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

I don't know what planet you naysayers are from, but there has been rumblings in the aviation press of 7E7 replacing A332 at Emirates. Whether you folks want to believe it or not is another matter.


Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

Perhaps YES!.... Perhaps NO!

The decision is up to the board at Emirates and more so... Perhaps, it is something in the press to give Boeing a bit of press coverage... Heaven knows they need it!



LHR001


User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

I would think they would be interested in replacing their Airbus 310-300s before the A330s.

Does anyone know how many A310-300's Emirates has and how old they are?

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

EmiratesA345,

If one is not mistaken, isnt the A310 fleet being replaced with the A330?



LHR001


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

There are two A310's and the only reason they are around is to fly the Peshawar flights. Otherwise they would not have them anymore. Something to do with getting any bigger planes into the airport.

User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

Don't know if those rumors are true or not. But if the 7E7 is ever built, I see no reason why EK wouldn't look at it, to replace its oldest A330s. The date given in the post is between 2008 and 10, in 5 to 7 years from now. According to EK standards, it is probably a realistic date.

My only concern is that is is the arrival time of most of the A380s. Will they have the ressources to pay for this new aircraft AND change relatively young planes at the same time?

Time will tell (And EK....)
Teva



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4684 times:
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It's not at all hard to believe that story. SQ traded in a few of their A340's for some new 777's a few years ago. Some of the Airbus's have some corrosion issues. Also, these state run/supported carriers are always spending huge amounts of money on aircraft they can't use. They want these big, elaborate planes/fleets to flex their muscles against US and some European airlines. The A380 is going to go on the second-hand market very fast. There will be no need for a plane that size in that many numbers for the region. The A380 will probably hang around in Asia for awhile, but eventually will be dumped by those carriers as well. The best bet for Airbus is the A340-500/600. Airbus should concentrate on smaller longer-range widebodies to be competitive. The 747 is dying off because airlines want fuel-efficient aircraft that they know they can afford to operate. That's a lesson most of the US carriers learned these past few years.


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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

I don't know what planet you naysayers are from, but there has been rumblings in the aviation press of 7E7 replacing A332 at Emirates. Whether you folks want to believe it or not is another matter.

Shit, I heard this too.. My mate who went on the Boeing factory tour told me, he said Emirates were going to buy the new Boeing because it was better than the old Airbus.

hehe Big grin


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if this happens given the fact that EK is so into having and extremely modern fleet.

The A330 is a truly new plane, but remember that the more EK keeps them, the more they loose value.

Regards,


Federico in SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineTom_eddf From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

@Jetjack: We all know that so far, the theory of the sudden death of the hub and spoke structure has not turned into reality and it is highly doubtful that it ever will, even in the long-term future.

It might be true for the US market driven by the deregulation etc., but it will never ever work in other regions with their overly congested airports and strong focus on environmental issues. Don't underestimate the effect on energy consumption, emissions and waste of ressources associated with the long-thin-point-to-point theory, we will not be able to afford it, not today, and with the european plans for cerosene taxation, it will be even less likely tomorrow.

I believe the structure of air traffic will not dramatically change over the next 20 years or so, and even the 747 is still alive as shown by Cathays efforts to buy more on the 2nd hand market. When the world economy recovers, there will be signifcant demand for A380 and 747 sized aircraft (which includes the A346/773ER as well) as well as for the A330/7E7 class, each on their individual missions.

My 0.02cents


User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

Jetjack74,
I strongly recomend that you read the posts about EK expansion. (there is almost 1 per week)
This will allow you to better understand why they buy so many planes.

They received capital from the Royal family to start. It was a one time. the rest ois the result of a good management.
The only advantage they have is that they are a tool for the Royal family in their strategy to prepare the after oil in Dubai. So, their strategy is coordinated with the construction of hotels, tourist resorts, business and events.
Don't forget this region has been an important trade point for milleniums. So, they have the "know-how"

That's why I cannot let you say
"Also, these state run/supported carriers are always spending huge amounts of money on aircraft they can't use. "
Or
"The A380 is going to go on the second-hand market very fast. There will be no need for a plane that size in that many numbers for the region."

And as a regular customer, I can tell you their planes are full (and you can verify it by looking at their financial reports on their web sites, and if you don't trust them, look at the statistics of the airport)

Teva



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4766 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

You guys didnt read the fine print on justplanes.com as it said that from 2008-10 onwards that EK will start to phase out its A 332s obviously the oldest models by that time will be around 12-15 years old.

I think that from 2010 onwards the A 332s will start to get slowly phased out in favour of B 7E7s...and not from 2008 onwards.

This means that expect EK to order around 3 dozen B 7E7s at least as their A 332 fleet numbers now 29 + add 7 for passenger traffic growth for the airline in 8 years...I wont be surprised at all if EK place an order for around 36-40 B 7E7s in different variations...basic-stretched-short range etc


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Also, these state run/supported carriers are always spending huge amounts of money on aircraft they can't use.

Emirates is a public company with financing from many of the world's major financiers. They received start up capital and not a penny going forward.

Emirates does have the advantage that, in Dubai, fuel is cheaper than water.

N


User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

EK is a press release machine backed by the deep pockets royal family of Dubai, so it's often hard to make sense of any news that comes out of there that isn't 100% for certain. 2010 is still 7 years away and as we've all seen, things in the Middle East and in the airline business in general can change very rapidly. I am sure alot of EK's future plans are contingent on continued double-digit growth in Dubai tourism, which seems a bit questionable if one looks out more than a couple of years. Dubai is a great place, and EK is a great airline, but I wouldn't put any weight on anything they announce that is more than a year or two away. These are people who would put out a press release saying they had bought Concordes to fly between Jumeirah Beach and the Deira City Centre if it would get them more publicity!!

User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

To all:

You guys can disbelieve all you want. This topic was posted here a couple of times last week. The report originated with Reuters and picked up on Yahoo.
It seems that Emirates even wanted to sign a letter of intent at the Dubai airshow, but Boeing declined.

Although nothing is written in stone about 7e7, this may not be the last time you read about a 7e7 for A332 order from a major carrier.

regards,

F4N


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

EK is a press release machine backed by the deep pockets royal family of Dubai, so it's often hard to make sense of any news that comes out of there that isn't 100% for certain.

As I posted right before you, that is utter bullshit.

N


User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

Gig, who are the major financiers other than the Al Maktoum family? If it is a public company, why is it not traded on any stock market, including the one in the UAE, where I lived for two years and where the locals widely perceive it as an instrument of the Dubai royal family? It's a quasi-governmental, royal entity, nothing wrong with that, but they don't have to play by the same rules as anyone else.

User currently offlineEmirates Skies From Australia, joined Nov 2001, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4323 times:


Many Emirates flights are full most of the time and the A380 will definitely come in handy for Emirates. One very clear example I can think of is the DXB-UK market. The same applies for the DXB-Australia/FRA/CDG/MUC/Saudi/India/Pakistan/Far East markets.

Emirates does not rely on Government bailouts.

Emirates has one A310 in the fleet. This is used on the DXB-PEW route as PEW cannot handle the A330 yet.

It seems to me very reasonable to believe that Emirates may well replace the present A330 fleet around 2008/2010.

Keep discovering,

Emirates Skies  Wink/being sarcastic





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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

All of Emirates purchases are funded by the international banking community, including Deutsche Bank, Citigroup, many Japanese investors, and other Middle Eastern banking interests.

N


User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

...And government entities use private funding for all sorts of things, even here in the US....Just because Citibank underwrites some bonds for, say, the State of New York to build a powerplant, it doesn't mean Citibank itself owns the powerplant (or that the bank owns the State), it just means they facilitated the transaction in their capacity as a financial institution. In other words, these banks are lenders (securitized I imagine by the aircraft), not investors in or owners of Emirates.

User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

For those who have any doubt about who owns Emirates, just take a look at the EK Group Annual Report. Typically, when an independent auditor signs off on the financial statements of a company, it addresses its report to the shareholders and directors of the company. If you own any stock, just look at the "independent auditors' report" in the next annual report you receive. The Audit Report of PricewaterhouseCoopers on EK's financial statements is actually addressed to the Government of Dubai.
It's all right here:
http://www.ekgroup.com/ANREP2003/pdf/Auditors_EK.pdf


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