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Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"  
User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6196 posts, RR: 24
Posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

The company may be announcing a new city here in the next month. Strong rumor from management source is that it will be Atlanta,Ga. This may be due to the codeshare on the brink of being inked. More info to follow once I get it.
ASSFO


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7841 times:

Are you sure about hear with the new city for next year of 2004? My guess that would like go to FLL or ATL.  Smile

User currently offlineLuv767s From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7790 times:

I'm guessing the new city would be a nonstop from SEA?


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7757 times:

Yeah, how about let added with the new nonstop to FLL or ATL and if the competition of MIA flight and those are quite doing very well on their way to MIA on AS. Please trying to come flying to FLL. Thanks!!!  Smile

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6196 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7716 times:

ScottyAir-yes, it would be from Seattle I would guess. The LAX-ATL market is flooded. As I stated above this would most likely be in connection with new codeshare arrangements. I doubt you will see FLL anytime soon. MIA and MCO do very well, but I don't think Alaska can support another A/C in the region. Yes, Im sure about hearing about another city for 2004, that why I started the thread! We have announced no other city's for 2004.
ASSFO



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

That would be too cool! ATL sure could use the competition, codeshare or not. There's more to ATL than just DL...... Smile


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User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7493 times:

Alaska is a great airline with outstanding employees. I am sure where ever they go next. They will be welcomed. Much success AS.

Safe Flying Smile



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User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7423 times:

How are their routes to BOS and EWR doing? It appears that at least the EWR route is doing well because they added a second N/S. Wasn't the second N/S supposed to be seasonal?

Dave


User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7402 times:

The new city is gonna be SLC. (they allready leased the gates)

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6196 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7388 times:

COEWRNJ-Loads on all east coast flight are very good. We are in the down time before X-mas, but loads are hanging strong. This morning Flt. 8 departs 12/67 out of 12/108. Over all when travel is good though, the east coast flight were running at 85-90% load factor. Not half bad! Newark does very well and Boston, if I'm not mistaken are the top 2 in load factors. Are pilots still get a chuckle when they call us "Alaskan" by center. Only in NY!
ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7348 times:

Actually, let me drop this in... rumor around HERE has it that OMA was trying to court another carrier. Alaska was one of the ones mentioned - and makes the most sense to me. One thing we are short on is westerly options.


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User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7239 times:

didn't they announce recently that AS is taking over LGB from QX? Does this count as a new city?

(yeah yeah, i know they used to fly there in the early nineties...)

FA4UA



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User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7181 times:

Any news?
before I left I thought there was supposed to be an announcment on monday.

I do hope its ATL or SLC. SLC seemed to be the most requested city from pax, and either would be great if a codeshare w/ DL was ever announced.



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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7170 times:

As739x, are there still range(weight penalty) restrictions on the MIA run with the 737-900? Just curious. Also, what reservations system does AS use? Thank you.

User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13754 posts, RR: 61
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7149 times:
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I've been hearing ATL for awhile, but PHL and SLC have been talked about as well. This DL codeshare rumor has been going strong for at least a month now. Any word on when (or if) these announcements are coming down? I'd venture to guess you won't see anything before Christmas, knowing this company's nature.

But then again...



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7113 times:

I can only pray it's SLC. It would be nice to have a little competition in that market. Currently the only 2 carriers that offer non-stop service from SEA-SLC are WN and DL. And given that DL just killed the SLC hub, there should be plenty of room for AS to move in.

The rumor I heard was that SEA-SLC-PHX would be the new flight for AS.


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6196 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7095 times:

John-Yes, we have year round restrictions due to the summer storms and winter jetstream on the 739, but it not very much. I have talked to a pilot who have got out of MIA with only 2 seats open, intereseting what their fuel was when they arrived in EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA. As of late, the EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA-MIA-EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA has been a 73G which can easily handle this flight, so no restrictions needed. The CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO-EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA flight seems to be right at the edge of the envolope of max capacity and non-stop flights.
EA CO AS- R, where you been? Don't see you on first class much. I agree I think the codeshare will be after the year knowing AS. I was told ATL by someone in the planning office, we actually have got to hear a few good things! I won't bet my house, but ATL seems close.Take care.
ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13754 posts, RR: 61
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7066 times:
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EA CO AS- R, where you been? Don't see you on first class much.

The flu bug paid me a visit, keeping me out of the office for the past week or so.  Angry




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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13754 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7015 times:
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By the way, among other rumors for January, 2004:

- large reductions in average handling time (AHT) for reservations through streamlined call procedures

- a "if you don't want to pay now, you can't book now" policy

- major simplification of the fare structure and fare rules

- a focus on lowering CASM through increased longhaul flying



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6196 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6994 times:

Welcome to the club, I had the flu this past week also. Has taken our whole station by storm, but itslooking better now!. Hang in there.
ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6948 times:

John - AS uses SABRE for res and departure control, front ended by an in house developed GUI called IMAGE.

RE: SLC vs ATL - I'd expect Atlanta over Salt Lake, at least for AS mainline. ATL would fit in line with the recent pattern of introducing longhaul segments w/ one or two frequencies, and if tied to a codeshare, would be in line w/ similar arrangements on the EWR and BOS routes w/ CO and AA. To be effective against WN in the SEA-SLC market, 3-4 frequencies would need to be started from day one. On the other hand, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see QX offer SLC in the near future. This is the #1 offline station asked for in QX Res.

Rgds
Duane



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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6925 times:

"And given that DL just killed the SLC hub"

Holy crap! When did THAT happen?



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

Duane -

If QX were to offer SLC service, which aircraft do you think would be used for this run? I would assume the CRJ-700...



I wouldn't mind the Q400, just as long as it's not the Q200. Please not the Q200....


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

"And given that DL just killed the SLC hub"

Holy crap! When did THAT happen?


It happened a month or two ago I think. I mean, it's not dead, but it's severely mauled. I think it's more of a "focus city" now then a hub.

Example:

SEA-SLC:

Previously 5x or 6x Daily
763's - twice a day
73x's (733's & 738's) - 3 or 4 tiimes a day
752's - once a day

Now: 4x daily
(No more 763's or 752's)

73X's - twice a day
MD-90 - once a day
CRJ-200 (DL Connection) - once a day


So when you consider the total loss of seats from moving from 763's to CRJ's, the number of DL seats between SEA & SLC is probably half to two-thirds of what it was; beginning in January.


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

You gotta wonder if WN is going to grab a few more gates there?


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25 Post contains images BCAInfoSys : Possibly.. but I hope not. I'm not a big fan of WN. That's why if I want to preserve some semblance of a non-stop from SEA-SLC without flying WN, I am
26 EA CO AS : You gotta wonder if WN is going to grab a few more gates there? Probably not. Remember, when WN bought Morris Air and suddenly had large operations at
27 InnocuousFox : You gotta love cheap gate space, though. Also, that helps them out with connections. They have a large gap from the MDW, STL, Texas line down tie PHX,
28 Srbmod : With ATL only currently being a codeshare with AA out of ORD, I think 2 RTs SEA-ATL could be possible. But on the other hand, it could backfire on the
29 Graham697 : How about the neglected TPA? graham at TPA America's Favorite Airport
30 Post contains images ScottysAir : I don't think AS won't not going to TPA yet and they keeping trying to the new city for next year of 2004 and hopefully, they will additional more new
31 EA CO AS : No OMA for AS then? No, but in the officer group's "Alaska 2010" presentation of future growth from this summer, OMA was mentioned as a possibility d
32 As739x : No 767-300 on SLC-SEA? I show a 705p and a 1020p departure form SLC to SEA tonight, both 763's. Flight #1234 (hard one to remember) and flight #229. A
33 EA CO AS : No 767-300 on SLC-SEA? I show a 705p and a 1020p departure form SLC to SEA tonight, both 763's. Flight #1234 (hard one to remember) and flight #229. P
34 As739x : Oh, ok so its future. I was looking at today, then was scrtching my head...Thanx R!
35 Post contains images EA CO AS : No problem! By the way, there's STILL no word on expanded CUN service yet, from what I hear.
36 BCAInfoSys : Any word on when we can expect the annoucement? Are we talking long-term or short-term?
37 MAH4546 : How about the neglected TPA? In the case of Alaska Airlines, it is not being neglected. The market between Tampa and Seattle is minimal. What Tampa re
38 AS739X : The market from SFO to TPA is also minimal. You won't see Alaska on that route, I bet a paycheck! ATA coudn't make it work. For SFO any new city's I'm
39 Graham697 : Well, it would be minimal since ATA doesn't serve TPA, those rebels. graham at TPA America's Favorite Airport
40 Kohflot : I know AS probably doesn't want to step on toes.. but I would think SEA-ORD and SEA-IAH would be more successful than SEA-ATL....
41 InnocuousFox : "but I would think SEA-ORD and SEA-IAH would be more successful than SEA-ATL...." Isn't UAL pretty heavy in SEA, though? I would suspect that they hav
42 Post contains images Aloha717200 : The new city is SLC guys. Some of the others might make it ont Alaska's routemap as well, but SLC is, as far as I know, already in the bag. They lease
43 Copaair737 : I would guess SLC too, with maybe a 737 or M80 from SEA, and possibly QX Q400s from PDX. Would it make any sense for AS to start service to DFW, as it
44 BCAInfoSys : Aloha717200 - I flew United Express (Skywest CRJ-200) the other day, which left from gate B7. When I was there, I noticed that the gate just across th
45 Aloha717200 : That's odd, the SLC website lists the jetblue gate as being A9. While the United gates are the odd-numbered gates on the B concourse. Listing for Unit
46 Copaair737 : I saw the America West Express and United Express at the B gates. The gates were lowered down.
47 Lhr001 : If the Delta Airlines tie-up rumor are true look for Atlanta or Cincinatti! LHR001
48 Post contains images BCAInfoSys : The jetways on B can actually be lowered to CRJ level? I've never seen that in person there. Yep Aloha, I've seen it, and been on it! Except the littl
49 Post contains images Searpqx : Aloha717200 - was it ever established that AS actually leased these gates new or are they the holdovers from Horizon's service several years ago (I kn
50 DSMav8r : Don Smithey (Omaha Airport Authority Executive Director), is of course trying to court new airlines. Alaska is definetely in the rumor mill, along wit
51 EA CO AS : The proposed new city that has most tongues wagging has always been SJO (nonstop from LAX), although I think the prospects for that service dimmed a b
52 InnocuousFox : DSM... welcome to my respected list. Nice analysis of OMA! I didn't notice that AA had finally gotten rid of the STL route. It used to be that TWA wou
53 Dash8tech : If QX were to offer SLC service, which aircraft do you think would be used for this run? I would assume the CRJ-700... I wouldn't mind the Q400, just
54 Aaway : EA CO AS, Off the topic briefly....LAX-SJO was to be op'd by AA. The service, and announcement of, has been postponed.
55 EA CO AS : Off the topic briefly....LAX-SJO was to be op'd by AA. Perhaps AA intended to start this service in addition to Alaska Airlines, but I can assure you
56 FATFlyer : DSMav8r, I would be surprised if Allegiant ended up adding OMA. They have been been looking at a number of cities (about 20) with no current service t
57 Post contains links EA CO AS : Slightly off-topic...AS and AA have petitioned the DOT for expanded codesharing between the two carriers: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031217/daw019_1.
58 MAH4546 : Off the topic briefly....LAX-SJO was to be op'd by AA. The service, and announcement of, has been postponed. That's too bad. I had been hearing alot a
59 FoxBravo : I wonder if this expanded codeshare will mean the end of AS's relationship with NW and CO. Skyteam is getting awfully crowded...
60 SunValley : Aloha, It is gate B2 that will be the new Alaska Gate, and it is said that the routing will be SEA-SLC-PHX. As far as B6, they moved to gate B8 in Jul
61 DSMav8r : FATflyer, I agree, strategically, it wouldn't fit Allegiant's "plan" to enter a market like OMA that already has nonstops to LAS (specifically WN). Th
62 Aloha717200 : Excellent news SunValley. I'm curious, which airlines use which gates on the "vacant" B gates that I mentioned (which apparently aren't vacant at all.
63 SunValley : The gates at the end of the A concourse became so busy with the likes of Jet Blue, Frontier, & Continental, there we so many people in the end of the
64 SuperDash : Get out your maps boys and girls....It's Comox http://www.nanaimobulletin.com/ Nanaimo Airport grounded by rival Comox By Darrell Bellaart the news bu
65 Post contains images Aloha717200 : All fascinating. I do remember seeing a Continental 737 at gate A6 last time I was at SLC. It was in the morning, about 10:30am, and that was in mid-J
66 Post contains images Aloha717200 : Superdash, I think service to SLC will begin long before June. Sunvalley, was my guesswork correct?
67 BCAInfoSys : Hey Aloha - B7 is a United Express gate, not mainline United. That was the gate I flew out of on a CRJ-200.
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