Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4300 times:
Is anybody really surprised that they are adding this flight? Please, HP is going into and or after AA's lucrative trans con market. Good for HP to be adding these flights, point to point is going to be added more and more in the future I believe, especially in markets such as this that will support the flights that by pass the hubs. The flying public likes these flights.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7897 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4251 times:
I would hardly say a single 757 counts as retribution for America West flying a few A319s on transcons. From the timing of the flight it looks like it is setup to connect to American's main transatlantic bank, what is left of it I should say.
Delta has one n/s, American has one n/s, America West has 3. Not to mention that America West has far more feed potential on the PHX side than AA does on the JFK side.
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FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4196 times:
Actually, it's two nonstops. And I don't think either is designed to feed international connections. It seems pretty obvious that the idea is to chip away at HP's traffic on JFK-PHX until HP throws up its hands and drops its transcons. Which, I might add, are fairly significant in that they are the only low-cost nonstops to connect the major airports of JFK and LAX (note that UA and DL are not low-cost, CO flies out of EWR, WN flies out of ISP and not nonstop, and B6 flies to LGB). Whether AA's move will be successful remains to be seen, but it wouldn't be the first time...
Ducker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4090 times:
This isn't really that new...In the regulated 1970's, AA flew 707's and DC-10's non-stop JFK-PHX. In fact, the DC-10 (AA 187) continued to TUS. I am looking at the Jan., 1979 AA timetable online(http://www.geocities.com/airohio/American012079_Page5.html) I would think that currently there should be lots of point-to-point traffic, as the Phoenix metro area is something like the sixth largest in the US, as well as seasonal traffic in the winter.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4011 times:
Well, it is very good to hear for AA is getting new nonstop from JFK-PHX flight and now, the customers will goes on the transcontinental flight and make additional more flight from international flight out of JFK.
JeckPDX From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3863 times:
HP has been flying PHX-JFK for years. I am looking at an in-flgith magazine from April 1996, right after they introduced their current paint scheme and the route map in the back shows JFK as a destination from PHX. Its intereting to see another major finally pick this up and add a flight.
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ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3820 times:
EA CO AS,
How you thought know that about AA was using with nonstop from JFK-PHX from mid-80s? Which one is got make dropped with these flight to PHX before and now, which one is already restarts with those nonstop from JFK-PHX flight. Are you still think remember of AA history with these nonstop out there.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3728 times:
AA flew the JFK-PHX route for years and years, as mentioned, with 707s and DC10s; TWA also flew the JFK-PHX route with 707s, L1011s and 762s for many many years........AA and TW were the main players in the NYC-PHX market until America West arrived in the ealy 1980s. Its not really a surpirse that AA is re-entering this route: I am sure that America West starting the trancon services gave AA a push, but the AA JFK-PHX flights fit into AA's trancon route scheme out of JFK, will AA flights JFK-LAS follow?
America West has flown from JFK to PHX (and LAS) using a mix of 757 and A32X aircraft, and also saw 747 service for a time when America West operated 2 of the type.
In the early 1990s, America West also operated a JFK-SNA nonstop (for a few months) with a 757....they did not do well with the route, and this was when HP was having major financial problems and closed the route down....I think that they were just ahead of their time.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34579 posts, RR: 70
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3385 times:
Of note is that AA also adds it's 10th JFK-LAX flight on a 767. I guess this is the beginning of thier 7% growth for 2004!
That is not really of note. All American Airlines trans-cons from JFK to LAX and SFO use 767-200ERs exclusively because they are outfitted in a 3-class configuration with AA's Flagship domestic service, which is used only on JFK-LAX, JFK-SFO, and one MIA-LAX flight.
Lhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3342 times:
What excellent news for the city of Phoenix!
Keep in mind that America West has a very lucrative clientele base at Phoenix. Perhaps the one that will loose out in the Phoenix market will be Continental Airlines as they service Newark, are no longer connected with America West Airlines. In addition American Airlines lest you not forget offer morning, noon, and evening flights to the Caribbean. Morning, and evening services to London. And evening connections via JFK to Zurich, Paris, Frankfurt, Sao Paulo, and Buenos Aires.
In Summer 2004... American Airlines will connect Phoenix via JFK to Rome, Brussels and quiet possibly Barcelona! These all would be in direct competition with Continental Airlines with the expception of Barcelona which Continental Airlines does not serve! Dont expect all of the traffic to be O & D. A very large chunk of HP traffic on the route are international connections as well! If one was Continental Airlines.... one should be a bit scared!
Admluvs2fly From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3284 times:
I have a question about the geocities site.
Ducker had put up a site for an old AA timetable. If someone could direct me to a site or any site that shows old timetables like that, then i would greatly