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AA Announces Nonstop JFK-PHX  
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031216/datu040_1.html

Wow, looks like AA is responding to HP's invasion of its transcon "turf"...


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

Is anybody really surprised that they are adding this flight? Please, HP is going into and or after AA's lucrative trans con market. Good for HP to be adding these flights, point to point is going to be added more and more in the future I believe, especially in markets such as this that will support the flights that by pass the hubs. The flying public likes these flights.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

I would hardly say a single 757 counts as retribution for America West flying a few A319s on transcons. From the timing of the flight it looks like it is setup to connect to American's main transatlantic bank, what is left of it I should say.

Delta has one n/s, American has one n/s, America West has 3. Not to mention that America West has far more feed potential on the PHX side than AA does on the JFK side.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

It may not be a total surprise, but it's nice to see AA putting up a fight. I wonder if this might cause HP to rethink its decision to enter the transcon market.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Also let us not forget the flights offered from EWR on CO and ISP on WN.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Actually, it's two nonstops. And I don't think either is designed to feed international connections. It seems pretty obvious that the idea is to chip away at HP's traffic on JFK-PHX until HP throws up its hands and drops its transcons. Which, I might add, are fairly significant in that they are the only low-cost nonstops to connect the major airports of JFK and LAX (note that UA and DL are not low-cost, CO flies out of EWR, WN flies out of ISP and not nonstop, and B6 flies to LGB). Whether AA's move will be successful remains to be seen, but it wouldn't be the first time...


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1396 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

From the timing of the flight it looks like it is setup to connect to American's main transatlantic bank, what is left of it I should say.

Then they'll perhaps benefit from LH leaving the PHX market...



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

I think HP will be fine. They have a very loyal following and there fare structure is popular with business flyers that will fill these seats....


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineDucker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

This isn't really that new...In the regulated 1970's, AA flew 707's and DC-10's non-stop JFK-PHX. In fact, the DC-10 (AA 187) continued to TUS. I am looking at the Jan., 1979 AA timetable online(http://www.geocities.com/airohio/American012079_Page5.html) I would think that currently there should be lots of point-to-point traffic, as the Phoenix metro area is something like the sixth largest in the US, as well as seasonal traffic in the winter.
Ralph


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Well, it is very good to hear for AA is getting new nonstop from JFK-PHX flight and now, the customers will goes on the transcontinental flight and make additional more flight from international flight out of JFK.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13507 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3361 times:
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AA had several JFK-PHX flights until the mid 80s. I personally flew them on this route using B-707 equipment.


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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

Now that they are trying to get America West out of their turf in LA, do you think we'll see any non-stops to LAS to go up against HP, B6 & Song?


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User currently offlineJeckPDX From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3229 times:

HP has been flying PHX-JFK for years. I am looking at an in-flgith magazine from April 1996, right after they introduced their current paint scheme and the route map in the back shows JFK as a destination from PHX. Its intereting to see another major finally pick this up and add a flight.

Brgds

JeckPDX



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3185 times:

HP has been flying PHX-JFK for even longer than that...they started sometime in the 80s.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3186 times:

EA CO AS,

How you thought know that about AA was using with nonstop from JFK-PHX from mid-80s? Which one is got make dropped with these flight to PHX before and now, which one is already restarts with those nonstop from JFK-PHX flight. Are you still think remember of AA history with these nonstop out there.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13507 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3106 times:
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Scotty -

Huh? I'll assume you meant, "How did you know what AA was using on their nonstop JFK-PHX flights in the 80s?"

The answer is that I flew JFK-PHX on AA B-707 equipment many times during the early to mid 80s.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3094 times:

AA flew the JFK-PHX route for years and years, as mentioned, with 707s and DC10s; TWA also flew the JFK-PHX route with 707s, L1011s and 762s for many many years........AA and TW were the main players in the NYC-PHX market until America West arrived in the ealy 1980s. Its not really a surpirse that AA is re-entering this route: I am sure that America West starting the trancon services gave AA a push, but the AA JFK-PHX flights fit into AA's trancon route scheme out of JFK, will AA flights JFK-LAS follow?

America West has flown from JFK to PHX (and LAS) using a mix of 757 and A32X aircraft, and also saw 747 service for a time when America West operated 2 of the type.

In the early 1990s, America West also operated a JFK-SNA nonstop (for a few months) with a 757....they did not do well with the route, and this was when HP was having major financial problems and closed the route down....I think that they were just ahead of their time.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3002 times:

Of note is that AA also adds it's 10th JFK-LAX flight on a 767. I guess this is the beginning of thier 7% growth for 2004!

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

I flew JFK-PHX nonstop in 1980, on a 707 on AA!



User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

TWA did JFK PHX on an L1011...

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Of note is that AA also adds it's 10th JFK-LAX flight on a 767. I guess this is the beginning of thier 7% growth for 2004!

That is not really of note. All American Airlines trans-cons from JFK to LAX and SFO use 767-200ERs exclusively because they are outfitted in a 3-class configuration with AA's Flagship domestic service, which is used only on JFK-LAX, JFK-SFO, and one MIA-LAX flight.



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User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

What excellent news for the city of Phoenix!

Keep in mind that America West has a very lucrative clientele base at Phoenix. Perhaps the one that will loose out in the Phoenix market will be Continental Airlines as they service Newark, are no longer connected with America West Airlines. In addition American Airlines lest you not forget offer morning, noon, and evening flights to the Caribbean. Morning, and evening services to London. And evening connections via JFK to Zurich, Paris, Frankfurt, Sao Paulo, and Buenos Aires.

In Summer 2004... American Airlines will connect Phoenix via JFK to Rome, Brussels and quiet possibly Barcelona! These all would be in direct competition with Continental Airlines with the expception of Barcelona which Continental Airlines does not serve! Dont expect all of the traffic to be O & D. A very large chunk of HP traffic on the route are international connections as well! If one was Continental Airlines.... one should be a bit scared!


LHR001


User currently offlineImisspiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

"What excellent news for the city of Phoenix!"

Why? Sorry but AA flying the route, again, means nothing.



Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineAdmluvs2fly From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

I have a question about the geocities site.
Ducker had put up a site for an old AA timetable. If someone could direct me to a site or any site that shows old timetables like that, then i would greatly
appreciate it.

admluvs2fly


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Imisspiedmont....


You are saying that American Airlines flying the route 2x daily is nothing!

Sorry.... you may be mistaken!


LHR001


25 AV8AJET : I wouldn't be surprised if Delta switches from DL mainline service to SONG, on the PHX - JFK flight. DL had the 763 on the route for a while but now i
26 Zrs70 : I remember in 1984 or 1985 flying JFK-PHX on a 767. One of my first times in that bird!
27 FoxBravo : I agree that JFK-PHX seems like a prime candidate for Song. I can't imagine there's much higher yield traffic on that route than there is to LAS, whic
28 EA CO AS : In addition American Airlines lest you not forget offer morning, noon, and evening flights to the Caribbean. As does Continental Airlines via EWR. Unl
29 Flyboyaz : I think it's great they are flying that route...certainly makes sense for them considering the large operation they have in JFK. HP is long establishe
30 Aaway : Actually AA has a loyal customer base in the PHX/TUS area. I think AA will be successful with this route - even if it means modifying their typical fa
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