Chi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 972 posts, RR: 5 Posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5221 times:
I was just wondering if any one else thought that the Embraer 170 is awesome? I haven't really heard much about this aircraft but, it looks really nice. I have heard some rumors that Southwest is looking to purchase some 170's? Any one know if any airlines have an 170's on order? How successful will this aircraft be?
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3476 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5153 times:
I believe that this is the aircraft that will save US Airways. It's small enough for most of their short range routes, and yet not too small so they cannot generate significant amounts of yield to keep the pockets full. The size will seem very appropriate for flights less than 1.5 hours.
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5109 times:
I really do like this a/c. I saw one of the prototypes here @ ATL a few months back (rumor has it Delta was looking at it) and I really think that Embraer could have an a/c family that will find a home in a lot of airlines' fleets. These a/c fit perfectly in between the largest RJs allowed in most scope clauses and the smallest a/c in most airlines' fleet.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5057 times:
Where did you hear about Delta is rumors about EMB-170 or 190. Whatever if they make decision of these new planes in the future. Hopefully, this will have orders with the new EMB-170 for another airlines and when US Airways will start deliveries for next year of 2004? Can you please comfirmed with these new planes on their way. Thanks!
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5010 times:
Also..........You should start to see the first of the USAirways Embraer 170's anyday now too. The FAA has issued the 'Provisional' Type Certificate on the aircraft allowing USAirways to start Proving Runs, Pilot, Maintenance and Operational Training.
EMBRAER 170 GAINS FAA PROVISIONAL TYPE CERTIFICATE
Embraer today announced it has been granted provisional type certification by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) for the EMBRAER 170 airliner. Final type certification is expected in February 2004.
The approval clears the way for operators to begin crew training and route proving flights prior to putting the aircraft into revenue service once final certification is granted. The FAA certification follows a similar move in November by the Brazilian airworthiness authority, Centro Técnico Aeroespacial (CTA). Embraer and US Airways are currently discussing details regarding delivery dates for the first several aircraft.
“This approval by the FAA of the technical merits of the EMBRAER 170 is another important step toward full certification of the aircraft and entry into service for our customers,” said Luis Carlos Affonso, Embraer’s Senior Vice-President, Engineering and New Products Development.
US Airways is the launch customer in North America for the new EMBRAER 170, the first model in a new family of 70- to 110-seat airliners developed by Embraer. US Airways ordered 85 aircraft in May, and has options for 50 additional EMBRAER 170s.
As of September 30, 2003 the EMBRAER 170/190 family had 245 firm orders and 308 purchase options from Air Caraïbes, Alitalia, Cirrus, GECAS, JetBlue, LOT, SWISS and US Airways.
[Edited 2003-12-17 00:08:51]
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MD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4515 times:
It's a very nice, very cool looking aircraft. It does bear some resemblance to me to the A319/A320 aircraft, especially the wing and the engines look like CFM engines. From the buzz the 170/175/190/195 family is generating, looks like it's gonna be a big winner for Embraer.
Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3176 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4422 times:
It was just certified on the 8th of this month. Alitalia and US Airways are lauch customers and should be flying them in the next few months.
I had the luxury of going on a demo flight when it was in STL. The seats that are pictured above not only look nice, but they are incredibly comfortable. Very ergonomic. Also, you have much more room than the 33" pitch indicated. This is because the seats are mounted to the fuelage and the floor at the isle. There is no seat post in the middle of the two seats like most aircraft have. It is incredibly quiet, took off like a bull with gas, and has state of the art EVERYTHING. This aircraft is what the hub and spoke system needs. Low cost, high frequency, and can hit almost any city pair in the US. I can't wait to see these in service.
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 7210 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4344 times:
Another part of the reason why the seat felt 'incredibly comfortable' is because it is 1.25 inches wider than the standard economy Boeing seat on a 737, 757, 767 or 747. Plus with the wider aisle and the 2+2 seating, there is more personal space - and no middle seats. When I first went through the economy cabin of the E170, it struck me as being more like the business class seating than the economy seating of a 737.
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MoodyBlues From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 142 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4248 times:
It sure is a nice looking little plane, I saw a bit on it when Discovery Wings had an episode covering the recent Paris Air Show. Looked like it handles real nice, and it had an attractive look, as the pics here demonstrate.
If the rumors about Southwest (WN) showing interest are true, then it must be a _very_ impressive plane, for them to consider a mixed fleet after 30 years of straight Boeing, and only 737s at that, except for those brief experiments with 727s in the 1980s.
Wonder how she would look in Canyon Blue?
As for U.S. Airways, I hope it does pull them out of the hole they are in. I have a customer/friend who works for them @ PBI, and though I razz him about working for them, I would hate to see them fail.
N102daman From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4193 times:
Ahhhh yes the rumor mill runneth over. Delta is way to committed to the CRJ. And are not at all looking at the EMB170. EMBraer was looking at the Delta Connection carriers as potential customers but coming straight from the horses mouth as some say. Delta is not looking at it. Just to let yall rest a bit easier.
It is a really nice aircraft looks solid and really comfortable. Hope to see one someday maybe even fly on one.
just my two cents worth
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MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8530 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4122 times:
I bet if Delta ever wound up operating the EMB-170 it would be under the Delta Connection banner, and not as a mainline aircraft. If the unions agreed, if not, then maybe.
I agree that I don't think Delta or Comair/ASA/whomever are going to buy any anytime soon, but having regular 50 seat CRJs and the EMB-170 is an okay fleet mix, in my opinion. They'd get rid of the CRJ-700, though, because the EMB-170 is so much more comfortable.
Ahsanf28 From Bangladesh, joined Mar 2002, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4059 times:
Embraer 170 is a really smart looking commuter aircraft. It's sleeker than other similar regional jets in operation today. I do believe this aircraft along with its bigger sibling -190 will be successful in the commuter market because of its passenger pleasing features and good economics of Embraer aircraft in general.
Captaink From Grenada, joined May 2001, 5119 posts, RR: 10
Reply 25, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3973 times:
I think it is fabulous aircraft. I am so amazed by the comfortable looking cabin. IT would be really great on some routes that are presently served by A319/20 and 737's. I hope this helps out US AIrways. They can use them at their IT / KPIT), USA - Pennsylvania">PIT hub, and some of those flights out of PHL to neighboring NE cities.
DO you think this aircraft will do well as part of US Airways Shuttle? I think the size is perfect. The range is good. The capacity is better suited for this route than the airbus' and Boeing in my opinion.