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Large Markets Without ANY International Service  
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

I was just curious to know some of the largest US markets without any international air service, even to Mexico and Canada. I know AUS is probably at the top of that list, it used to get a daily Air Canada flight to YYZ but it was dropped shortly after 9/11. AUS does have regular charters to Mexico, which, to my knowledge, provide the only usage of AUS's customs facility.

Anyone else have some candidates?


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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

I'm mostly basing this off of my (limited) knowledge of these airports and the Air Canada interactive route map, but from what I can tell...

OKC
LIT
SDF
OMA
ABQ
DSM
RIC


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any of these markets having international service. Of course, I could be off... it's gettin' late around here.


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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2602 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

I believe Louisville for a few years had B1900 nonstop service to Toronto (Air Ontario/Air Alliance, etc) , but has since been cut.

Although if you count UPS Worldport int'l traffic.....  Big grin


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

OK, I just checked the Census Bureau's rankings of metropolitan areas (http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t3/tab03.pdf), and here's what I came up with. I've listed airports in the top 50 metro areas that either do not have international service, or that I'm unsure about. Based on what I know, I think STL is the largest metro area in the US without any international service.

Please take a look and see if any corrections need to be made:

#16: CLE (does it still have the CO 757 to LGW? What about Canada?)

#17: SAN (I know it lost BA but I'm sure there are some flights to Mexico at least)

#18: STL (does any international service remain? I think this may be the biggest metro area in the US without international service.)

#25: SMF (not aware of any international service here)

#26: MCI (Missouri may be really getting screwed on international service)

#27: MKE (recent topic on this board, just too close to ORD)

#29: IND (anything here?)

#30: SAT (I think Aeromexico and/or Mexicana has a few flights)

#31: ORF/Norfolk (nothing?)

#33: CMH

#35: MSY

#36: SLC

#37: GSO

#38: AUS

#39: BNA (nothing here anymore after the AA pullout, right?)

#40: PVD

#42: BDL

#43: BUF (any Canadian service?)

#45: PBI

#46: JAX

#47: ROC (Canadian service?)

#48: GRR/Grand Rapids

#49: OKC

#50: SDF



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User currently offlineJeffie813 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2308 times:
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PBI has regularly scheduled service to Canada and the Bahamas and in season 2 or 3 times weekly flights to Manchester, UK and Birmingham UK (charter flights on Britannia)

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Great, thanks for the update. What airlines fly the Bahamas and Canada routes? Is it AAEagle for the Bahamas?


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User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

CLE has the CO flight to LGW for the summer season and they do have service to YUL and YYZ on COEX.

Dave


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

Ssides,
CLE, SAN, IND, SAT, PBI, MSY, SCL, etc all have scheduled international service. Quite a few of the others feature yearround or seasonal scheduled charter int'l service as well.

Perhaps you'd instead yield better results by searching for large metro areas lacking yearround scheduled intercontinental service. All of the above destinations currently fit that description.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

CLE does have strong year round charter service to both Mexico and the Caribbean. And yes the flight to LGW is seasonal from roughly April to October so more than half the year we do have nonstop service to LGW.


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

CLE, SAN, IND, SAT, PBI, MSY, SCL, etc all have scheduled international service. Quite a few of the others feature yearround or seasonal scheduled charter int'l service as well.

Just curious as to where you can fly internationally from these markets, excluding charters. I wasn't aware that IND, MSY, and SLC had international service. Where can you go?



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User currently offlineJeffie813 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2207 times:
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out of PBI, Air Canada serves Toronto, CanJet serves Montreal, Continental Express serves Nassau, Freeport, and Marsh Harbour. USAirways Express serves Marsh Harbour also. Laker does charter flights to Freeport and BahamasAir flies to Freeport and occasionally Nassau.

User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

BDL (Hartford) has daily services to both Toronto and Montreal on AC Jazz, plus weekly Mexican and Caribbean charter traffic.


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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Just curious as to where you can fly internationally from these markets, excluding charters

From SAT:

Mexico City (15x/week on MX)
MTY (13x/week on Aerolitoral/AM)
GDL (2x/week on MX)
SLP (2x/week on VW)



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User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Just curious as to where you can fly internationally from these markets, excluding charters

From SLC:
HMO (2x)
MEX (2x non stop and 2x one stop)

From SAN:
LTO: 2x
SJD: 7x
MEX: 7x one-stop

From SMF:
GDL: 7x
MEX: 7x one-stop



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

From MCI and IND I believe you can go to Toronto

User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Of all the cities mentioned, San Diego has a large population and always ranks in the top 10 tourist destinations. Just not much heavy industry. Why no charter flights come here is beyond me.

SAN has two (2) daily flights to SJD. One on AM and one on AS. Also, AM has 2X to LTO and 2X to MZT. All AM flights continue on to Mexico City.

However, TIJ, situated right on the border, has around 50 daily flights into the interior of Mexico. What other U.S. city has that much access into Mexico? The facilities are less than 15 miles apart so I do count that as part of the San Diego airport system.

I find it odd, however, that if someone in Tijuana wants to fly to SJD, they would have to come to SAN for a non-stop (otherwise, connect at GDL). And SAN has 2 daily non-stop flights in that market!

As a side note...AC will resume non-stops to YYZ 02MAY04.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

I wasn't aware that IND, MSY, and SLC had international service. Where can you go?

In addition to what's already been explained:

MSY features nonstop scheduled int'l service to Toronto, Canada and San Pedro Sula, Honduras.

We also have scheduled int'l charter service to Montego Bay, Jamaica; Freeport, Bahamas; and Cancun, Mexico.


User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Austin does have regularly scheduled international service via Mexicana's Aerocaribe arm 2x weekly to Mexico City

User currently offlineAZO From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 770 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

To narrow down the above list some more:

CMH, BNA, MKE, STL, MCI have service to Toronto via AC/Jazz
ROC, PVD to Toronto via Air Georgian
SMF to Guadalajara on MX


So the remaining cities from the top 50 metro areas list with no scheduled international service are:

ORF
GSO
BUF
JAX
GRR
OKC
SDF



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Ssides - BUF is to close to Canada to fly. You can get to Toronto by car in one and half hour. ROC has service to YYZ (Beech 1900D).


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1758 times:

Norfolk has international service, just not from KORF or KPHF. Naval Station Norfolk has a 5-bridge terminal on board. Frequent flights to Iceland, Spain, and other countries leave weekly, usually on Omni Air (w/ a DC-10), ATA, or even Icelandair, among other carriers. Charters mostly, but scheduled nonetheless. I know the Icelandair 757 into Hampton Roads has been to ORF before, also.

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1712 times:

SLC also has SkyWest/DL Connection flights to YVR


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