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Frontier's New Focus City - LAX  
User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031218/lath034_1.html

I knew they had a big announcement coming today, but I wasn't expecting LAX as a focus city.

LoneStarMike

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User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Once again, after all the theories of what this could have been, I don't think anyone on this board got it right. It's a pretty interesting announcement. It looks like they've picked some good markets to go after from LAX. The West Coast is becoming a pretty good battleground once again.

User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

LAX?? Aren't you guys at L.A. flooded with LCC service already? Sure it's a big market but a low fare carrier jungle aswell.

Wish them luck... I think they'll need it.


Regards,

F. in S.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

wow, that is exciting and a little unexpected at the same time, although (of course) I'm dissapointed that there is no PVD-DEN flight, I think it is a good strategic move on thier part. It's a good airline, and it's good to seem them grow.

User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6139 times:

Ah, the economy is turning around and it's getting fun to be an airline fanatic again!!! So I am guessing these new routes are where the 318's are going?

I'm even more excited about that little announcement near the end, direct DEN-ELP flights, no more of that BS of stopping in ABQ. Now they just need to match United at little better out of the Sun City and I will be happy to use them.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6130 times:

I don't get it. Why is everyone flooding LAX-which is already saturated, while an equally large potential customer base resides about 50 miles east-meaning that ONT is sitting wide open, and eager to build a new terminal?

I mean think about it. At LAX, you already have WN pushing out about 200 flights a day. Plus Song, Frontier is already there, along with AirTran. Spirit is also in there somewhere. And JetBlue is thriving like the clap in a Filipino whorehouse 20 miles south at LGB. Meanwhile, WN is enjoying a near monopoly out at ONT while the whole region is growing like a cancer, and there is lots and lots and lots of room for growth.


User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

Frontier also added to its list IAD.

From their webpage:

Frontier to Also Add Non-Stop Service From Denver To El Paso, as Well as Focus City in Los Angeles

DENVER (Dec. 18, 2003) - Frontier Airlines (Nasdaq: FRNT) today announced plans to begin service between its Denver International Airport (DEN) hub and Anchorage International Airport (ANC), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and El Paso International Airport (ELP) with two daily non-stops to Washington D.C. and El Paso, and one daily non-stop to Anchorage. Seasonal service to Anchorage will begin May 9, 2004 and service to Washington-Dulles will begin April 11, 2004. Frontier currently serves El Paso via Albuquerque, and the new non-stop service will replace the existing service beginning February 8, 2004. Including Washington Dulles and Anchorage, Frontier will serve 43 cities from its Denver hub, with Washington Reagan International (DCA), as well as Baltimore-Washington International (BWI) as additional options for traveling to Washington D.C.

In addition to Frontier's new service from its Denver hub, the airline also announced separately today that it will add service between Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) and Kansas City International Airport (MCI), Lambert-St. Louis International Airport (STL), and Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport (MSP), beginning Apr. 11, 2004. The airline will operate two daily non-stop flights between LAX and each of the three airports.

"Both Washington-Dulles and Anchorage will have great connecting opportunities out of our Denver hub to the West and the East respectively and we are excited to bring these key markets to Denver," said Senior Vice President of Marketing Sean Menke. "With Washington-Dulles we have added another option to a destination that is critical for business travelers and popular with leisure travelers. Frontier is also excited to provide travelers a new connection to Anchorage, Alaska, a popular, yet underserved destination."


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

It's an interesting move--I'm sure, well calculated.
Being the only 'full service' LCC on those routes may be a shrewd marketing move.
Good Luck to Frontier.



User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

WOW, how things change!

Did anyone ever think they would see three airlines flying STL-LAX?

We have AA with what, 4 a day, SWA with 1 daily and soon will have Frontier with 2 daily.

Thats awesome!

Im a little worried about the LAX-MSP run. I bet NWA will be all over them.

After these additions, how many dialy departures will Frontier have at DEN?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25409 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6005 times:
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I don't think any of this is "the big announcement".

The press conference is scheduled for midday (mountain time), so why would they have apress conference if it's all been announced before?

Anyhoo, whatever, good news. Although Anchorage - ANC - really took me by surprise.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6000 times:

This is wonderful news, more opportunities to photograph Frontier aircraft!!!

Mike
lgbguy


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12118 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5967 times:
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Well does anyone think some of the LAX flights might be because of the recent AA and AS code share agreement? And of course could some of this be directed at United and Ted? And of course let me throw out if Sir Richard is actually going to get a US LCC off the ground, could he be now looking at using Frontier to connect his pax in LAX instead of the hassle of starting a US LCC?


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

Was really hoping to see DEN-PBI...... guess it's going to be a little while longer.

User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Well I'm glad they picked MSP-LAX...NW certainly needs some competition on that route!

User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Damn, the still continue to turn a blind eye towards San Antonio.

User currently offlineJeffie813 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5790 times:
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it really is disappointing that they are ignoring the PBI-DEN market. i'm hoping they have more to say at the press conference today.

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5716 times:



Mariner,

If you check the numerous previous posts about F9 expansion,
Ive been saying ANC was coming for a couple of months now.
I still believe that YVR will also be added in the not too distant
future.

I think its great that Frontier is expanding to some point-to-point
service, but like you there is more to come with the big press
conference



Cargo doesn't whine, moan, or complain
User currently onlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5691 times:
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now that its finally announced, how come no one believed me when I put this in a post three months ago? It may have seemed far fetched at the time, but here it is. I am surprised at LAX-MSP/MCI though. More work for us I guess here in MSP!!!


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25409 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5658 times:
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GARUDAROD:

You did, indeed. Congrats. I very much hope that you are right about Canada, too.

Although I'd like to see Montreal in that mix (can't remember the city code, those Canadian "Y"'s confuse me.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

CALMSP:

I can't remember what your prediction was, but if it was this (or something like it), congrats to you, too.

Why did no one believe you? Because we hear all sorts of things.

Jeffie813:

I was hoping for PBI as well - their offer was very attractive. But hey - there's always tomorrow. There's a lot of aircraft coming in to the fleet.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently onlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5645 times:
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well thats just the thing, I'm joking a little bit, its hard to believe what you read and hear, I just hope they keep our contract up here in MSP. This will add a number of new positions up here.


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineJumboClassic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5603 times:

Can their 319s make it to HNL from LAX? Just wondering...
JC


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

CALMSP did start a thread back in Sept about an LAX expansion rumor. But the cities to be served were different.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1198122



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Jumbo-easily...LAX-HNL is 2221 nautical miles, and with a range of 3700 nm, is obviously no problem...


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User currently offlineDia77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5427 times:

Frontier has already updated the route map on their homepage with the additional service.

User currently offlineJumboClassic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

SHUPirate,

The 3700nm range is cited for the the 75t version with 124 passengers. I was wondering what version (MTOW) Frontier flies. What about ETOPS?


25 Noise : Anyone think they'll add Canada to their route network soon? Montreal-YUL seems like the right destination to go to...AC served YUL-DEN back in 2000 b
26 Usairways85 : Not that big of an announcement. But Seriously what is it with all the carriers flocking to LAX and SFO. LAX is served by virtually every main carrier
27 UA744KSFO : Usairways85, I think their addition of DEN-IAD might be a pre-emptive move against JetBlue. B6 already flies JFK-DEN and has announced BOS-DEN as one
28 BN747 : Looks like they are making a move to cash in on some gates at T3 before Alaska sucks them all up. I was hoping they'd come back with the A318s but all
29 Usairways85 : True. But in IAD Jetblue would have to go up against fierce competition from UA on a hub-hub route. Jetblue has the only service from JFK-DEN, and the
30 Aaway : BN747, The T-3 gates are controlled by LAWA now. I doubt F-9 will get exculsive use of additional gates. Since AA left, gates 39, 38, 37, 36, 35, 34 a
31 BN747 : Thanx Aaway, but with F9 having it's new departures to STL,MCI and MSP all departing with 25 mins of each other..that means 3 A319s will be on the gro
32 ORDagent : Hurray for F9! They are a good carrier that appears to have good planning for route expansion. I have always thought that if F9 runs into SERIOUS prob
33 Flyboy7974 : you guys are a joke to think that l.a is flooded with service, it's the #3 busiest airport, and the only reason it's 3 and not 1 or 2 is because it is
34 Post contains images CROOKS44 : MattD Loved your line about Jet Blue in Long Beach. Being a Navy veteran who's spent a lot a time at Subic Bay, I got a big kick reading your post.
35 Post contains images Aloha717200 : I can't wait to hear what is said at the press conference. Somehow I don't think this is quite the end of the news. Still this is excellent to hear. I
36 Proudtoflyaa : Apparently this is all that was said at the press conference, judging from the most recent (24 minutes ago) news releases, as well as today's photos o
37 PSU.DTW.SCE : Interesting that they will be going against NW on the MSP-LAX route. Traditionally, NW will price-match the LCC's on competitive routes. Flying multip
38 Post contains links Tpk : NW's counter-move: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031218/cgth070_1.html
39 F9Widebody : Whoa! Never saw that coming, well....maybe the increase in MSP-LAX, but DEN-LAX, wow. I guess they're trying to nip Frontier in the bud, so to speak.
40 Post contains images BN747 : wow....NW doing DEN-LAX in retaliation???? this is getting outta control! We're gonna get A320'd/A319'd to death. LAX needs to put a limit on the # of
41 PSU.DTW.SCE : Haha..... I'm not surprised in the least on NW doing that. Thats too funny. NW sure didn't waste anytime.
42 PVD757 : LET THE BLOOD BATH BEGIN!!
43 Post contains images LambertMan : MMmmm....safe to say NW is not shy about guarding their home turf.
44 Post contains images Aloha717200 : That's hillarious. They wasted no time at all. Am I the only one who finds it funny that they don't mention Frontier in their new service announcemen
45 Aaway : Repeat after me, DEN - LAX = OVERCAPACITY
46 Post contains images STT757 : "DEN - LAX = OVERCAPACITY" $25 Dollar Peanut fares anyone
47 SunValley : DEN-LAX= UA F9 NW & (CO & DL by Proxy) Just think of those triple NW miles that will be accumulated on a $89 fare. (dejavu- B6 & ATL) F9 will abandon
48 Klwright69 : Live and DEN, see relatives in California frequently. Bring on the cheap fares!
49 Mizzou65201 : Alls I know is LAX T3 is, right now, the most disgusting terminal in the U.S. Gotta love the water-stained 1974 NOAA "Advisory to Overseas Travelers"
50 Kohflot : And for all y'all rooting NWA on in this one.. Watch what happens to fares if Frontier ends up leaving LAX-MSP.......
51 Mariner : SunValley: "F9 will abandon the city pairs in 4 months." Well, maybe. But one of the stated reasons for starting the services from LAX is to "ease the
52 USAFHummer : Being in the DEN area for college...I can just sniff those cheap fares to LAX on the horizon in April...can anyone say "pre-finals getaway"??? Greg
53 SunValley : Mariner, I do respect your opinon. This scenario has played out many times, starting with People Express back in the 80's. I don't believe the gates a
54 Mariner : SunValley: And you know I respect your opinion. I agree with much of what you say about the codeshare partners, but I think there is a little more to
55 Lhr001 : Finally...... Point to Point service is being chosen over Hub and Spoke! Good Luck to all at Frontier! LHR001
56 Mjszanto : I'm not sure this is that competitive of a move against JetBlue. Remember Jetblue is the company that installs direct tv on Frontier's jets. I'm often
57 IndustrialPate : The NWAC action may indeed dilute the yield somewhat, but it will also dilute NWAC's yield. How so? NW doesn't sell tickets DEN/LAX status quo...[Edit
58 Post contains images Aloha717200 : And, perhaps a bit sadly, what NWAC did was kneejerk. As someone mentioned (either in this thread or another) the LAX/DEN move may be aimed at Frontie
59 Post contains images Aloha717200 : I think I know why I find this so funny. It's like when you have three animals in a room: two dogs and one cat. The cat and one dog get into a fight.
60 DLKAPA : I am a big fan of F9, being that I am from DEN, but here we have a very grim, unlikely possibility. NW and UA would be smart, being the two dogs, to p
61 Post contains images Aloha717200 : My hope is that they aren't so smart, allowing Frontier to succeed. I'm rootin' for the little guy here all the way. Go F9!
62 Elwood64151 : Interesting choices: MCI, MSP, and STL to LAX. Each of these markets has an entrenched major player (WN @ MCI, AA & WN @ STL, and NW @ MSP). Looks lik
63 MSYtristar : Well, I personally feel that LAX-MCI may do the best out of the three. Only nonstop competition is Southwest. Vanguard packed those MCI-LAX flights, a
64 DLKAPA : I would bet that neither UA or NW have even thought about coming together to snub F9, and I don't think that they will ever be smart enough to, for ex
65 Wedgetail737 : It seems like LAX is becoming everyone's focus city...F9, AA, UA and AS. But, why not??? Since the buy-out of TWA, there's all those available gates i
66 BMIA330 : Well, Good Luck to F9, I guess.
67 Flairport : I just got back into town after 2 days at disney, so i want to chime in on all of the events recently: 1) F9 chose LAX as a focus city so that they ca
68 EA CO AS : I was at a planning meeting yesterday at our headquarters in SEA, and our pricing guys pointed something out about F9. They said they're a "Magic Bull
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