Spinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4527 times:
Once again, after all the theories of what this could have been, I don't think anyone on this board got it right. It's a pretty interesting announcement. It looks like they've picked some good markets to go after from LAX. The West Coast is becoming a pretty good battleground once again.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3374 posts, RR: 18 Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4517 times:
wow, that is exciting and a little unexpected at the same time, although (of course) I'm dissapointed that there is no PVD-DEN flight, I think it is a good strategic move on thier part. It's a good airline, and it's good to seem them grow.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4455 times:
Ah, the economy is turning around and it's getting fun to be an airline fanatic again!!! So I am guessing these new routes are where the 318's are going?
I'm even more excited about that little announcement near the end, direct DEN-ELP flights, no more of that BS of stopping in ABQ. Now they just need to match United at little better out of the Sun City and I will be happy to use them.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4446 times:
I don't get it. Why is everyone flooding LAX-which is already saturated, while an equally large potential customer base resides about 50 miles east-meaning that ONT is sitting wide open, and eager to build a new terminal?
I mean think about it. At LAX, you already have WN pushing out about 200 flights a day. Plus Song, Frontier is already there, along with AirTran. Spirit is also in there somewhere. And JetBlue is thriving like the clap in a Filipino whorehouse 20 miles south at LGB. Meanwhile, WN is enjoying a near monopoly out at ONT while the whole region is growing like a cancer, and there is lots and lots and lots of room for growth.
Lindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4416 times:
Frontier also added to its list IAD.
From their webpage:
Frontier to Also Add Non-Stop Service From Denver To El Paso, as Well as Focus City in Los Angeles
DENVER (Dec. 18, 2003) - Frontier Airlines (Nasdaq: FRNT) today announced plans to begin service between its Denver International Airport (DEN) hub and Anchorage International Airport (ANC), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and El Paso International Airport (ELP) with two daily non-stops to Washington D.C. and El Paso, and one daily non-stop to Anchorage. Seasonal service to Anchorage will begin May 9, 2004 and service to Washington-Dulles will begin April 11, 2004. Frontier currently serves El Paso via Albuquerque, and the new non-stop service will replace the existing service beginning February 8, 2004. Including Washington Dulles and Anchorage, Frontier will serve 43 cities from its Denver hub, with Washington Reagan International (DCA), as well as Baltimore-Washington International (BWI) as additional options for traveling to Washington D.C.
In addition to Frontier's new service from its Denver hub, the airline also announced separately today that it will add service between Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) and Kansas City International Airport (MCI), Lambert-St. Louis International Airport (STL), and Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport (MSP), beginning Apr. 11, 2004. The airline will operate two daily non-stop flights between LAX and each of the three airports.
"Both Washington-Dulles and Anchorage will have great connecting opportunities out of our Denver hub to the West and the East respectively and we are excited to bring these key markets to Denver," said Senior Vice President of Marketing Sean Menke. "With Washington-Dulles we have added another option to a destination that is critical for business travelers and popular with leisure travelers. Frontier is also excited to provide travelers a new connection to Anchorage, Alaska, a popular, yet underserved destination."
Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4341 times:
It's an interesting move--I'm sure, well calculated.
Being the only 'full service' LCC on those routes may be a shrewd marketing move.
Good Luck to Frontier.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4283 times:
Well does anyone think some of the LAX flights might be because of the recent AA and AS code share agreement? And of course could some of this be directed at United and Ted? And of course let me throw out if Sir Richard is actually going to get a US LCC off the ground, could he be now looking at using Frontier to connect his pax in LAX instead of the hassle of starting a US LCC?
VectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4183 times:
Damn, the still continue to turn a blind eye towards San Antonio.
GARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1476 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4032 times:
Mariner,
If you check the numerous previous posts about F9 expansion,
Ive been saying ANC was coming for a couple of months now.
I still believe that YVR will also be added in the not too distant
future.
I think its great that Frontier is expanding to some point-to-point
service, but like you there is more to come with the big press
conference
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4007 times:
now that its finally announced, how come no one believed me when I put this in a post three months ago? It may have seemed far fetched at the time, but here it is. I am surprised at LAX-MSP/MCI though. More work for us I guess here in MSP!!!
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3961 times:
well thats just the thing, I'm joking a little bit, its hard to believe what you read and hear, I just hope they keep our contract up here in MSP. This will add a number of new positions up here.
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
JumboClassic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3919 times:
Can their 319s make it to HNL from LAX? Just wondering...
JC
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5667 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3895 times:
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3823 times:
Jumbo-easily...LAX-HNL is 2221 nautical miles, and with a range of 3700 nm, is obviously no problem...
Burma's constitutional referendum options: A. Yes, B. Go to Insein Prison!
JumboClassic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3727 times:
SHUPirate,
The 3700nm range is cited for the the 75t version with 124 passengers. I was wondering what version (MTOW) Frontier flies. What about ETOPS?
25 Noise: Anyone think they'll add Canada to their route network soon? Montreal-YUL seems like the right destination to go to...AC served YUL-DEN back in 2000 b
26 Usairways85: Not that big of an announcement. But Seriously what is it with all the carriers flocking to LAX and SFO. LAX is served by virtually every main carrier
27 UA744KSFO: Usairways85, I think their addition of DEN-IAD might be a pre-emptive move against JetBlue. B6 already flies JFK-DEN and has announced BOS-DEN as one
28 BN747: Looks like they are making a move to cash in on some gates at T3 before Alaska sucks them all up. I was hoping they'd come back with the A318s but all
29 Usairways85: True. But in IAD Jetblue would have to go up against fierce competition from UA on a hub-hub route. Jetblue has the only service from JFK-DEN, and the
30 Aaway: BN747, The T-3 gates are controlled by LAWA now. I doubt F-9 will get exculsive use of additional gates. Since AA left, gates 39, 38, 37, 36, 35, 34 a
31 BN747: Thanx Aaway, but with F9 having it's new departures to STL,MCI and MSP all departing with 25 mins of each other..that means 3 A319s will be on the gro
32 ORDagent: Hurray for F9! They are a good carrier that appears to have good planning for route expansion. I have always thought that if F9 runs into SERIOUS prob
33 Flyboy7974: you guys are a joke to think that l.a is flooded with service, it's the #3 busiest airport, and the only reason it's 3 and not 1 or 2 is because it is
34 CROOKS44: MattD Loved your line about Jet Blue in Long Beach. Being a Navy veteran who's spent a lot a time at Subic Bay, I got a big kick reading your post.
35 Aloha717200: I can't wait to hear what is said at the press conference. Somehow I don't think this is quite the end of the news. Still this is excellent to hear. I
36 Proudtoflyaa: Apparently this is all that was said at the press conference, judging from the most recent (24 minutes ago) news releases, as well as today's photos o
37 PSU.DTW.SCE: Interesting that they will be going against NW on the MSP-LAX route. Traditionally, NW will price-match the LCC's on competitive routes. Flying multip
39 F9Widebody: Whoa! Never saw that coming, well....maybe the increase in MSP-LAX, but DEN-LAX, wow. I guess they're trying to nip Frontier in the bud, so to speak.
40 BN747: wow....NW doing DEN-LAX in retaliation???? this is getting outta control! We're gonna get A320'd/A319'd to death. LAX needs to put a limit on the # of
41 PSU.DTW.SCE: Haha..... I'm not surprised in the least on NW doing that. Thats too funny. NW sure didn't waste anytime.
43 LambertMan: MMmmm....safe to say NW is not shy about guarding their home turf.
44 Aloha717200: That's hillarious. They wasted no time at all. Am I the only one who finds it funny that they don't mention Frontier in their new service announcemen
45 Aaway: Repeat after me, DEN - LAX = OVERCAPACITY
47 SunValley: DEN-LAX= UA F9 NW & (CO & DL by Proxy) Just think of those triple NW miles that will be accumulated on a $89 fare. (dejavu- B6 & ATL) F9 will abandon
48 Klwright69: Live and DEN, see relatives in California frequently. Bring on the cheap fares!
49 Mizzou65201: Alls I know is LAX T3 is, right now, the most disgusting terminal in the U.S. Gotta love the water-stained 1974 NOAA "Advisory to Overseas Travelers"
50 Kohflot: And for all y'all rooting NWA on in this one.. Watch what happens to fares if Frontier ends up leaving LAX-MSP.......
51 Mariner: SunValley: "F9 will abandon the city pairs in 4 months." Well, maybe. But one of the stated reasons for starting the services from LAX is to "ease the
52 USAFHummer: Being in the DEN area for college...I can just sniff those cheap fares to LAX on the horizon in April...can anyone say "pre-finals getaway"??? Greg
53 SunValley: Mariner, I do respect your opinon. This scenario has played out many times, starting with People Express back in the 80's. I don't believe the gates a
54 Mariner: SunValley: And you know I respect your opinion. I agree with much of what you say about the codeshare partners, but I think there is a little more to
55 Lhr001: Finally...... Point to Point service is being chosen over Hub and Spoke! Good Luck to all at Frontier! LHR001
56 Mjszanto: I'm not sure this is that competitive of a move against JetBlue. Remember Jetblue is the company that installs direct tv on Frontier's jets. I'm often
57 IndustrialPate: The NWAC action may indeed dilute the yield somewhat, but it will also dilute NWAC's yield. How so? NW doesn't sell tickets DEN/LAX status quo...[Edit
58 Aloha717200: And, perhaps a bit sadly, what NWAC did was kneejerk. As someone mentioned (either in this thread or another) the LAX/DEN move may be aimed at Frontie
59 Aloha717200: I think I know why I find this so funny. It's like when you have three animals in a room: two dogs and one cat. The cat and one dog get into a fight.
60 DLKAPA: I am a big fan of F9, being that I am from DEN, but here we have a very grim, unlikely possibility. NW and UA would be smart, being the two dogs, to p
61 Aloha717200: My hope is that they aren't so smart, allowing Frontier to succeed. I'm rootin' for the little guy here all the way. Go F9!
62 Elwood64151: Interesting choices: MCI, MSP, and STL to LAX. Each of these markets has an entrenched major player (WN @ MCI, AA & WN @ STL, and NW @ MSP). Looks lik
63 MSYtristar: Well, I personally feel that LAX-MCI may do the best out of the three. Only nonstop competition is Southwest. Vanguard packed those MCI-LAX flights, a
64 DLKAPA: I would bet that neither UA or NW have even thought about coming together to snub F9, and I don't think that they will ever be smart enough to, for ex
65 Wedgetail737: It seems like LAX is becoming everyone's focus city...F9, AA, UA and AS. But, why not??? Since the buy-out of TWA, there's all those available gates i
67 Flairport: I just got back into town after 2 days at disney, so i want to chime in on all of the events recently: 1) F9 chose LAX as a focus city so that they ca
68 EA CO AS: I was at a planning meeting yesterday at our headquarters in SEA, and our pricing guys pointed something out about F9. They said they're a "Magic Bull
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