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Why Are The A318 And 737-600s Not Selling?  
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Posted (11 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

As stated in the topic above, why aren't the A318 and 737-600s selling? They provide transcontinental range and fuel efficiency. The only disadvantage they seem to offer to me is the MTOW and maximum passenger capacities. Anyone who responds I respect and thank.


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6179 times:

IMO SAS did the BIG mistake and ordered 30 B736,
we call it the 736 "K-Mart"....
Dont like A318 either, prefere EMB if a/c should be
that small, I know about cargohold, but anyway!!!

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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

I once heard it costs almost exactly the same to operate a 737-600 as it does a 737-700.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

As stated in the topic above, why aren't the A318 and 737-600s selling?

Because Boeing and, to some degree, Airbus; "overbuild" their baseline models with the intention of stretching their capacity and weight later down the model line.

That's why the 762 easly streched to the 763/764, the 772 stretched to the 773, the 73G stretched to the 738/739, etc.

The problem with the 736 is that it was a strink of the baseline... far too heavy to be offset by revenue gained from its capacity (relative to the 73G)

The A319 was a successful shrink (as was the A332), but to do so twice was a failing endeavor for Airbus as well.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

As the jetBlue, USAirways, perhaps even Northwest fleet plans have shown, commonality is far outweighed by the economics of operating a plane built specifically for the 90-110 seat market rather than a shrink of a shrink.


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User currently offlineKBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

It probably doesnt hurt to produce, or offer production for those models. I would assume both of them go down the same lines as their siblings, just with lesser fuselage segments added. Correct me if I'm wrong.

-Buffalo



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User currently offlineSpyglass From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

'Cause they look dumb....and if ya had a long airline name, it wouldn't fit above the windows...?


User currently offlineEdT From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5452 times:

HP still plans to roll-in the A318 in mass by 2006; widely replacing the B733/732 fleet. I believe the order still is in excess of 40 aircraft.
Can someone provide more details of the America West order?


User currently offlineAZMD80 From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

They have the same using cost of the longer version, (the buying price is only a bit cheper) and no other benefit.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Edt,

Yes, it is for HP will deliveries with the new A318 on their way to PHX. And it is first quarter in 2006. I read with the magazine on the america west and I was flew out from FLL-PHX. I am not sure about replace with the B737-200/300 to Airbus A318 aircraft.


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Again, we are into that gray area of crossover between RJs and "narrow bodies". It's a similar discussion to that of the 717.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

They do have the one benefit - commonality.

If you have a huge fleet of 737NGs or a huge fleet of A320s, you can rationalize the slightly high trip cost with your lower fleet management cost and get some efficiency.

The trip cost isn't 1:1 736:73G or 318:319 or the planes would never have been offered.

Air France, for example, determined they could get efficiencies out of the 318 given their huge in service fleet of A320 series aircraft.

I think the actual math for these matters is beyond the actual capabilities of this forum, but in a 1-plane view the trip costs are too high for the reduced revenue potential.

N


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4322 times:

They do have the one benefit - commonality

Neil is bang on. That is really the only benefit. The seat mile costs of the 736/318 are very high and can only be "compensated" by the reduced mx from the commonality with the 73G/319 etc.

So you will see very few orders for the 736 or 318 (if any) if the larger 73G/319 etc are not already in the fleet. Having said that, SAS launched the 736 but went on to add the 73G & 738. Tunisair ordered the 736 as their only NG but that is the sole example to date.

(Other) Neil.



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User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8588 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4273 times:
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As usual Neil (Gigneil) has it it right on the money.


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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4137 times:

Basicly the 737-600 aint going so hot because it costs about the same to run a 736 from A to B as it would a 73G. So you might aswell take a few extra seats and some extra cargo space incase you can fill it, even if you cant then its not really costing you anything so what the hell... But the -600 would be slightly cheeper to purchase.

The Airbus A318/A319 story is basicly about the same as the Boeing 736/73G story above.




CanadianNorth



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