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717's For AA?  
User currently offlineFuelhog From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 50 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Just wondering if AA needs a 100-seater to replace it's f100's at some point,wouldn't make since to just convert some of it's over three hundred Boeing orders for that plane.Since the oringinal intention was to use 737-600's for that and it's now clear that they would not make the ideal replacement for them,it would seem like a logical move.Wondering if this seems like a plauisable move?Aprey also stated the need for a 100-seater is be seriously considered too.

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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1261907/

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

AA had the 717's from when they took over TWA and they chose to get rid of them, yes I know the lease rates were out of this world due to TWA's financial problems and the rates they were given. Though if AA had wanted to keep them who does not think for a minute that Boeing would not have changed them to please AA......


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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2475 times:

Though if AA had wanted to keep them who does not think for a minute that Boeing would not have changed them to please AA......

That may be, but AA needed to cut costs in a hurry. With so few 717s on property, the only way to get a better deal would have been to grow the fleet. It was much easier and more expedient to get rid of the few they had.

This has been discussed ad nauseum in a recent thread (cited above), but the upshot is that AA could do just about anything in the future, including bringing 717s aboard. I like the airplane a lot and would hope that it has some sort of future, but wishing doesn't make it so.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2409 times:

Well, AA had 737s before too, and got rid of them. Now theyhave returned in force. Stranger things have happened.

T.J.



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2317 times:

Yes, AA had a mixed fleet of 737s from the AirCal buyout...that's how they got the 737 fever.  Wink/being sarcastic But still, replacing the Fokker fleet is pratical with the 717, however AA is not in any kind of financial position to afford the 717 or any other aircraft for the moment. Like the MD-90s from Reno Air, the TWA 717s were just too expensive to pay for under the then-current lease rates. BTW, AA I believe still owns the 9 737-3A4s now with Southwest. However I've been wrong before. FYI, The Reno MD-90s were offered to Delta, but DL countered by offering AA their fleet of MD-90s.  Wink/being sarcastic Regards.


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User currently offlineTcfc424 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2303 times:

I wouldn't discount the idea of AA and 717's so quickly. Yes, they discarded the TWA planes, but that was due to financing and possibly the specifications...remember the hell they had reconfiguring the 757's? Now, they are in a position to again begin building, and replacing things. They could eliminate some of the pilot contract problems with the RJ's by ordering the 717 to fulfill positions held by 50-seaters, then expand into markets left post 9-11. They could also replace the F-100 (which I hate...hate hate hate....yuckkkkk!). This could be a real possibility for AA, and being a Boeing fan (especially after my recent A320 experience) I hope AA does decided to order an amount of the 717.

Mike S in AUS


User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

AA does not appear to be considering the 717 and is shifting towards using regional jets with American Eagle for low-density and short-haul routes.

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

With the Star Alliance order now not going to Boeing, I bet Boeing is looking hard for a large 717 order....AA sounds like a great choice.

User currently offlineTcfc424 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Yes, AA is looking towards RJ's, however, their pilot contract only allows XX% of RJ's to be operated within their system, the other XX% must be mainline aircraft...this is a way for them to circumvent their contract by replacing a RJ with a mainline aircraft, while still keepimg costs low and the number of RJ's to the maximum allowed.

Just a disclaimer, I do not know anyone working for AA, nor have I applied with AA (they're not hiring anyways) and I don't keep up with their day-to-day ops. I just remember hearing that most of the mainline carriers in the US have contracts that restrict the amount of RJ's allowed in the system because ALPA was raising you-know-what about the increasing # of RJ's and decreasing number of mainline a/c.

Mike S in AUS


User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

I guess we hadn't had our AA 717 thread for this week.. You know this website has a forum search function.. USE IT!

User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

When is Northwest getting their first B717 delivery?

Just kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

had to say it!  Acting devilish



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5179 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

I don't think that AA has serious interest in the 717, unless Boeing makes an incredible offer.

On the one hand, pilots could probably be checked out on both the MD-80 and the 717. That would keep the training and other costs down.

On the other hand, the MD-80 fleet ranges from 10 to 20 years old. Although the MD-80s have flown a lot of long-haul flights (which reduces the cycles), AA will probably start looking to replace the fleet in the next 4 to 8 years.

If AA did start retiring MD-80s in 2010, the fleet would be fully retired by 2020. The advantages of having the 717 dwindle as the MD-80 fleet shrinks.

A more likely scenerio would be for AA to convince Boeing to rework the 737-600 to make it work on short routes.

A friend of mine at AA has said that management has looked at the bigger Embrears. There are no announcements in the near future, but management is very happy with the 135, 140, and 145 and is willing to listen to the Embrear sales pitch.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1759 times:
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When the majors get a little more healthy, I think we'll see some orders fly.

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