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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2054 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

I was standing outside the International terminal this evening getting some fresh air and standing next to me was the PM Duty Manager for SFO. So, I picked his brain about any new service prospects.

Air New Zealand executives were at SFO last week and they would like to start service into SFO 3 times a week on a 747. The service would be a direct service form Auckland to SFO. They are pushing for an 8:30 AM arrival but he airport would like to push them over to the "A" terminal because the "G" terminal is almost at Max capacity at that time of the morning. As we know, Air New Zealand is a Star member, so look for the airport to accomindate. No word on a start date.

When Alitalia suspended service, they told the airport they would not be back. Well, the air carrier made it clear that they wish to re-start service to SFO. Nothing confirmed but look for 2005.

Aer Lingus will start service into SFO when the Shannon requirement is dropped. As we know, EU/US negotiator may come to an agreement by late next year.

Emirates staff have been around the airport a half dozen times and told SFO they will start service into SFO. Again, No dates.

Now the BIG one. SFO was notified by Virgin USA that SFO and Boston are the two finalist for their base. LAX was dropped last week. Argue all you want about delays and other factors but these are the facts.



John@SFO
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User currently offlineAndrewAir From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

That's great news for SFO. Traffic here at SFO has slowed at a small trickle since 9/11. Don't forget VN starting in late 2005 I think.



AMc


User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

New terminal in place, and reduced air traffic (thus fewer delays) makes SFO look particularly attractive. Of course, can't say enough about the city, or Bay Area: large, very diverse population, superior demographics, great industry and trade, etc.
If having superior facilities (SFO vs. LAX) is a criteria, SFO will have this arena locked up for the next few years. LAX's vision of itself is quite hazy and, as a result, will probably see a lot of potential new international traffic divert to SFO.



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User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

I hope Virgin US does pick SFO. Better chance that I could experience their service,seeing BOS isn't that close to BOI (geographically,not alphabetically. Smile)


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6096 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Legancy. thanks for the news...Post anything else you get if you can, good stuff. Stop by AS Ops under gate 20 if are ever over there!
ASSFO



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Legacy- Great news for SFO, and thanks for the info. I think that SFO could have the edge over BOS in the Virgin USA race, because if VS wants to fly the A380 in, SFO is one of the most A380 ready airports in the country, a definite plus. Great news for SFO, cant wait to see the new carriers there, especially NZ and EI.

[Edited 2003-12-20 05:57:47]

User currently offlineTZSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 202 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

I'm wondering where Virgin USA and the airport think they are going to get gate space?

Terminal 1 - pretty much maxed out
Terminal 2 - Closed for renovation
Terminal 3 - United and AA give up space?.....please
IT Terminial - No assigned gates,No assigned ticket counters, CUTE/MUSE system that screws up any CRS on a daily basis...

just wondering.......but I guess they know things I don't....

TZ



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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2576 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

If Virgin were to consider SFO, why not get that "Closed for renovation" old International Terminal out of mothballs.

There's your gates right there.

I'm not debating the accuracy of this story (hope it's true), but SFO just seems to be away from Eastern population centers for any Virgin LCC.

Although SFO would be a primo location for long-term hook up with Virgin Blue and Virgin Atlantic.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Johnboy- I was thinking that too. If they started a flight to HNL, the VS USA and Pacific Blue could hook up there, that is, if Pacific blue were to go to HNL from AKL or SYD. A flight to HKG could also be started from SFO too.

User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

Off topic for a momemt...
TZSFO or As739x, perhaps you guys can answer this question.
I was under the impression that T-2 (former Int'l Terminal) was destined for AA once the renovation was completed. T or F?



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User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Legacyins--funny coincidence--I was just talking to my cousin today about SFO--he works for them in their development dept. and he was telling me about Vietnam Airlines starting service as well as Aer Lingus.

He also told me that a Chinese delegation was here not too long ago to discuss I think either China Eastern or China Southern coming to SFO.




User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7989 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

I think Alitalia (AZ) may be coming back to SFO sooner than people think. The issue that hurt AZ's last attempt on the MXP-SFO route was the pax/cargo restrictions flying westbound; once AZ gets enough 777-200ER's, they can fly MXP-SFO at least 5 time per week with no pax/cargo load restrictions.

I think NZ will likely fly AKL-SFO as soon as they select their next generation of long-range aircraft and get enough of them. The prospect of A340-600HGW's or 777-300ER's in NZ colors at SFO sounds interesting, to say the least.  Smile

EK will likely use the A340-600HGW on the DXB-SFO route, probably with a technical stop at SNN.

Anyway, SFO will very likely be one of the first airports in the USA to get A380-800 service. Given that SQ 001/002 (SIN-HKG-SFO-HKG-SIN) is SQ's most lucrative route outside of SIN-LHR service, I wouldn't be surprised that SQ flies the A388 on this route by the middle of 2006 as soon as SQ gets enough A388's.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

I'm curious if Qantas could resume services to SFO as soon as they receive the A388?
I see a high possibility of that happening considering LAX isn't prepared to handle a single A388. SFO Here we come hey!



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

EK will likely use the A340-600HGW on the DXB-SFO route, probably with a technical stop at SNN.

It will be an A340-500, non-stop.



a.
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7989 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

I don't think EK wants to fly the A340-500 non-stop between DXB and SFO. That's a VERY long flight and the westbound leg could have fairly substantial pax/cargo restrictions.

Remember, the Great Circle distance between DXB and SFO is 7,041 nautical miles. Given the high ground temperatures at DXB during the summer and flying against prevailing winds all the way west to SFO, EK will have to limit the load of their A345's in order to fly DXB-SFO non-stop. This is why EK would be better served by flying the A340-600HGW with one technical stop at SNN.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

I read on the Yahoo Irish board that EK was looking at starting service into DUB. Could they continue the service onto SFO from there or do they need to follow the SNN requirement? Also, would they have 5th freedom rights?


John@SFO
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

I don't think EK wants to fly the A340-500 non-stop between DXB and SFO. That's a VERY long flight and the westbound leg could have fairly substantial pax/cargo restrictions.


The flight was going to launch, I think, 1 June 2004. It was put into some res systems and the schedule was posted on a.net. It was going to be non-stop, the 345 can handle it.

Could they continue the service onto SFO from there or do they need to follow the SNN requirement? Also, would they have 5th freedom rights?

Third country carriers do not have the 50/50 requirement, but Ireland would likely not open up DUB to them (they haven't in the past to Aeroflot and Royal Jordanian). Only SNN.



a.
User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

"...and flying against prevailing winds all the way west to SFO"

The shortest way from DXB to SFO is almost exactly via the northpole. Through newly implemented airways there will be no flying against the wind towards the west. They fly north, then south.

KA.



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User currently offlineNwacrew From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

I saw an Air Vietnam 777 or 767 (can't remember which) several months ago at SFO. Was it a charter flight?

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

NWAcrew- It wasnt a charter flight, it was a delivery flight. They stopped at SFO to announce the intentions to serve the US, and the first destination would be SFO.

Right now it seems that SFO will get some new carriers either in 2004 or 2005. Im looking forward most to EI or NZ.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5297 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

I think NZ will likely fly AKL-SFO as soon as they select their next generation of long-range aircraft and get enough of them. The prospect of A340-600HGW's or 777-300ER's in NZ colors at SFO sounds interesting, to say the least.

It is my understanding Ray that NZ will likely start this route next year if they have enough 744's! I heard a little while back about a new long haul route for NZ, SFO is surprizing to mebeing that NZ have a rather large hub at LAX but it is good to see them expanding their network!

NZ's 744's should be in the fleet for a few more years yet.

Good to see more airlines flying to SFO!


User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

What about the chances of Thai or Malaysian?

User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1522 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

I bet the Vietnam Airlines flight will be a cash cow. Doesn't United have flying rights to Saigon? Pan Am served there. I always heard rumors about it.

User currently offlineNwacrew From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2138 times:

I'm thrilled at the thought of Emirates flying over the pole from Dubai! I found their service to be flawless.

I travel frequently to Egypt and it's a long, hard slog from here. SFO-DBX-CAI sounds like a dream come true for me!


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6096 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

MAH-what system did you see EK SFO-DBX in? Not in Sabre
Ka-Correct, it goes directnorth, then south.
Aaway-I think TZSFO and I are wondering the same thing. AA was said to be moving there cause the lease on the present gate will not be extended. UA wants the gates back. Maybe they will get 9 gate or so and Virgin USA would have the other 4 or so. There will be 13 gate there when done compared to the 10 before.
RayC-I'd agree. The AZ flight did very well. Specially with a damn 763. Can't wait to see them back here.!
ASSFO



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25 Post contains images SuperDash : Southwest has shared SFO info with Virgin USA. Actually they left out the part that SFO costs way more to operate at than SJC and OAK. Southwest shoul
26 AS739X : SuperDash-OAK over SFO a trend? I have stated the reason (QX) for them going to OAK many times. SFO will not allow a prop at a jetway gate, OAK will.
27 RampRat74 : Don't they suppose to tear down concourse A when the new concounrse opens up? If they do, they can add more international gates to the pier. AA is sup
28 AS739X : RampRat74-Correct, the A concourse of T1 will be torn down when gates are available for US at T3. United needs gates to open up from my understanding.
29 Copaair737 : AA taking all the gates is really odd, perhaps they will expand at SFO, which would be a good thing. When would T2 be ready to take flights, and when
30 UA744Flagship : UA wants the E gates, supposedly to make it an RJ terminal...
31 AS739X : Copa-a long time. They are currently working on the terminal and ramp to support it. Its currently sinking. Yes, thats true. So it need a lot of work.
32 SuperDash : AS739X- Not what I heard. I fly QX all the time (MVP with AS/QX, not an employee, but definite aviation geek). From what I heard from QX - OAK was alw
33 Spark : Southwest never did switch from SFO to OAK! They were only a small operator at SFO, and decided to drop it for the same reasons they dropped DEN. At t
34 Copaair737 : I have heard about the prop problem at SFO. If props do fly into SFO, they must land at the remote terminal, near the UA terminal, it seems to me that
35 AS739X : SuperDash-with all due respect, I only post facts cause anything else is a waste of peoples time and money. Please don't disrespect me. If you don't e
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