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User currently offlineUS653 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 161 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

I have seen that the first deliveries to US which were supposed to be this month have been pushed back to March. Even so, have any of them been completed to the point where they have been painted or maybe even partially (tail fin while on the line)? If so, has anyone seen a picture yet. I can't wait to see what it will look like.


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

Where did you get hear about of US Airways was pushback to March '04? Is that will be first deliveries to US Airways. I can't wait to see first of US in the EMB-170 aircraft and well, talk ya later!  Smile

Scott W.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Yes, we had a group of employees that JUST got back from factory training and they told me there are several Embraer 170's in the completion hanger and sitting on the ramp ready to head north. They said the first should start heading north after the holidays. Sorry, no pictures though as photgraphy is not allowed on the factory property.


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User currently offlineUS653 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4679 times:

EMBQA,

Thanks for the update!!



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

.........also. they got to go on an all day "Proving Flight"....... all they would say was......"WoW.....Very nice plane...!!


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User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

All 87 being delivered are going to Mid-Atlantic Airways, 42 in 2004, 45 in 2005. Suppose to launch 1st services with 7 aircraft in March. No routes determined yet.

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 day ago) and read 4505 times:

I think it should be made clear, these aircraft are not US Airways Express aircraft. Mid Atlantic Airways is a division of US Airways mainline and these aircraft will be flown under the mainline banner, not Express.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 day ago) and read 4501 times:

Is that was not ready for start on their route out of PIT, PHL or CLT flight. You'll probably will find out about exactly what is going on for lately with US.

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 day ago) and read 4434 times:

I think it should be made clear, these aircraft are not US Airways Express aircraft.

...but will be flown with 'US Airways Express' titles.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 day ago) and read 4425 times:

Mid Atlantic Airways is a division of US Airways mainline

No, just because it's owned by USAir doesn't mean it's mainline. It's basically just USs attempt to bring their regional operation in house. They finally realized that 12 regional affiliates is alittle too much.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

...but will be flown with 'US Airways Express' titles.

I think they've made it clear that it will not be, actually.

No, just because it's owned by USAir doesn't mean it's mainline.

The planes will be operated on mainline routes with a mainline flight number in a two class configuration. What exactly makes it mainline to you?

N


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

What exactly makes it mainline to you?

The contract and the crews. If they're USAir crews, then it's mainline. If they're Mid-Atlantic crews, then it's not. Simple as that. Seats and titles do not enter into it.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Fair enough, but calling MDA a regional is unfair as well.

N


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

MDA is Mid-Atlantic I'm assuming. But they're not a regional? American Eagle, ExpressJet, and Comair are regionals, yet this one isn't? Explain please.

Also, since they aren't even flying yet... they aren't really anything are they?



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

Those other airlines fly regional jets to small destinations under a different flag.

MDA will be flying mainline jets to mainline stations under the mainline flag.

N


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Then why is it called by another name? Mainline jets to mainline stations under a mainline flag sounds like US Airways to me, not MDA.


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User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

I spoke with someone at Mid Atlantic, it will be US Airways EXPRESS. All pilots are mainline ALPA furloughs, flight attendants represented by AFA.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

All pilots are mainline ALPA furloughs

So they were mainline, but aren't anymore. The same thing happened at CLE. Furloughed mainline and Jetlink pilots now fly for Commutair on 1900s. This doesn't mean Commutair is a mainline carrier, however.



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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

I think they've made it clear that it will not be, actually.

Actually, the planes will fly with 'US Airways Express' titles.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1306041/

I've heard the plan has since changed, and a one-class configuration will be used in the new aircraft. However, I can't confirm this.

The only reason MidAtlantic is called a 'division of mainline' is because they will use furloughed US Airways crews.


670


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

I don't think that thread resolves anything.

The story from the very beginning has been the CRJs will end up in Express livery, and the EMBs will not be.

N


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

Can't judge a book by its cover...


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Heh even more compelling really is that they've renamed Mid Atlantic to the "Embraer Division of US Airways" for all purposes.

Only US employees really still call it MDA (or MAA rather now).

The two class thing is possibly up in the air but no matter how you cut it, its not going to be a regional operation.

N


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

"Regional" now seems to be defined as any flight under 2000 miles. Well, it's not worth arguing it. I just don't see how it's anything but regional if it's not mainline. Err.... wait it could be mainline..... but......aww hell never mind.

PS- Will they use a new callsign or just "USAir?"



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (11 years 22 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

If that's your requirement, the 2000 mile range, then wouldn't US Airways itself be considered regional as well? They do not have that many long haul flights compared to other majors.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (11 years 22 hours ago) and read 4258 times:

2000 miles isn't my requirment. I'm just saying that as regional jets now fly legs up to 2000 miles that the word has become rather distorted. The line between regional and mainline has blurred.


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25 Penguinflies : For all intents, Mid Atlantic is a mainline carrier with express titles. The only thing regional about it is the salary it will pay.
26 LUV4JFK : Well, I guess we'll just have to wait till they start flying and we'll see if it says "US Airways" or "US Airways Express" since we don't have picture
27 Ouboy79 : I think we may just have to wait until the first plane is out in public view for pictures. Until then it will be a battle of words on whether or not i
28 N670UW : Actually, I did see something on USAviation, but it was a while ago, and would take a lot of digging to find.
29 Vector : I already saw the first four aircrafts and I can tell you that all Embraer 170 on assembly line for USAirways have the Express Titles There is too a "
30 RiverVisualNYC : Vector- Since you are obviously closest to the situation, do you know if there is any chance the factory will be releasing some official photos?
31 Vector : Hi I already could get a photo of the USAirways Express Embraer 170. Please... send an email to ERJ170@uol.com.br requesting a photo and I will send b
32 Post contains images Planemaker : Vector - 'shame' on you for using the ERJ monniker in the e-mail address when you obviously know better!! (Just kidding...)
33 Capt078 : GIGNELI: the erj-170s will fly under EXPRESS titles. part of the deal the ALPA made with us airways, was that to allow the increased presence of regio
34 EMBQA : 5/19/2003 From the very first Press Release announcing the purchase, Embraer and USAirways have said the aircraft are going to be flown as USAirways
35 ORD2PHL : They do not have that many long haul flights compared to other majors. Actually US serves quite a bit of European destinations from its hub at PHL. LG
36 Rthrbeflying86 : A bit of an obscure question, but what terminals will the 170's operate out of at the hubs? Terminal F at PHL and Terminal E at CLT are dedicated Expr
37 Capt078 : Rthrbeflying86: this should clear things up: "US Airways also has placed firm orders for 85 Embraer 170, 70-seat, dual class aircraft, with the first
38 Penguinflies : I think US Airways accelerated delivery, all 85 are scheduled to be on property by December 2005 (or so I was told in a meeting with them).
39 US653 : Larger jets can be accomodated in Terminal F at PHL. Air Tran had a few gates there when it first opened and used DC-9s and 717s there.
40 AA717driver : I think Capt078 said it--you can call it what you want but if the Capt.'s are making $70k a year and the FO's are making $40k, it sounds like a region
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