Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4397 times:
Well, I'll just repeat what I said yesterday in a similar thread...
Name: Vanguard Airlines Motto: Treating you like family. Not In-laws. Primary Hubs: MCI, PHL, LAS Colors: Dark Blue, Red, Gold (actually dark-ish yellow), White, painted in scheme similar to original Vanguard's "Rainbow Fleet" (look at N136NJ, just replace rainbow stripe with all-yellow stripe) Aircraft: 717-200/300, 767-300ER Primary operating areas: Domestic US, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, UK, France, Ireland Special Restrictions: Would have to coordinate with Kansas City Aviation Department to build gate areas for better connections
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
EGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4383 times:
Name UK International - KI / KUKI), USA - California">UKI Motto British Excellence.. Almost! Main Hubs LHR, STN, MAN, BHX, EDI, CWL, BFS Colours Each National Colour of Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland all in a wavy form a bit like Delta's current livery style only with different colours. The colours of each province..Red, White, Blue and Green. The name UK International would accompany the colours at the top half of the fuselage. The tail would be like the current BA tail only with Red, White, Blue and Green. Aircraft 346, 7E7, 380, 320, 319, ERJ 145 and Dash 8. 7E7 used mainly on destinations to US, Canada and some short Asia routes. 346 & 380 used on US, Canada, Asia and Oceania routes. 320 & 319 used on European and N.Africa routes. ERJ 145 & 319 used on Domestic & Ireland routes. Codeshare Partners UA for N.America, RG for S.America, CX for Asia, QF for Oceania, SAA for Africa and LH as a European Partner.
Futureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2614 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4368 times:
Name: Liberty Airways
Motto: Giving you the freedom to fly right
Primary Hubs: SFO, IAH, ATL
Colors: red, white and blue....variation of AA's scheme, but no polished fuselages, I'd paint em
Aircraft: 737, 738, 739, 752, 763, 764, 744, 772LR
ORBITJFK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4359 times:
Name: Orbit Airways
Motto: Making the atmosphere the best place on earth.
Primary Hubs: New York JFK, St. Louis STL, San Francisco SFO
Colors: All black aircraft with white dots all over as stars. Planets on the tails similar to the idea that Frontier has with their animals.
Aircraft: 772LR, 763, 762, 752, 738, 73G, 717
Vimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1534 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4325 times:
Name of Airline: Keralair (named after the state of Kerala in India)
Motto: God's own airline (to go with the description of Kerala as God's own country)
Primary hubs: COK/TRV/CCJ (all in Kerala)
Colors: White and green, logo will be the Sun and a palm tree (or two).
Airplanes: CRJs or EMB145s.
Chairman / MD: Me
Other members of the board: my list of respected users in A.net
Sarfaroshi kii tamannaa ab hamaare dil mein hai, Dekhnaa hai zor kitnaa baazu-e-qaatil mein hai
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4308 times:
Name: Swish Airways
Hubs: BOS (primary trans-atlantic hub), RDU (domestic north-south east coast hub), MCO (primary Latin American hub), IND (domestic east-west hub), PDX (domestic north-south west coast hub), HNL (trans-pacific hub)
Colors: White, with an orange basketball above a red basketball hoop
Aircraft: E-170, for anything within its range, A-319LR for trans-atlantic routes, trans-continental routes, and flights between the west coast and HNL, A-330 for flights from HNL to Asia, and from BOS to parts of Europe outside the A-319's range...
First Class: Internationally, would have 55-inch pitch, domestically 38-inch pitch...IFE would be DirecTV service at every seat, including their entire basic package plus ESPN's Full Court Package with every NBA and NCAA Basketball game televised under their package...meals on all flights over one hour long...name of first class would vary based on where the aircraft is based...BOS-based aircraft would have Celtic Class, RDU-based aircraft would have Bobcat Class, MCO-based aircraft would have Magic Class, IND-based aircraft would have Pacer Class, PDX-based aircraft would have Trailblazer Class, and HNL-based aircraft would have Aloha Class...
Coach: 34-inch pitch throughout on all aircraft, IFE would be same as first class...meals for sale on all flights over one hour long...
Three-Point Miles Program: No elite status, no upgrades of any kind, frequent flier miles can be used only for flights in coach, no capacity controls on free tickets...
Other policies: Will overbook flights, because god knows that there are passengers who book flights purposely so that they can get bumped, any passenger bumped gets a free ticket anywhere Swish Airways flies on A-319 or E-170 aircraft...no codesharing or alliances of any kind...assigned seating, however, passengers must check in AT THE GATE between 60 and 30 minutes before flight (or within 15 minutes of connecting flight arriving at gate) in order to keep their seat...
Likelyhood of success: Oh, wait, we were supposed to answer that question? Likely won't ever sell a ticket...
Burma's constitutional referendum options: A. Yes, B. Go to Insein Prison!
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4224 times:
InnoccuousFox-Brief Question...if you plugged each of the six major airlines into Airline Traffic Manager, and their routes and everything included, as they stood today, which airline would be the most profitable (or least unprofitable), and which would be the least profitable (or most unprofitable)?
Burma's constitutional referendum options: A. Yes, B. Go to Insein Prison!
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4218 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW FORUM MODERATOR
Name of Airline: Family Air
Colours: Red(love and caring) and yellow(happinies)
Aircraft: 737-700(less demand routes for Domestic), 738(domestic), 739(short aul International and high demand Domestic flights), 7E7, Less demand Long haul and Medium haul routes. 777-200ER(Long haul routes), 777-200LR(Longer haul routes). Regional aircraft CRJ200, CRJ700 and CRJ900 (as non aviation fans think that jets are safer then Turbo-prop aircraft. All 737s for Domestic flights will have 4 business class seats and Regional Jets will have 2 Business Class seats with more then generous leg room. Family Class (Economy) will have 5 inches more legroom then the competiting airlines.
Main Domestic Hub: WLG as it is in the middle of New Zealand.
Tourist routes to Rotorua and Queenstown will have 737s flying them.
Moto: Welcome to our family
International flights will have between 8-12 business class flights depending on the aircraft with no middle row seats. All International aircraft in Business Class will have no middle seat. International Family Class (economy) will have 2-3-2 seats on all wide body International aircraft and 3-3 seating on all narrow body International aircraft. All International aircraft will have more then generous seat pitch and leg room (to help combat DVT). All passengers will be treated like VIPs.
Aa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4185 times:
Name: Pioneer Jetlines
Color: Dark red, dark gray
Motto: The Pioneer Out West and Around the Wprld
Fleet: MD-80, 737-800, 757-200, 767-400
Hubs: LAS for intra-west travel, and DCA for intra-east travel, and Columbus for international travel.
First Class (Domestic): 36 inches of pitch, cold meals on flights under 2 hours, hot meals on flights over 2 hours and 1 minute. Drop down monitors.
Coach (Domestic): 31 inches of pitch, cold meals on flights over 2 hours. Drop down monitors.
Diplomat Class (F/C international): 51-inches of pitch, hot meals, PTV's with On-Demand screening. Sleeper seats. 2x2 seating.
Marvel Class (Business): 43-inches of pitch, hot meals, PTV's with On-Demand screening. 2x1x2 seating.
Standard Class: 33-inches of pitch, hot meals, PTV's. 2x2x2
DimploMiles: FFQ program. Upgrades to domestic first and Marvel Class only. Elite program: Renowed Member. Free access to Diplomat Lounges.
InnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4173 times:
"...if you plugged each of the six major airlines into Airline Traffic Manager, and their routes and everything included, as they stood today, which airline would be the most profitable (or least unprofitable), and which would be the least profitable (or most unprofitable)?"
That's a good question - but the answer is a bit problematic for a number of reasons:
1) The accuracy of the outcome is directly based on the accuracy of the simulation. While we are going to great pains to as much as we can in great detail, there are things we are either leaving out intentionally or could never possibly exactly. Therefore, the outcome would be flawed by the inclusion of many, many very small, but inexact variables.
2) When you ask for "profitable", you are expressing an implied "over time" in there. "Over time" involves many scenarios and situations that arise. We have no idea of what those may be in the future and we only have one sample of data of how a particular reaction worked after a particular scenario. We can only speculate as to what would have been different had another decision been made to that stimulus. Therefore, the "profitability (over time)" of an airline is directly tied to management decisions to those very scenarios, situations and stimuli. Certainly, you can understand that it would be impossible to simulate any given CEO's distinct mindset when facing these obstacles.
3) In both of the above, there is a necessary interconnectedness to the factors. If something in 1) or 2) changes ever so slightly, it may or may not cause a ripple effect throughout all the other factors and decisions. The possibility tree is enormous. Without a basis for control of that tree, each running of the simulation would be completely different.
To give you a little quote... at least years Game Developer's Conference in San Jose, I was honored to have offered up a question to Will Wright (The various "Sim" titles), Peter Moleyneux (Lionhead Studios - e.g. "Black & White") and the man who was the original designer of the "Grand Theft Auto" titles. They are all very much into the same simulation that I use - that of autonomous agents doing their own thing in responding intelligently to the world around them. I asked them how they go about designing and testing these worlds when the decision tree is so completely vast and unpredictable. After a brief disucussion of their various approaches, Peter (in his fantastic British accent) said something to the effect of "It is quite horrifying really to see this world that you have created moving along and knowing that at any moment it may collapse upon itself completely!" This is the result of what I was discussing above.
Running an airline is, necessarily, one of the most complex and unpredictable jobs in existence. We are only recreating a portion of that world for the game and it is still complex. (At some point you have to draw a line between fun and reality - a simple rule of game design.) Even with my stacks of reference books, I could not completely design to accommodate every contingency. A few years ago, who would have thought to include a scenario where every aircraft in the US was grounded... OUT OF POSITION... for days? And when they were allowed to return to normalcy, found out that a good chunk of their clientele were now afraid to fly? Certainly, that is an extreme example... but the decisions that were made by the various executive staves in airlines around the world lost or saved billions of dollars. Airlines went out of business as a result... others actually grew despite the chaos. Who would have known?
The simple answer is, despite the fact that my simulation is on track to be far more detailed than any airline game in existence... it is not a reasonable indicator of success or failure of the real world counterpart. After all, it only knows as much as I teach it.
When the sim is done, will I really be tempted to run it out to see who wins and who loses? Damn right I will! But you know what? The results of those tests will not tell me whether United, American, AirTran or Southwest is better or worse... it WILL tell me how good I have written the simulation. If Southwest loses ground and US Air comes out on top? Time to go back and teak the sim.
A fantastic question, though SHU... thanks!
Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
Flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7450 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4053 times:
Landmark Market is everything. We will have vacation plans to buiseness plans. Mid rage Prices a AA Jet Blue mix. Biggest competion would be AA but we would become partners so then comes The rest of the Majors and Jet Blue.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Class of Service:
TrueFirst - 100" pitch, real beds in private suites w/PlasmaTVs!
Executivue (Business) - 80" pitch, fully reclining seats w/tiny PlasmaTVs!
Premium (Economy) - 40" pitch, wider seats with footrests & LCD PTVs!
***there will be extra-wide seats in Premium for overweight people. Since we're ADA compliant, these seats will cost the same as standard ones.
The Pittsbrugh Ultra SuperDooper Intercontinental Hub - WorldWide service from the World's bestest airport!
New York City / LaGuardia - mostly domestic, Europe, Latin America, South America & The Caribbean, but also Asia
Atlanta - *** codeshare partner's hub ***
West Palm Beach - inter-Florida, primary Carribbean
New Orleans - secondary domestic & Latin America; also Europe
Houston - domestic, primary Latin/South America
Chicago / Midway -- *** codeshare partner's hub ***
Colorado Springs -- primary east-west
San Jose, CA -- primary transpacific
Los Angeles -- secondary pacific
AirTran Airways, ATA
Alliance Name: "The LCC Alliance"
Toxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3996 times:
Name: Subsidy Air
Strategy: Will fly to hub airport centrally located in the US from any city willing to provide a minumum seat guarantee. For example - we'll fly to Daytona Beach, Florida, if they're really serious about guaranteeing the purchase of a million dollars worth of tickets every year. Hub airport to be chosen on the basis of a competition to be advertised to the trade press nationally. We will work with the Chambers of Commerce in any cities that are desparate to attract or replace a hub carrier.
Motto: Show us the money!
Colors - long green
Aircraft - whatever United has parked in the Mojave
Ua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3963 times:
MOTTO-"HEY WERE NOT THAT BAD! YOU GOT THERE DIDN'T YOU?!?!?"
COLORS-ORANGE, YELLOW, BLUE
AIRCRAFT- 777-200/300 ER, 737-700, MD-10/11, 767-(?)NOT TOO SURE & GULFSTREAM V (for a city hopper)
HUBS-SFO&LAX(sfo to Asia, Hawaii etc. and to NYC, lax to west Europe and Canada)JFK&HKG(jfk for lax flights and hkg for sfo flights)