MartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 6 Posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2467 times:
Airlines are using SARS and 9/11 as excuses way too much to raise prices and all sorts of fees. This is total bull$hit and should be stopped by the governments of Canada and USA. Befor e9/11 you sould go from Toronto to New York for the weekend for no more that $100 Canadian Dollars RT/PP.
Now it'll be at least double.
Once again, this should be stopped and if the governments don't do anything, the public certainly should. There is not enough media coverage on this and people just don't get the point
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4747 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
Befor e9/11 you sould go from Toronto to New York for the weekend for no more that $100 Canadian Dollars RT/PP. ..Now it'll be at least double.
We'll, look at it this way. There are roughly 16% less passengers flying in comparision to pre 9.11. Ticket prices are now generally considerably lower than they were pre 9.11 (although this is affected by demand and routings).
While some of the airlines were in trouble pre 9.11, many were doing just fine thank you very much, and you just cannot swallow a 16% drop in passengers overnight, hence British Airways, Lufthansa, Air France, United, US, AA, Delta, Alitalia, Continental, Northwest and list goes on, all started losing plenty of money. Sure some of the above were already losing it hand over fist, but not most of them.
While you may be right about your route, the stats do not lie, prices are lower, and less people are flying, this is fact.
Teva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1877 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2419 times:
And don't forget that your ticket includes the airports fees and the taxes.
And both have increased to pay for the people and the equipment needed for the additional security.
Airlines have no influence on this cost. But it is a big part of what you pay
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Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2348 times:
Yes and no.
First of all, everyone must realize that as a whole, airlines cannot survive without business travel. The leisure market is simply too low-yield to support a major route structure.
With that as a foundation, I think that after 9/11 and the SARS outbreak, many businesses realized they were (1) using air travel more than necessary, and (2) paying too much for air tickets, period. This is the real reason why airlines are struggling today. Whether that can be blamed on 9/11 or SARS is debatable, but it is an interesting discussion.
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2293 times:
Ummm, major airlines had very HIGH cost structures long before 9/11....While Locos have always kept things simple and thus have shown consistent profits.
The major airlines still need to get the wakeup picture and change their models. Point to point flying is clearly where money can be consistenly made, hubs need to be debanked massively....there are tons of stuff the majors could do.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12691 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2248 times:
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Air NZs cheapest fare frm AKL to LAX $1341.80 (New Zealand dollars) one way (Economy Class). Business Class is $5072.80 (New Zealand dollars) one way and First Class is $7756.80 (New Zealand dollars) one way. Considering that these fares are alot cheaper then what they were 3 years ago, Air NZ have not raised their fares to the USA but have done the opposite