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Airbus Delivers 300th Plane, Beats Boeing With SIA  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

Airbus Industrie delivered it's 300th aircraft, beating Boeing's sales target of 280 and matching its own 300 target.

The goal was reached when on 19 December 2003, Airbus handed Singapore Airlines Limited - A Member of Star Alliance its first Airbus A340-500 A345LEADERSHIP - Making The World A Smaller Place.

"Airbus "may have more deliveries, but what does that mean?" asked Tom Brabant, a Boeing spokesman. "In an industry that has two large manufacturers, if you're looking at deliveries, some years Airbus may deliver more, some years Boeing may deliver more. What matters most is making airplanes that passengers prefer to fly on and providing value to our airline customers." "

More at the Seattle Times website


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

First it was the orders, then it was actual deliveries that counted, now that´s all become un important. Its having satisfied customers...





User currently offlineMD-11 forever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

... and satisfied customers will order your product, which again means more orders and subsequently more deliveries....

Cheers, Thomas


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

I believe Fokker, Swissair and Legend customers where all very satisfied. That didn´t prevent them from going down.

Better a customer that is just satisfied enough to come back & a healthy margin then those 100% customer satisfaction spenders ...


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

"satisfied customers will order your product, which again means more orders and subsequently more deliveries"

How ironic it was Singapore Airlines Limited that got the 300th plane. After all, we all do remember the A340-300X saga.



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User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Interesting news ... thought the aircraft had over 100 defects that needed rectifying last week.

Hope the delivery flight of SQ788 would be earlier now.



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User currently offlineTavve From Sweden, joined Sep 2003, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Just 100? I'm not in the aviation delivery industry but 100 isn't that much unless they serious ones.


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User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Tsentsan : How do you know there are 100 defects ? Anything to back up your sentence ?


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User currently offlineJopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4312 times:

Is it satisfied customers or better economic deals?, let's ask the low-cost carriers...


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4095 times:

Isn't it cute how Boeing has adjusted to the situation? In the last years, it was always "So? Airbus has had more orders than us, but what does that mean? Relevant is who delivers more aircraft!"...

Good to see that Boeing can still adapt to changing situations...  Big grin



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User currently offlineTrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4028 times:

All new aircraft have defects that need ironing out. No doubt Boeing have the same problems but they're not publicized as much.

Trent.


User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4002 times:

Singapore_air:What do you want to say??? The A-343 isn't good plane for SQ?

User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3940 times:

There was a documentary on German TV some time ago which even won a prize about the delivery of LH´s B744 D-ABVX. They had a number of major technical issues which had to be sorted out (like not preraked flight control wires). So I would say that technical problems occur at both companies.

KA.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Singapore_air:What do you want to say??? The A-343 isn't good plane for SQ?

SQ "said" that, not him  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

Singapore_Air - must you insist in putting every conceivable marketing slogan in your post?

 Nuts

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User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2470 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

For once I must agree with Keesje and Leskova on the Boeing spin quoted in the article and I said it myself a long time ago: actual orders are indeed relevant to future deliveries, even though they can be deferred or cancelled. In a climate where Airbus is selling a lot more airplanes than Boeing, they're going to be delivering more airplanes from now on for years to come. Until Boeing can reverse that sales disparity, their deliveries will trail Airbus, perhaps by a large margin. So this time, the Boeing line is a hollow one, they can say that this year but what do they say next year or the year after as their delivery totals continue to shrink. Until they reverse their sales slide, they'll be eating crow on this on an annual basis. In my book, it would sound better if they just admitted they're now number 2 and like in the old Avis Car Rental commercials, they'll try harder. Best to just fess up and acknowledge they're now the underdog; if nothing else it might get them a few more supporters-some folks just love to root for the underdog.

User currently offlineDionysus From Thailand, joined Aug 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Every time Airbus does or achieve something, the American rival always discredit them. It seems so difficult for some American companies admitting that they are behind. First it's deliveries matter now it's delivering what is important, bla bla bla. Boeing seems like the Big Three during the 80's, they loved bashing Japanese car companies and blamed them of receiving government subsidiaries. Before they know it, the Japanese are eating them alive...

Stop the pathetic arrorgance and get yourself together.


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

if Boeing admitted that they were #2 it would get the employees to think "hey we are falling behind lets get off our asses and do something", which would eventually bring them back up to #1.... Boeing is just berily behind Airbus, so it wouldnt really take a hell of alot to catch up again, but theres a big diff between doing a little and not doing anything about it..


CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5731 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

Man, you guys all need a big tablespoon of shut-up.

Here's why, for those of you who will immediately ask whether I have a press release to verify my sentences (honestly, some of you would ask for proof that Embraer plans to make a 190, sheesh).

"Every time Airbus does or achieve something, the American rival always discredit them..."
What a ridiculous statement! Boeing is in the process of designing a plane that will reduce fuel consumption by as much as 20%!!! (Would you like a press release for that too? Look it up your own dang self!) THINK of the environmental benefit we will enjoy! The exhaust emissions are promised to be at all time record lows, as well. Think of the great news this is for the environment! And the interior, so revolutionary.
Yet, to put it as the poster on this forum did, "Airbus on 7E7 launch: 'No response is needed.'" Wow, environmental priorities are clearly not an issue for Airbus. Neither, apparently, are revolutionary designs, involving composites, and other high-tech advancements. Let's just stick with a big, old fashioned, super huge jumbo.

While I agree that the shifting of Boeing's focus is totally ridiculous, I refuse to allow you all to pounce on Boeing as an unloved underdog or something. Let's not forget that the 777 is the fastest-selling airliner of ALL TIME, making the A340 look like an inferior product.

They're both great manufacturers of airliners. CAN'T YOU PEOPLE just accept that? They're both FINE. Boeing will surely pull ahead in sales in the future. And then, after that, Airbus will regain the lead. Then, later down the road, Airbus will sell more airplanes again.

IT'S CALLED COMPETITION, though I suppose you in the hoity-toity EU (to which, alas, my favorite of all nations, Italia belongs) would not be familiar with competition, as most industries are heavily government controlled. NO ONE HERE would argue that Airbus has heavily been subsidized in the past. They're moving toward decent business practices, but books have been written on the secrecy of Airbus. When our government contributes to the aviation industry, at least it is through the purchase of our aviation products!

Seriously, folks. Airbus makes good planes.
Seriously, folks. Boeing makes good planes.

WHO CARES who sells more? Competition makes both strive to improve and produce better products. The A320 wouldn't exist without the prior existence of the 737. Similarly, I choose to believe, the DC-9 wouldn't exist without the prior existence of the Caravelle and also the BAC-111 in the market.

Jobs for everyone in all nations, and a Merry Christmas to all!


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Every time Airbus does or achieve something, the American rival always discredit them. It seems so difficult for some American companies admitting that they are behind. First it's deliveries matter now it's delivering what is important, bla bla bla. Boeing seems like the Big Three during the 80's, they loved bashing Japanese car companies and blamed them of receiving government subsidiaries. Before they know it, the Japanese are eating them alive...

Stop the pathetic arrorgance and get yourself together.
________________________________________________________________

Dio;
Both companies act the same way, just look at Airbus comments in regards to the 7E7, both companies take pot shots at each other all of the time.

In answer to Boeing's question, what is the big deal? Bragging rights!



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User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2470 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Excellent post AA737-823 and I agree with all of your points except the one about the 777 vs. the A340; although the 777 still has more total sales, the A340, best represented by the -600 and -500, has handily outsold it recently. But the 777 and Boeing as a whole can come back if they start making the right moves, as it lately appears they are doing. I'm sorry if you find my 'underdog' description unfortunate but for the present, it's accurate. I was merely commenting on the PR trap Boeing has itself in now since it has long contended deliveries are more important than orders. Of course, both makers spew the same PR barbs at each other and Airbus's public dismissal of the 7E7 challenge to the A330-200 is just another example on the other foot. I won't address the subsidies issue here but Boeing helped get itself into its' current malaise with some myopic market assessment and other policies during the Condit era. It now must try to dig itself out of this hole and it has its' work cut out for it. But there's every reason to believe it can do it as long as it abandons its' recent habits. If it makes you feel better, I think the 7E7 will positively flatten the A332; no contest in that market segment. Merry Christmas to you (and everyone else), too.

User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Airbus has beaten Boeing. Airbus builds great airplanes but more importantly they make better deals on airplanes then Boeing.... That's why Airbus delivered more airplanes. At my airline our Airbus's have the highest dispatch reliability....


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineSandiaman From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

One well-known airline analyst suggested that aircraft "backlog" is a better measure of health because it reflects airline orders over a longer period as well as future deliveries (last I read, Airbus had a larger backlog).

Regardless, it's difficult to reduce the concept of "who's number one" to a single metric.

And what's it all worth?...you don't hear Toyota bragging about being number one. They dominate....quietly.

-M


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Its not worth anything after Boeing loses its #1 spot. Nothing wrong with #2 Airbus was there for a long time, now its Boeings turn at #2 .


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Seriously, folks. Airbus makes good planes.
Seriously, folks. Boeing makes good planes.

WHO CARES who sells more? Competition makes both strive to improve and produce better products.


Couldn't have said it better...

Frederic


User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3139 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2919 times:




Back to the original thread...


Personally, I think it will be interesting to see if the A345 can change the A340 fortunes with SQ.

Undoubtedly the A345 is an excellent liner and currently the best in the world in its class. However, the 772LR will soon be a reality and SQ has invested heavily in the triple-seven family. It will be hard for them not to buy the Boeing Global Ranger!

Economics suggest that an entire 777 family may be the smarter buy, regardless of whether the 772LR or the A345 is the better individual performer. After all, that's what AI banks on with their "families" of airliners.

But SQ are well know for dumping their entire previous fleets for new performers. Maybe it's time for the A345 and A346 given that SQ has a new flag-ship on the horizon - the A380!

Time will tell.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone, I'm off to the Marlborough Sounds on Boxing Day. Last post for the year.

Regards
MH





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