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New Service To Sanford, FL?  
User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Anyone know of any airlines looking to add flights to SFB? Seems like Pan AM and Trans Meridian are setting up mini-hubs there. Still, the airport is a ghost town. I think the ole "build it and they will come" was a flop with this one.


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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Well during the summer (busiest time for this airport) the airport receives the European charters mainly from the UK (to a much lesser extent during the winter). And from the Americas they get Pan AM, Southeast , Transmeridian, Jetsgo (year round) - so I wouldn't call this airport a flop at all. Of course it does not have the traffic MCO has.


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User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2624 times:

Chep...if you could see the domestic and international terminals (and how desolate they are), and the amount of money that was invested in this airport, you would think otherwise.


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Consider how much TMA and Southeast are growing, I wouldn't complain. They found their niches and are expanding on them as quick as possible. However, they don't need to go out and expand too fast and get caught with their pants down.

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

just wondering, why doesn't anyone actually want to try it? If airlines like WN and B6 were bigger, I could see it working for them.

How come Dsiney never built an airport on their property?


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

With the European airlines that fly into SFB, are most of the travelers through there leisure or business?


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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

I hope SFB is able to make a go of it! I just would hate to see it become Central Florida's Mirabel. The focus does seem to be Charter oriented, but that's not a bad thing. Cost effective, to say the least, and I'm sure customs isn't as congested. Smile


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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

When NJ was expanding to Orlando, they considered SFB, but eventually decided on MCO. I assume MCO simply offered them a competitive deal, or SFB wanted nearly the same money. Either way, MCO seems to come out on top quite a lot in airline's decision making.

SFB will become necessary if MCO ever becomes significantly overcrowded. However, MCO still has room to grow, and I doubt there will be significant growth in Sanford in the near future.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32785 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

With the European airlines that fly into SFB, are most of the travelers through there leisure or business?


Hehe, business travel between Orlando and Europe. Now there's a concept.

Stanford's European service is all charter service, which caters almost exclusively to leisure travelers. They get charter flights from all over the United Kingdom.



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

From the UK, charter flights to Sanford operate from:
Edinburgh,Glasgow,Prestwick,Newcastle,Manchester,Birmingham,Cardiff,Gatwick,Luton?,Stansted? and Belfast.
Flights operated by MyTravel,Britannia,Thomas Cook,Monarch,European,Air Atlanta Europe using A330,B763,B742 a/c



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

...if you could see the domestic and international terminals (and how desolate they are), and the amount of money that was invested in this airport, you would think otherwise.

SFB can be like a zoo in the peak European travel season to Florida - it may be desolate right now, but at other times when the likes of Spotty-M, Air 2K, Tommy Cook, EAAC and all the others decend on it, its overcrowded not desolate.

Andy


User currently offlinePilotNtrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

With SFB being so close to MCO, I don't think it would be a wise descision for any major carrier to invest in that airport. All the majors are already at MCO. I can see maybe a few regionals, but not a major.


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User currently offlineGLAguy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

"SFB can be like a zoo in the peak European travel season to Florida..." Spot on Andy.

I was lured by the cheap flights, and the chance to fly on a 747-200 operated by Air Atlanta Europe, and flew LGW - SFB in October. I usually fly LGW - ATL - MCO with Delta and I found there to be a huge difference between these two "Orlando" airports.

When checking in for the flight home it was like a cattle market; screaming kids, drunk and disorganised passengers and lines that moved very slowly. The facilities for passengers aren't great either in comparison to MCO and the whole thing just said "Charter Airport" to me.

Perhaps one of several reasons why it is used mainly by charter airlines and not by the major scheduled carriers.

This is just my opinion based on one return trip through SFB, but if I had the choice of flying cheap through SFB or at a higher fare into MCO, I would gladly pay extra for the comfort and facilities of the superior airport.


User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Whoa whoa people, let's get one thing straight here - SFB was NOT designed as a commecial airport. It is Florida's busiest general aviation airport, and in fact is # 19 in the world as far as movements (take off/landing). Obviously a small small percentage of those movements are airliners, which just shows how vibrant and active the airport is for GA.

The best description I can think of is that of a general aviation airport with an International terminal that just happens to be attached. It truly is one of the most eclectic mixes of traffic, and very very cool to see 747s and A330s holding for C-152 or PA-44s.

Regarding the terminal facilities there, the expansion was needed. As mentioned above, the terminal must handle 10+ widebodies at a time at peak times, which is no small feat. They even have to close down the center runway (9C/27C) because the widebodies extended dangerously close to the runway edge.



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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

How come Dsiney never built an airport on their property?

Well, they're getting the next best thing with a high-speed rail direct from MCO to Disney, subsidized by Florida taxpayers. A couple of years ago, there was an ill-advised ballot initiative forcing Florida to build high-speed rail by, I think, 2010. So, now they're building it from MCO to Tampa and Disney "graciously" donated some land in exchange for a stop. Disney's preference would be for you to see nothing that's not on their property during your stay. Come, give us most of your disposable income, and leave.


Cheers,
Dave in Orlando.



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User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

That's why I stay at the Marriott Wolrd Center. NOt on Disney property, but close.

I seriously think that if Disney built an airport, the airlines would go there instead of MCO or Sanford. Oh well, another monorail is good enough!


User currently offlineCitationX From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Overall, SFB is considered a success. The basic airport infrastructure was a virtual "gift" from the US Navy. The subsequent terminal, runway and ramp improvements are specifically designed to accommodate European charter operators and the bonds floated to pay for them are being serviced without tapping into general revenues. As Skymonster pointed out, SFB has weekend peaks, where A330s, 767s, et. al. swarm SFB's ramp area.

The Greeneway (SR 417 expressway) allows SFB passengers to reach Orlando's resort areas in just 45 minutes, which is fine for overseas charter passengers. While there is a large suburban population around SFB, the Greeneway allows those commuters to reach MCO is less than 30 minutes, so the demand for domestic service at SFB is light. Why pay higher fares for fewer choices of flights out of SFB when MCO has some of the lowest fares in the country and a host of direct flight offerings?



User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Oh well, another monorail is good enough!

Is it a monorail? If so, I'd hardly call it "ill advised". I was under the impression, though, that it was going to be either a TGV-style system or an attempt at MAGLEV (which is different from monorail in some important aspects - http://www.monorails.org).

The tails of the widebodies nearly extend to the runway? Sounds like they should just close that runway and use the parallel runway farther out.




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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

It is indeed supposed to be some sort of Maglev. There's still a lot about the project that's up for grabs. I called it ill-advised because there's simply not a lot of Orlando-Tampa demand to drive it and it's going to cost a fortune.

I'd rather see right-of-ways for local light rail preserved as Orlando continues to develop at such a breakneck pace. Local mass transit is limited to Lynx busses that are only of any use if you're going downtown. But Orlando is so politically impotent and lacking in vision that they'll only begin to discuss it when gas is at $3.00 a gallon and many homes will have to be eminent domained and torn down to make it happen.

But hey, that's just my $.02. Merry Christmas.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando (or East Orange County, more precisely)



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