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LGA Ever Get A 747?  
User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

Anyone know if LGA ever had a 747 or C5?


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User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8498 times:

LGA does get heavies, but the only jet with two/three engines that comes around here (or HAS EVER come around here) is the BAe Avro. haha a 747...

i have prophesized the low level flyby of the AN225 or a 747 over runway 22, though  Big grin.



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User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8488 times:

Other than the Jetstar and ARJ, I cant think of any other 4 engine a/c that have ever ops into LGA. Maybe the 7 and 8 in the day?


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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8473 times:

Don't quote me on this, but they had this topic on a month or so and I think I remember reading someone had seen it once. I think the thread is "Could a 747 land at LGA?"  Smile
Cheers!



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13554 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8461 times:
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The running joke is that any 747 landing at LGA will have to be turned into a diner.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8451 times:

I've heard that too! Big grin


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User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8432 times:

Thanks atldl...I am still new to this, so I didnt look before I asked.  Sad


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8418 times:
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They have had a few 747's diverted from JFK.

THis usually happens when I am flying Canarsie approach to 13R and have to go around.

































I am A senior Capt on Qantas Virtual Airlines. And it happens all the time when I fly  Wink/being sarcastic


SEriously though, I am not sure. IM me and I can tell you where to go for perhaps more information.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8325 times:

hey

the biggest scheduled planes that LGA gets is a Delta 767-400. I no that United used to opperate there DC-10s from LGA to O'Hare, My dad flew out of LGA to O'Hare on a DC-10. Actully the biggest planes that ever opperated LGA was the CLIPPER!!



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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8211 times:

Alitalia MD-11 is right....the biggest LGA gets now is Delta 767-400s and ATAs 757-300s......In the past there have been DC-10s and L-1011s.

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8163 times:

I recall seeing a photo of a PIA 747 at LGA because of a diversion recently (as in the past 6 months or so)

Greg



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8127 times:

I think LGA only got the DC-10 10 series, not the 30 series. I think the 30 series was too heavy, not sure though.

A 747 could theoretically (sp?) land and take off on LGA's 7,000 ft runways, 747s often land on EWR's runway 11/29 on windy days. EWR's runway 11/29 is shorter than LGA's at 6,800 ft x 150ft, I've seen 747s land there within the last year.

11/29 was a favorite of the old PeoplExpress because it's right in front of where the old North Terminal used to sit, PE flew 747s from 11/29 all the time.

The only thing preventing 747s from using LGA are the runway ends which are actually piers (can't take the weight), and the gate area which was/ is too small for even a 767 let only a 747.



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User currently offlineJETSTAR From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8103 times:
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I doubt that any 747 has ever landed at LGA, even as a diversion.

Airports in close proximity to LGA capable of handling 747's besides JFK are Newark, Stuart Intl. and Suffolk Airport.

The last 2000 or so feet of runways 31 and 4 are built out on concrete piers into Flushing Bay and I don't think they can handle the weight of a 747.

The only way a 747 would land at LGA would be in a dire emergency where they had to get on the ground as soon as possible.


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7948 times:

Akjetblue:
Not to worry...My search does'nt work at times, so no biggie! It happens ! I've done a couple of repeats myself! Welcome to airliners.net!  Big thumbs up
Happy Holidays!



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User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

Singapore Air, many many 747s fly to EWR.

USHummer..the PIA shot at LGA was a fake..never happened.

There is a credible person who remembers his dad telling him that Pan Am brought a 747 to LGA during the initial "tour" back in '70 or whenever it was.

I doubt this ever happened, and no one seems able to confirm it, but if it ever happened at all, that would have been it.

Tom


User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7886 times:

Also, to the best of my knowledge, no 707s or DC-8s or Convair jets ever landed at LGA either; though I would love to find out otherwise and stand corrected on that.

User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

Hey Akjetblue:
Your thread is not a total repeat! You also asked about the C5...No-one to my knowledge asked that before!  Smile
Happy Holidays dude!



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User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7815 times:

As a long time employee at LGA (Since 1985) I can verify no 747 has ever
landed at LGA, nor 777, 330/340. There used to be lots of DC-10's, L-1011's,
A-300's an once and hopefully again an Airbus Beluga !



LGA777


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7756 times:

I do remember as a kid when RFK was assasinated, they brought back one of the Air Force One series-a 707 to LGA for his funeral- I was only ten at the time, but I remember watching the funeral with my dad on TV and they brought him back to LGA for the trian ride to Massachusetts and my dad was amazed thet they went into LGA with a 707. And how my dad knew LGA! But, that was at least thirty-five years ago, so.......I've also heard that when Idlewild opened, they could divert to LGA with the jets, depending on certain things: weight, etc. They just couldn't take-off with a full payload. The terminal at LGA just wasn't set up for the jets ! This was right after the jets were introduced. I always thought my dad was wrong about that(the RFK thing) but, if so, one of the few times if is indeed the case.  Smile


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7660 times:

Didn't the Airbus A300 Super Guppy fly there within the past year or so bringing in a rudder for a crippled A320?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7566 times:

"Singapore Air, many many 747s fly to EWR. "

Yeah EWR gets plenty of 747s, EWR has three runways..

11,000 ft

9,900 ft

6,800 ft

All capable of handling 747s no problem, the 6,800 ft runway even handles 747s as mentioned.

LGA is unique because the ends of the runways are built on piers which precludes "heavy" aircraft like the 777 or 747, also the gates and concourses are not capable of handling such large aircraft.



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User currently offlineBig777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7537 times:

Cicadajet mentioned "There is a credible person who remembers his dad telling him that Pan Am brought a 747 to LGA during the initial "tour" back in '70 or whenever it was."

Wow, I was remembered when I was young kid first time to LGA between 1973 to 1974. I saw something Pan Am 747SP at LGA. I did not know anything about LGA has short runways. I was trying to flash back my mind in the past to picture of Pan Am 747SP at LGA. Maybe I was wrong. But I'm sure I saw it. Oh Man! Has anyone heard or seen Pan Am have landed at LGA in 1970's?

Big777jet



User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7494 times:

Well if a C-130 could land on an aircraft carrier (Enterprise?) then it's possible a 747 could land at LGA.


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User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7343 times:

First, I'm excited that someone remembered my joke thread about the PIA 747 diversion.

Here is the picture I made of it:



Then MikePhotos (Mike McLaughlin) claimed his shot from inside the terminal of this:



As for the PanAm 747, I've heard this rumor too, and it is a popular one. I happened to sit down and interview LGA Gneral Manager Warren Kroeppel recently for a magazine article and asked him about it.

He said he never heard such a thing, and that it is highly doubtful.

I'll stand by him and say no, a 747 probably has never come into LGA.

The Delta 767-400 is the largest plane to every operate LGA.

The piers of the LGA runways create several problems, regardless of runway length. So much to the point that the A300 was forbidden to fly into LGA after a while becuase the narrow wheel base on the plane put so much concetrated pressure on the runways.

Yes, the Airbus Beluga did fly into LGA once as well, as confirmed by the LGA GM during the interview also.

If you have other questions, maybe I can help some.




Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6822 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Yeah, it would be nice to know what airliners were allowed into LGA over the years. In the 1950s there were no 1049s or DC-7-- but in the 60s EA/TW did bring 1049C/Gs in (but no scheduled DC-7s AFAIK). DC-10s are allowed there now, so is there any rule prohibiting Travolta landing there in his 707?

707s were scheduled into MKC's 7000-ft runway, even JT3C-powered 707-120s. But never into LGA AFAIK.


25 Futterman : As stated before, in the very early years of LGA, the Clippers 'O the Sea were everywhere. La Guardia was without the piers at the time, and had very
26 Timz : It wasn't only the B314s that flew transatlantic out of LGA. BOAC-PAA-TWA were all there until 1949 or so. BOAC and PAA B377s had to use Idlewild, but
27 Post contains links Csavel : According to the Convair 880 restoration site, the 880 they are restoring "in 1962 it set another record, which it still holds today, from LaGuardia A
28 Post contains links and images Cicadajet : Wow.. thats interesting about the Convair jet at LGA.. I wouldn't doubt it, its just that it appeared there is little documentation of them ever havin
29 RayChuang : You can forget about flying the 747 in and out of LGA for two reasons: 1. The runways are too short for safe 747 takeoffs and landings. 2. The concret
30 Jcxp15 : RayChuang: It's not the runways are too short (i.e. I think SXM's runway is shorter or the same size), it all about the weight. If there were no piers
31 Bigphilnyc : The GM of LGA said the IL62 rumor seemed false, although he wasnt too sure. Didnt make sense to him.
32 Post contains images AA717driver : Yes, a 747 once landed on runway 4 at LGA. In fact, it's still there--AT THE BOTTOM OF FLUSHING BAY! I think one set of approach lights for 22 are mou
33 Timz : "Hence, the first terminal at LGA was the MAT--Marine Air Terminal." Arend says the land terminal opened 12/39, the MAT 3/40.
34 STT757 : "The runways are too short for safe 747 takeoffs and landings" As mentioned LGA's runways are 7,000ft x 150 ft which is plenty for 747s to safely oper
35 RiverVisualNYC : When I was a kid, I often flew Eastern L-1011s or A300s from LGA, but I don't recall ever seeing a 747 there, and in fact you cannot find a pic of thi
36 Bigphilnyc : The largest aircraft into LGA was/is the 767-400....which is bigger than the L-1011 and DC-10.
37 Cicadajet : Which begs the question.. does a half pax loaded, moderately fueled 767-400 outwiegh a near empty pax and low fuel 747 on LGAs tender & fragile pier?
38 Cicadajet : RiverVisual, if we went by the Database, we'd have to assume the concorde never landed in New Jersey at EWR or at Bangor Maine... events that happened
39 Bigphilnyc : I think another question would be is can a 747 land on runway 31 or 4 and stop before even getting near the pier? Isn't that LAHSO? How mcuh of the ru
40 Timz : Runway 31 was 5900+ ft before the pier-- so theoretically possible for a 747. Turns out TWA moved their transatlantic flights from LGA to IDL in 4/51.
41 MSYtristar : I guess it would depend on how heavy the aircraft is upon landing. A lightly loaded 74 could come to a stop before reaching the pier section of the ru
42 Maiznblu_757 : Muskegon Michigan had a UPS 747 for an airshow once. 6500ft... But a freighter is much more versatile than a regular 747.. There are no seats etc... L
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