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AF Cancels Flight CDG-LAX For Security Reasons  
User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10442 times:

Just heard on TV that Reuters is reporting that AF canceled a flight to LAX because of security concerns, haven't been able to find it on the internet though. Anyone have other information?

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User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10382 times:

It looks like they might be cancelling all flights from Frane to the US according to BBC News!

Farhan Ali
Seattle, USA


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10278 times:

Actually, both AF 068 and AF070 CDG-LAX were cancelled today. AF068 was supposed to leave CDG at 1:25PM LT and AF070 at 7:00PM LT.
AF070 is the flight that continues from LAX to PPT


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10218 times:

CDG-ATL 316 operated as usual, and 304 is scheduled to operate...the lone CDG-CVG was cancelled, as was both CDG-LAX


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User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10217 times:

It's only AF flights to LAX. BBC has just changed it. Earlier they were saying all France-US flights were being cancelled.

Farhan Ali
Seattle, USA


User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

FoxNews is reporting that the flights were cancelled after Air France was contacted by the US embassy in Paris. They are saying two Air France flights to LAX, and an "Air Tahiti" flight (Perhaps AF Codeshare) flying to LAX and then PPT was also cancelled.

[Edited 2003-12-24 20:05:43]


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10104 times:

Does Air France operate CDG-CVG, or is that a DL codeshare?


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10028 times:

CDG-CVG is "served" by Air France as AF382 (operated by Air France) and AF8700 (operated by Delta as flight 43)...AF382 has been cancelled, DL43 is operating approximately an hour behind schedule...


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9998 times:
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So here's a random thought...if they've identified the passengers and/or crewmembers who present a threat to that aircraft, why not just arrest them at CDG and allow the flight to operate as planned?  Big grin

[Edited 2003-12-24 20:20:35]


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User currently offlineGLAguy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9983 times:

Link to this item on Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=4042525

Not much info though.

Anyone know the circumstances of these cancellations?


User currently offlineSaab340 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 320 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9981 times:

Only if life were so simple EA CO AS!!!
You know better than that... I hope..


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9914 times:
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You know better than that... I hope..

Sorry, I neglected to add the big "I'm being a smartass" smiley to the end of my post.



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User currently offlineAirJamPanAm From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9828 times:

Here is a fairly comprehensive explanation


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3775771/



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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9806 times:

So here's a random thought...if they've identified the passengers and/or crewmembers who present a threat to that aircraft, why not just arrest them at CDG and allow the flight to operate as planned?

The fact that they've cancelled more than one flight indicates to me that the threat may be a general one, e.g. someone tipped them off that there might be an incident on a CDG-LAX or CDG-CVG flight. If the threat were more specific, that's probably what they would have done.



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User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9792 times:

FoxNews is now reporting these flights were targeted by Al-Qaeda, the same flights are now also cancelled tommorrow.


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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9775 times:
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France 2 TV channel reported VERY HIGH SECURITY THREAT on all AF flights from Paris to California.
They were advised directly from the CIA.

Damned Al-Qaeda  Sad  Sad

FB.



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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9659 times:

Air Tahiti flight to LAX cancelled also.

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Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9624 times:

the good thing is that through AF and their partners, they are able to reconnect their passengers. However, espically around Christmas, this is a huge inconvinence.

still puzzeled about the Paris-CVG flight.

I think this whole terror alert thing is reall dumb, but when there is enough informatino to cancel a flight, I begin to think that maybe its not so bad.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

The CDG-CVG flight continues to LAX.

What other US airlines does AF partner with besides DL? Does the new NW/CO alliance help that situation at all? I would assume many LAX-bound passengers would be re-routed through EWR, ATL, IAH, DTW, and MSP.



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9497 times:

Do you remember that on 9.11, the world in general was filled with disbelief with what actually happened. This happened because nobody believed it was possible and were extremely surprised. Now whenever the US raises the threat levels, and shares advice, people tend to say that it is all hot air and over reaction. I would love to think that it was, but sadly, I do not.

Sadly with the level of direct specific concern, It is sadly likely that we are about the face another Islamic driven dark day.


User currently onlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5057 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9333 times:

Cancelling the flights was a mistake. Now the terrorists will be free to go somewhere else.

I realize it was a general threat but still, you could examine the manifest and pick out certain pax or random searches and if there was anyone on those flights who was going to do bad they would get them.

If they nailed it down to a certain airline and destination i would have been easy for authorities to go thru 300 people and find the bad one.

Just think, if someone wanted to board a paris - LA flight an blow it up, and the flight was cancelled, those pax are being put on other flights so now who knows where that bad person will end up. maybe over YOUR town!

But yeah, I agree with Jeremy (artsyman) we have not seen the end of air terrorism. We just keep putting it off.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9324 times:
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It seems to me, that Al-Qaeda really tries to target California.

The most recent security threats were all targeting SFO, LA, ...

Maybe they want to show they can hit both US coasts. Sad, very sad.




FB



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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9246 times:

If they nailed it down to a certain airline and destination i would have been easy for authorities to go thru 300 people and find the bad one.

They actually did this, at least according to what I heard. They cancelled the flights suddenly and without notice after they had gone through the passengers waiting to board and mustered them for known terrorists.

What would you have suggested they do - allow them to board, take control of the aircraft resulting in it being subsequently shot down or worse?

Dave



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9192 times:
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Les vols concernés au départ de Paris sont l'AF068 et l'AF070 le 24 décembre, et le AF068 le 25 décembre. Les vols concernés au départ de Los Angeles sont l'AF069 le 24 décembre et l'AF071 et l'AF069 le 25 décembre, a-t-elle ajouté.

Which means:

AF 068/070 CDG-LAX on 24th dec are cancelled.
AF 069 frm LAX to CDG is cancelled on 24th dec.
AF 069/071 frm LAX to CDG are cancelled on 25th dec.

This was quoted by French Minister of Defence Michelle Alliot-Marie.



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9158 times:

Personally I think the threat is of a shoot down, not an on board bomb. I think they should have kept the cancelation private, and scoured the areas around LAX looking for nutjobs

Jeremy


25 GoAround : From Air Tahiti Nui website: As of 12:10pm PST all Air Tahiti Nui flights systemwide are operating as scheduled for Dec 24 & 25. Due to increased secu
26 Ual747 : I was thinking of the plane being shot down from the ground rather than a bomb on board as well. Can you imagine the anxiety those people are going th
27 Post contains links Clickhappy : Al-Qaeda? Do you mean THIS Al-Qaeda?
28 Maiznblu_757 : Hopefully the French government realizes that the effort to not support the US in the war, although probably appreciated by the terrorist groups, does
29 Cba : Yes, they should have cancelled them due to mechanical problems or some other excuse. They don't need to go telling everyone in the world that they ca
30 Expex : Cba - I understand where your coming from but as an airline employee I can tell you suspicions would be raised if every flight you operated between tw
31 Longhaulheavy : Reuters now reporting that al Qaeda infiltrated Air France, not just targeted the flights. Yikes. Somehow, this is not surprising, especially consider
32 Flying Belgian : @Maiznblu 757: Make a clear distinction between the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan. Don't come with such brainless judgements. France never pr
33 ElectraBob : Folks, I just checked my December American Express Sky Guide -- The CDG-CVG AF Flight #382 Lv CDG 1015a Ar CVG 125p --- does not operate Dec 24 Unless
34 StarAC17 : Hopefully the French government realizes that the effort to not support the US in the war, although probably appreciated by the terrorist groups, does
35 OPNLguy : >>>It is sadly likely that we are about the face another Islamic driven dark day. Artsyman, With all due respect, I have to take polite exception with
36 Ssides : Yes, they should have cancelled them due to mechanical problems or some other excuse. They don't need to go telling everyone in the world that they ca
37 Flairport : the CDG-CVG flight does not operate on Wednesday for AF, however, they codeshare with DL. Vica Versa for tomorrow.
38 Post contains links PiedmontGirl : According to the following article, the is good evidence that Air France has, in fact, been infiltrated by al Qaeda. Courtesy of the MSNBC.com site: h
39 RiverVisualNYC : Without any specific information, sounds like more French-bashing by the Bush Administration. Why is it safe for US airlines to fly out of CDG today (
40 SR117 : From the MSNBC article PiedmontGirl posted... "The U.S. official said Washington was trying to get other flights grounded, one or more of which may be
41 F9Widebody : So if they wanted to "French Bash", why did they only cancel flights to LAX? Also, why did they cancel an Air Tahiti flight?[Edited 2003-12-24 22:40:1
42 Benjamin : As an example, imagine timothy McVeigh, the guy they captured right after the Oklahoma City Federal Building was bombed. I don't know what his faith w
43 RiverVisualNYC : Funny how despite all the beating up on foreigners going on in here, 100% of the aircraft-used-as-missiles to date have been US airliners on US domest
44 Benjamin : It's time to stop all the nationalistic and racist BS and realize that security is EVERYONE's responsiblility, and you can't be 100% safe What are you
45 OPNLguy : >>>Typical babble. Finding one example does not disprove a general trend. Learn statistics. In fact, learn math. Answer this one simple question: Of t
46 RiverVisualNYC : I'm talking about the branding of Muslims as terrorists by people who probably have never met a Muslim. You are the same people that 40 years ago prob
47 Jcs17 : As an example, imagine timothy McVeigh, the guy they captured right after the Oklahoma City Federal Building was bombed. I don't know what his faith w
48 OPNLguy : >>>Wrong. NO ONE in America or Christinaity supported what Timothy McVeigh did except for a small militia or two. I never said anyone did. Go back and
49 RiverVisualNYC : Josh-nice to be called ignorant by a sub-20 year old Texan, have you ever been out of the US or for that matter, out of Texas? You were what, like 10
50 EA CO AS : I'm going to say to hell with being "correct" or even "fair" and agree with Benjamin...and even though we've seen it a million times, here's a refresh
51 Aaway : "Typical babble. Finding one example does not disprove a general trend. Learn statistics. In fact, learn math. Answer this one simple question: Of th
52 GLAguy : France has the largest Muslim community in Europe. May be now they will ask themselves a question "Why did we let them come to France first?"and after
53 RiverVisualNYC : If we're going to list facts here, here are some more: 1) the US blindly supports Israel in its occupation of Palestine, despite the violation by Isra
54 OPNLguy : >>>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 Last time I attempt to make this point... What about: 1. The Muslim males between 17
55 Gabep : I fail to see how canceling a few AF flights prevents a plane from being shot down. If the AF flight doesn't show up then you go for the next full bir
56 Artsyman : EA CO AS, I was just about to post the same thing, I am tired of this "oh that's tarnishing the Muslim community" crap As long as the there is no poss
57 GLAguy : Do you see a pattern that would justify profiling to protect us by identifying Muslim males between the ages of 17 and 40? I sure as hell do. No, but
58 EA CO AS : OPNLguy - The validity of the screening goal aside, you can't lump 1-4 above in with the bad guys... Yes, you can. It sucks, but you can. While I see
59 RiverVisualNYC : Other than being from AF out of CDG, the only other thing these flights had in common was the destination, LAX. By the time they got into US airspace
60 OPNLguy : >>>Yes, you can. It sucks, but you can. It not only sucks, it's also wrong. (In case you wondered why some of the other 99.999% of the Muslim world do
61 EA CO AS : "Extremists"....a very important word in all of this. Absolutely, but I'm not naive enough to believe that Muslim extremists will say, "Why yes, as a
62 Artsyman : n case you wondered why some of the other 99.999% of the Muslim world doesn't like us... **** They don't like anyone though. They hate the French, the
63 Post contains images Bruce : I live in a city that is known for its ties to NASA and our space Program; the International space Station's ground control is here; and also the plac
64 VirginFlyer : EA CO AS - "Yes, you can. It sucks, but you can." Is that the same way you can stick all the Jews in the same position, because your economy is failin
65 RiverVisualNYC : Jeremy- sorry to alarm you, but there are many people in the world and yes, some of them aren't Christian, and some of them aren't even white, and man
66 Artsyman : RiverVisual, I am not sure what your point is, I was saying that the average Palestinian is a christian, not a Muslim, therefore why is it important t
67 Post contains links Jcs17 : Here's a little quote from a recent article: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031224/D7VL0RN00.html A spokesman for French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre
68 Maiznblu_757 : @Flying Belgian You honestly think that the terrorists didnt care that we were in Iraq? There is no distinction.
69 Artsyman : Rather than debate this all night, think about this. Today we have a very high threat level, and it is being caused by an Islamic organization. I have
70 Jcs17 : Maiznblu_757, so you're trying to say that if the US hadn't invaded Iraq, Al-Qaeda would not be so intent on attacking America? Thats not true at ALL.
71 Post contains images OPNLguy : >>>They don't like anyone though. They hate the French, they hate the British, they hate everyone. And -you- are omnipotent enough to know (absolutely
72 Maiznblu_757 : JCS, Use your noggin. It didnt help matters any did it? I fully supported taking Saddam out, but, it just added fuel to the already burning fire.
73 Jcs17 : So true, Jeremy, I have been saying the same thing for the past year and a half on a.net. The leaders of those nations and more moderate nations may m
74 Aaway : "The first rights of America are to the American people ,not to the people that wish to visit. Let them search whomever they want, fingerprint whomeve
75 Benjamin : It's actually funny to see how your selfishness and ego make you automatically assume you are right. Of course you are right. Right? But then, people
76 VirginFlyer : Jcs17 - No one*should* be killing others, thats the whole point. However, there is a difference between understanding why something is happening, and
77 Jcs17 : Use your noggin. It didnt help matters any did it? I fully supported taking Saddam out, but, it just added fuel to the already burning fire. Despite w
78 Rjpieces : "RiverVisual, I am not sure what your point is, I was saying that the average Palestinian is a christian, not a Muslim, therefore why is it important
79 Artsyman : And -you- are omnipotent enough to know (absolutely) what's in the hearts of all the zillions of Muslims in the world? **** No, but if you knew how to
80 Danialanwar : ... the Saudi and Kuwaiti royal families, who run their countries based on strict Islamic law No they dont ... there are no kingdoms under Islamic law
81 RiverVisualNYC : Aa- good points there. The problem is alot of people here seem to define "American" as meaning caucasian and christian, i.e. what is sometimes called
82 Tbear815 : I am certainly NOT going to jump into the fray between anyone. I was taught never to discuss sex or religion. My only input is that yesterday or Monda
83 Artsyman : Well said Rod, all the best to you and yours also Jeremy
84 Aaway : RiverVis, Thanks! Peace to all this day, this night, this nation, this World. Our people!
85 VH-KCT* : I agree, Tbear. Let's just leave this thread - it's Christmas, after all! This is the time to be with your family, have a nice meal (and a bit of a bl
86 Longhaulheavy : Kevin:France has the largest Muslim community in Europe. May be now they will ask themselves a question "Why did we let them come to France first?"and
87 RiverVisualNYC : America has some pretty decrepit places too, some of you just choose not to look on your way to the golf course or the mall. Anyway, if we can get thi
88 PilotNtrng : RiverVisualNYC, I cannot believe you think the Bush admin. is bashing the French!!! What is wrong with you? If there is a security breech in Europe, A
89 RiverVisualNYC : I believe the report said that despite the fact that no specific security incident had taken place, the US government threatened that if AF didn't can
90 PilotNtrng : Yeah Im sure they said that. Skyteam axis of evil eh? Must be a Democrat cryin that policy isn't going your way. Good choice of words. I believe in th
91 Artsyman : I believe the report said that despite the fact that no specific security incident had taken place, the US government threatened that if AF didn't can
92 EA CO AS : the report said that despite the fact that no specific security incident had taken place, the US government threatened that if AF didn't cancel these
93 Cicadajet : Tim McVeigh dids not enjoy the support of millions of people. Sorry.. thats the way it is. Bad example. Did he even *really* say exactly why he did wh
94 Aerobalance : I am an American, I am Catholic, I am an Infidel, thus I am a target. I am suspect of all Muslims, especially the ones who hide under the cover of a '
95 StarAC17 : I imagine the fuel tanks wouldn't be very full, but 9/11 indicated that full tanks are key to getting the maximum impact in that sort of attack. I'm a
96 Artsyman : Artsyman you can't possibly really believe this. For it to be true wouldn't the terrorists try and take over the governments of Middle east nations. *
97 Maiznblu_757 : JCS, LOL.. Do you watch the news? The reason Al Quaida doesnt like us is because we are on their turf. Thats what the beef is about. They dont want us
98 Longhaulheavy : StarAC17: For it to be true wouldn't the terrorists try and take over the governments of Middle east nations. Umm...they are! Saudi Arabia is constant
99 MSPman : Merry Christmas! Death to Bin Laden! JB
100 Varig md-11 : " they must have "forgot" that US saved there asses in both the WW and in Nam " The French know who liberated them and don't hate the U.S. : they just
101 GOTbound : If I remember my history correctly... first official US Military advisor arrived in Nam 1956 and first operative units in 1957... The French pulled ou
102 Varig md-11 : it's so very funny to be given lectures by someone coming from a country which never had any colony (except Finland) and which constantly was "Neutral
103 GOTbound : Hmmmm, not to disrespect your history knowledge my French friend... Sweden had colonies in North America, more precisely in Delaware, sold to the Neth
104 FinnWings : Hello! I think there is one FACT that everyone of us should accept: This is an AVIATION forum and here should be discussed AVIATION RELATED issues! Ri
105 Sebolino : It's true that France is against the Iraq campaign ( they must have "forgot" that US saved there asses in both the WW and in Nam) Another very smart c
106 AirGabon : Hi !! I'm French, I like USA very much, I know USA very well and I assure that you can't generalize: French are not anti-Americans !! I think there ar
107 Varig md-11 : dear friends thanks for your cheezy coments about "this is an aviation forum blablabla" but why is it you don't make such comments when smart asses de
108 Travelin man : Um... I think there's a topic in here somewhere. Hello? Topic? Where are you? Oh yeah, here you are: The US government had specific evidence regarding
109 DCAYOW : Terrorism is not unique to Islam... EA CO AS you forgot the following... Who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City? A. al-Qae
110 RiverVisualNYC : Hey, CNN is reporting that some Democrats, some non-white, non-Christian people, and one of the thousands of people with similar-sounding ethnic names
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