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Why No Wingtips On The 777?  
User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Hi, I was wondering why there are no wing tips on the 777?

What is the reason?


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User currently offlineRthrbeflying86 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

I'm pretty sure you mean winglets....not having wing tips might prove to be quite a problem.

Merry Christmas!



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User currently offlineBig777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Actually, the only Boeing 777-300ER has raked winglets same as Boeing 767-400.

Merry XMas!

Big777jet



[Edited 2003-12-25 18:41:57]

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

The 777s wing was designed powerful and excellent enough not to need winglets.

User currently offlineKLM777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

The wing of the 777 is very long and at the end very thin. This means there is less induced drag than on a standard wing, because there is less air moving from below the wing to the top of the wing.

Maybe winglets could even increase the efficiency, but winglets means weight and especially at the end of the wing this is not a very positive thing (the weight itself has to be carrier up which costs fuel but it also creates more momentum and thus bigger joints and structure at the root of the wing). So if you weigh up the pros and cons winglets do not always increase efficiency.

I hope I explained this well.

Kind regards,

Jeroen



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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

i dont know how a wing is designed powerful, but besides that, the 777 wing was designed in a way that the wingtip vortex is minimal, therefore the weight of any special structure on the wingtip (rake or winglet or whatever) would outweight the gain from it.
that calculation seems to have changed in favour of the raked tip with the 300ER and 200LR, therefore they have raked tips.
it is all a matter of efficiency, similar with the 737NG. to some operators the savings make sense, to others the efficiency gain does not outweight the penalty from the weight, therefore they are not economical.
the wingtip game is just like any other game in aviation, you only add weight if you get enough improvement out of it to make up for it.
in some cases this is just not the case.



10=2
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

This topic has been beaten to death in tech/ops, and I'm pretty sure Moolies was a participant in one of those threads.  Laugh out loud

The wing was extremely efficient without any winglet or fence.

The 777-200LR and 777-300ER both have raked wingtips.

N


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