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Any AA EWR-SFO Routes Possible?  
User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

AA will soon have 13 gates at SFO. People are now starting to wonder, "What routes will be opened?" I would like see AA open EWR-SFO to compete with UA, CO, and ATA. Is this possible? Or how about EWR-SJO?

Anything would be great.


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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

I think some new mainline routes will be opened, but I bet a few Eagle routes will be opened too. Possibly FAT, SMF, SBA, maybe even MRY. It will be interesting to see what routes AA opens up. Possible new mainline routes could be EWR-SFO, IAD-SFO, FLL-SFO. Only time will tell.

User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

Does ATA use the 752 on the EWR-SFO route?


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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

AA61hvy- The 752 is used on the SFO route, as it continues on to Hawaii flights.

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

is it the 753 or 752? I think remember when ATA announced the service that it would be flown with a 753 and 738, but it could have been downgraded.

User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

ATA Uses the B757-300 and the 737-800.

I woul not expect AA to waste fuel on an over served route. ATA is holding their own on this route but not spilling over the top with demand. To add another airline to it would mean less pasengers for all and there for no money to be made by AA either. That does not mean they will not play dirty and try. CO added 3 more daily round trips that route which are not filling up. Lets see how long they keep doing that?


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6142 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

AA61-ATA flys 1 753 and 1 738 on the EWR-SFO flights.
Tommy-its a little early to talk about a AA expansion. The 13 gates will not be for a long time. T2 will not be ready in a least 3-4 years.
I really don't think you you will see a major AA expanstion soon, and on the EWR flights. Its just to flooded. 4 airlines, roughly 15 flights a day. 5-6 UA,7 CO,2 TZ. Not any time soon.
ASSFO



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

With the exception of FLL-SFO, AA won't be opening much, if anything, out of SFO.

With reference to EWR-SJO (did you mean SFO-SJO?). This is, again, not happening (either EWR or SFO). However, American Airlines has been rumoured at being interested in serving LAX-SJO and FLL-SJO. Supposedly, LAX-SJO was a go as of late, but the announcement, and consequently start date, is now on hold.

[Edited 2003-12-26 08:12:48]


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User currently offlineAAnalyst From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

Don't know if I'd look for Eagle to start several new cities from SFO. I know that there are a few cities they've been looking at out of LAX, and think those would be first (think SMF). Besides, Eagle is concentrating on getting rid of the SAABs, and getting ERJs onto the routes.

I definitely don't think AA will go with ANYTHING international. The feeder traffic into SFO is poor, AA relies on SJC in the Bay Area. Hopefully SJC will see some international routes added back (for example, TPE).

I don't know why the focus on SFO here, it's fairly obvious that AA is much happier with SJC in the region.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

MAH4546

I'm sorry, I wasnt thinking clearly last night, I meant SJC!

I didn't know that SFO would take 3-4 for expansion. I guess that is a while off.



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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

UA has 3 daily SFO-EWR flts with a mix of 320/752. They do not have 5 or 6 flights

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16866 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

"UA has 3 daily SFO-EWR flts with a mix of 320/752. They do not have 5 or 6 flights "

Pre September 11th they had 7!  Sad



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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

AA will not have 13 gates at SFO anytime soon. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Terminal 2 renovation is delayed indefinitely. I think 3 to 4 years is extremely optimistic. I'll put my money on 7 at the minimum. The airport is, after all, run by the City of San Francisco. They'll find a way to stretch it out, get some cost overruns going, and steer contracts to their cronies.



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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1523 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

I believe AS739x mentioned on another thread that AA will not have exclusive use of those gates, once they come on line. I tend to believe that as once Pier A is demolished, Pier E would be the logical place for relocation for F9 or TZ and YX. US could colocate with UA.
However consider...
(A) Passenger count for AA mainline @ SFO bested AA @ SJC in 2002 and continues in 2003. Both stations have remarkably similiar routes/service patterns. SJC's unique routes are AUS, LAS, AA), Japan">NRT, OGG. SFO has 1 unique route - MIA. (Note: did not factor AA Eagle replacement or complimentary services, i.e. SFO-SNA/SJC-SNA or SFO-LAX/SJC-LAX)
(B) Availability of oneworld connections @ SFO.
(C) Access to a broader, more diversified economic base via SFO. High yield from/to SJC means the high-tech industry. Reliance on that element has hurt AA substantially @ SJC.
(D) AA has never been "totally" happy @ SJC. IMO, AA has made a go @ SJC for various reasons - (1) Ability to tap into the extensive Bay Area market via dominance at this (alternative) Bay Area field, (B) Lack of add'l gates @ SFO, (C) Airfield delays @ SFO during wx , (D) UA @ SFO and (E) proximity to hi tech @ SJC and environs.

Perhaps AA will conduct cost-benefit at some point. And, probably, it'll be a matter of whether AA wants to continue to be 'the force' in the South Bay, or whether AA wants to nip @ UA in UA's backyard.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6142 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

DeltaSFO-though I agree with you on the long wait for T2. Its promising that they are over there working presently! Maybe at some point the City will realize you need terminal space and a nice terminal to get the new airlines.You can't sqeeze them in after a certain point.
ASSFO



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3141 times:
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It would be interesting to see what AA does in the future at both SFO and SJC. I would like to see more service out of OAK for AA, but they tried both LAX and JFK without any success. If there were any more room at ORD, I would like to see AA restart OAK-ORD service.

I haven't seen them run that route since they flew 727-200's and 727-100's to the west coast.


User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1523 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

Wedgetail,
Actually AA did not do that bad OAK-LAX. AA had decent loads with the mainline svc, even with the limited (4 r/ts) frequency. But WN's prescence killed the yield. Pehaps another reason for AA to consider SFO more seriously - the market is not saturated vis-a-vis SJC, with LCC competition. AE, though a dowgrade from the pax svc perspective, boosted the financial results of the route. If it hadn't been for 9/11, and the need for AE to replace lots of AA hub flying, perhaps AE would still be flying LAX-OAK.

However, OAK-JFK was performing miserably and AA wisely exited quickly.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

AAway- I agree with you about SFO. WN isnt there to kill the yields like at SJC, and there is probably more money to be made there. I am sure if AA got the chance to move to SFO, they would do it in a heartbeat.

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

With the much talked about addition of routes and gates from San Francisco, there is s much potential for American Airlines to grow in the market. San Francisco has always played a very important role in the American Airlines system. If you recall American Airlines has offered service on everything from a 707 to a 747 to a DC-10 to a 737 to and from San Francisco. The transcontinental routes have been a crown jewel for the airline for many years.



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Possible route additions from San Francisco-

SFO-FAT
- American Eagle ERJ
- Direct Competition with United Express

SFO-FLL
- American Airlines 757
- No Competition

SFO-IAD
- American Airlines 757
- Direct Comeptition with United Airlines

SFO-LAS
- American Airlines MD80
- Direct Competition with America West Airlines
- Direct Competition with United Airlines

SFO-LHR
- American Airlines 777
- Assist Code Share Partner British Airways
- Direct Competition with United Airlines
- Direct Competition with Virgin Atlantic

SFO-MCO
- American Airlines 757
- Direct Competition with United Airlines

SFO-MRY
- American Eagle ERJ
- Direct Competition with United Airlines

SFO-OGG
- American Airlines 757
- Direct Competition with ATA
- Direct Competition with United Airlines

SFO-PDX
- American Airlines M80
- Assist *New* Code Share Partner Alaska Airlines
- Direct Competition with United Airlines

SFO-PHX
- American Airlines MD80
- Direct Competition with America West Airlines
- Direct Competition with United Airlines

SFO-RDU
- American Airlines 737-800
- No Competition

SFO-SAN
- American Airlines M80
- Direct Competition with United Airlines

SFO-SEA
- American Airlines M80
- Assist *New* Code Share Partner Alaska Airlines
- Direct Competition with United Airlines

SFO-SMF
- American Eagle ERJ
- Direct Competition with United Express

SFO-TPE
- American Airlines 777
( It has been rumored for a while that AA wants back into Asia)
- Assist *New* Code Share Partner China Airlines
- Direct Competition with EVA Airways





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If American Airlines is going to make an evasive move it should be now. With United Airlines struggling, the best thing for American Airlines to do is to hit United Airlines where it hurts. United Airlines has held San Francisco as its main international gateway for many years. United Airlines also uses San Francisco as its gateway to the Pacific. Look for American Airlines to take a swift aim at its most elusive rival. If American Airlines acts now and moves in slowly but securely they will no doubt make an impressive impact on the San Francisco market.

San Jose, will remain as is with American Airlines. However, the money to be made in the Bay Area is and always has been at San Francisco. Business people and Tourists slike to not care for the 45 minute to an hour trek in from San Jose, and most wouldn’t even bother with the idea of flying into Oakland. San Jose has one very significant purpose in the American Airlines route system- Tokyo/Narita! That is not only San Jose’s premier route, but American Airlines only true service that links Northern California to Asia! The reason that above I have listed SFO-AA), Japan">NRT is that American Airlines is still holding a slot at Narita for its one time intended BOS-AA), Japan">NRT service. American Airlines is now in danger of losing the slot, San Francisco would be a wonderful addition to the American Airlines Tokyo operation. In addition most of American Airlines and its partners would be able to feed at San Francisco to onward connections.

Possible One World Connections at San Francisco-

American Airlines to

Boston
New York/JFK
Los Angeles
Dallas/DFW
St. Louis
Chicago/ORD
Honolulu
Miami
Orange County

Alaska Airlines to

Seattle
Portland
Palm Springs
Boise
Spokane
Vancouver, Canada
Los Cabos, Mexico
Mazatlan., Mexico


British Airways to

London, England


Cathay Pacific to

Hong Kong, Hong Kong


Japan Airlines to

Tokyo, Japan



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Look briefly at the LCC’s attempts over the past 2 years! Jet Blue attempted Oakland to Atlanta and Long Beach to Atlanta, unfortunately they lost to Delta Airlines- Atlantas fortress carrier! (True- Air Tran has a very large Atlanta operation, however in reality it is a mere quarter of the size of Delta Airlines in Atlanta). Within the next few years you will more than likely see a growing trend of major airlines fortressing the “gateway” airports. These airports include ATL, JFK, BOS, MIA, IAD, DFW, IAH, LAX, SFO, SEA, and ORD. More of the low cost airlines such as Jet Blue will hold tight to LGB, OAK, FLL and so on. Jet Blue is doing well at JFK, part of this is due to the timing that the airline was inaugurated. Don’t forget however that Song has also greatly impacted Jet Blues performance in the JFK market, and Song being a Delta Airlines subsidiary has the notarity and frequent flier program that Jet Blue and most other LCC’s lack!

Good Luck to American Airlines and all of its employees!




LHR001


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

SFO-TPE
- American Airlines 777
( It has been rumored for a while that AA wants back into Asia)
- Assist *New* Code Share Partner China Airlines
- Direct Competition with EVA Airways


American Airlines and EVA codeshare on all flights between Taipei and the US with the exception of the Newark-Seattle leg of thier EWR-SEA-TPE service.

The reason that above I have listed SFO-AA), Japan">AA), Japan">NRT is that American Airlines is still holding a slot at Narita for its one time intended BOS-AA), Japan">AA), Japan">NRT service. American Airlines is now in danger of losing the slot.

American Airlines holds no slots. They have route authority, and nothing more. Narita's slot restrictions are extremely strict. I believe an airline looses a slot after three months of inactivity. One of the reasons they didn't start BOS-AA), Japan">NRT was because of the inability to secure good slots.




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