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The Future Of Baghdad International  
User currently offlinePaddy From Taiwan, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

I know this is highly speculative and depends on the many possible outcomes of the current situation in Iraq, but who do you all think will be the first carriers to serve Baghdad, other than Iraqi? What might some possible routes be? Will we ever see any nonstops to the USA? Maybe JFK-Baghdad someday? Or DTW-Baghdad? Feel free to theorize as much as necessary  Nuts

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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Well,

You could easily fly to Baghdad from most Midle Eatsern cities. AMM, DAM, BEY, DXB, AUH, DOH, BAH .....as well, as FRA, LHR, CDG, AMS, IST.

At this point, these routes would do extremely well.

I don't understand why would any american carrier want to fly all the way to Baghdad. The market is certainly there, but other than the symbolic meaniong of operating flights to Baghdad from the US, in terms of profitability airlines need to make a buck (unless all flights are subsidised by the government)


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

Lebanese businessmen taking advantage of the situation in iraq are said to outnumber the US troops...the fastest way to get to baghdad from beirut would be to fly into Amman and drive from there.

I could see beirut being amongst the first cities in the middle east with a need for air service to Iraq.

Eventually there will be flights to the USA from Iraq. But the situation there will have to improve considerably. I can just see it now: American Airlines would like to announce the departure of flight 9623 to Bagg-dad. Then you see an AA triple seven at ex-Saddam International.

The future of baghdad airport will obviously depend on the future of Iraq and the role that the US takes in its reconstruction.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaORD From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

actually, Northwest has already submitted a request it would like to fly to Baghdad, i remember hearing the story on a radio station here in Chicago, it would fly from DTW to AMS then continue to Baghdad.


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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

Iraqi Airways when they are "up to speed" with their operations will eventually have a flight to JFK and possibly IAD and DTW, via LHR or another European destination.

First things first for the "New" Iraqi Airways..

Get operations going to.. (within the next 12-24 months)

Amman, Cairo, Doha, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Riyadh, Jeddah, Kuwait City, Tehran (?..), Beirut, Istanbul.

Then expand to (within the next 24-48 months)

Mumbai, Dehli, London Heathrow, Paris Charles De Gaulle, Frankfurt, Rome, Madrid, Geneva, Zurich, Moscow

Then.. (within the next 3-5 years)

NY JFK, Washington Dulles, Toronto, Detroit, Los Angeles (?.)

Finally Asia within 7 years

China, Jakarta, Japan?..




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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Here's a photo which probably shows most of the Iraqi Airways fleet, there are probably a few others in Basra, Mosul or even outside the Country.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=123190

If they can get these aircraft going they would be in pretty good shape, none have any major structural damage. They just need to have their engines put back on and they need a good cleaning inside and out, Im sure they can find plenty of spare parts in the boneyards for the 727s and the 737-200.

They can probably even find parts for the 747-SP, which would be perfect to restore flights to London.

The 5 727s can be utilized on flights to Amman, Cairo, Doha, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Riyadh, Jeddah, Kuwait City, Beirut, Istanbul.

The 737-200 can be used for flights from Baghdad to Basra and Mosul.

There are plenty of stored 727s and 737-200s that are sitting in the boneyards that can be brought out to add addtional lift when things start taking off, they can worry about more modern 737NGs or A320s later.

The Iraqi Airways Ilyushins also are in relatively good shape, perfect to launch a cargo operation to Europe etc..



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User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

I know that Richard Branson (owner of Virgin) announced last spring that he wanted schedualed service to Baghdad. I dont know if he still wants it.


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User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Just another subject that's been discussed to death . . .

British Airways has rights to operate from London to Baghdad, just as it did previously for over 60 years before the Gulf situation.

They are just waiting for the OK on safety.



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User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

US airlines are afraid of flying to Lagos (LOS), Nigeria, beacuse of insecurity... So imagine in Baghdad...
They will wait for a long time !!


User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Its true, British Airways will, as soon as it’s safe, operate flights to Baghdad.

Maybe with a Boeing 767 or maybe bigger  Smile

Happy New Year

Kimberly.


User currently offlineMohan From India, joined Nov 2003, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

When I was in Baghdad befor the War this year. There was an Iraqi Airways office on Sadoon Street. This office had been turned into a business centre for making international calls

They had a route map and what was surprising to note on it was that Iraqi Airways used to fly to Rio ............

If you remember capture of Saddam International airport....the 747sp was destroyed so were couple of other Iraqi Air ways aircraft. There are a couple of 727's parked @ Queen Alia Intl, Airport Amman.

Gulf Air is scheduled to fly to Basrah Shortly

17 airlines including LOT, Royal Jordanian, EK etc have been given clearence to fly to BGW

Currently only CPA (Coallition Provisional Authority) is operating daily flights to Amman (1000USD return) and you can fly with them only if you are hooked up

DHL was operating till a bit ago...

RJ could any day start flights (4 times a week on the 320) as they did previously prior to the war

I heard somewhere that there was an Iraqi Airways order for Airbus & Gulf War happenned ...any one has info on that....some advance was paid


They will surely need a new fleet........all boeing obviously all their planes have been stripped inside for parts


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

United airlines has also stated that they too would like to fly to Baghdad under a codeshare flight with Lufthansa.

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineStefanDotDe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3666 times:

German LTU wanted to fly to Kabul but crews denied flying. I can imagine that it's more dangerous flying to Bagdad than Kabul right now.

By the way: Jeff, what are you talking about God and Jesus? That's part of your statement or just christian philosophy? Let's pray to allah too then?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3630 times:

As this is to some 66% a rather political thread I 'rob' it and take it to http://forums.arabia.com to continue the discussion there.

User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

"the 747sp was destroyed"

Iraqi Airways has two 747Sp's, this one at Baghdad International is in good condition. All that is needed is to have the engines put back and a thorough washing inside and out, the photos are from July 2003.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=123195

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=123194

The other 747Sp is supposedly stored in Amman, from what I could research.

I found one listing of Iraqi Airways owning a couple 747-200s, can anyone confirm this?..



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

wow...talk about crusty! That thing is gonna need a swimming pool of Mr. Clean to get all that grit and grime outta that thing!

BN747



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User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Expect a parade of private jets belonging to the US corporations that will get all the no bid/restricted bid contracts to 'rebuild' Iraq. Will be a great place to spot G-Vs of the Fortune 500, if you can convince the 18 year old Okie security guard that your Nikon is not a rocket launcher. While there, be sure to check out the duty free, but excuse the lack of goods for sale, it was apparently looted by the invading US troops.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Baghdad Intl will become the FRA of the Middle East. Now that the US is in....they ain't leaving. The Airport will mirror FRA -- a USAF military air force base on one-side and commercial ops on the other. Iraqi will be resurrected and plenty of assistance from either the US gov't or them prodding AA or someone to lend a fleet assist. The future Iraqi fleet is currently in a US desrt somewhere. Once it takes form it'll become the one largest airlines from the region. 777s (off the line or ex-UAs from someone), 744s,76s and 737s sorry..but their will be no buses in the carriers future! Within 5-10 years they'll become the region's economic powerhouse. JFK,DTW and IAD should be 1st up for intercontinental svcs.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlinePiedmontGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

I think that before too long Baghdad International will be a very busy airport. There are airplanes parked in the the desert with a lot of life left in them that could be the basis for a fleet.



User currently offlineAirbrasil From Brazil, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Iraqi Airwyas used to fly to Rio de Janeiro GIG on Sunday from baghdad-lisbon-Rio.. I remember seen the 707 and some times 747-200 in Rio all day, as the acft arrived in the morning and would leave at night.. DanielIraqi Airwyas used to fly to Rio de Janeiro GIG on Sunday from baghdad-lisbon-Rio.. I remember seen the 707 and some times 747-200 in Rio all day, as the acft arrived in the morning and would leave at night.. Daniel


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Photo © Daniel R Carneiro





User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

As trivial as it sounds, the paint job on the 747 of the above photo is absolutely fantastic. Nice waves on the fuselage, nice colour that stands out but being nonetheless serious at the same time. Très "Jet-Set". Seems like this operation was once, not so long ago a proud outfit. True shame for Iraquis that had commerce and good lives going before sanctions and the war with Iran ruined almost everything. Not to mention the total brain drain of the closing of a once well respected university in Baghdad.

Shame... hope it all changes soon!


User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 785 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

Did Pan Am ever fly to Baghdad? Or TWA? If so, then perhaps DL or AA respectively would be natural segues into returning US aircraft to Baghdad. Perhaps DL from CDG and AA from LHR???

As far as Iraqi Airways is concerned...I wouldn't expect it to be a powerhouse...just your typical gulf carrier. And if the US taxpayer has to foot the bill to repair Iraqi Airways, I'll be thoroughly disgusted...especially when UA and other domestic carriers are retiring a/c and employees.

Just my two cents  Wink/being sarcastic



You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Here's three Iraqi Airways 727-200s at Amman, these plus the five at Baghdad International all look to be in relatively good condition and can be returned to service.


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Photo © Hans Kruger



Eight 727-200s is a good start, that would allow flights to Amman, Cairo, Doha, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Riyadh, Jeddah, Kuwait City, Beirut, Istanbul, Athens etc..



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4602 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Air Transport Int'l (part of BAX Global) received approval a few months ago to fly to Baghdad 3 times per week from the States. The flights will leave from TOL and make a fuel stop in AMS. No idea on the start up date.

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

LTU did operate Dusseldorf-Kabul for sometime before quitting due to security concerns.

IA would also serve destinations in Pakistan and India, as they used to in the past.



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25 Jeffrey1970 : StefanDotDe, I just try and spread some joy to people. God bless through Jesus, Jeff
26 Airworthy : I read on the CPA website that Iraqi Airways should be up and running shortly. They are setting up the ILS systems now, and they will receive weather
27 Paddy : BN747: Baghdad Intl will become the FRA of the Middle East. Now that the US is in....they ain't leaving. The Airport will mirror FRA -- a USAF militar
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