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BA Longhaul Changes - Summer '04  
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2296 posts, RR: 3
Posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

BA is continuing to trim its long services for 2004, while increasing frequencies to popular destinations. Looks like the slots at LHR acquired from UA are not being used to transfer more flights from LGW either.

Nairobi - 747 departure now in the morning from LHR with only a couple of hours stopover at Nairobi. Additional three weekly flights to be operated by a 767 (Evening departure from LHR).

Seychelles - drops to once weekly in April (still via Nairobi, but with 767) and ends completely in June. BA looking at franchise carrier Regional Air to operate Nairobi-Seychelles route (To be confirmed January).

Lilongwe - weekly service via Nairobi ends April.

Cape Town - returns to daily (From ten per week) for Summer season.

Riyadh - additional weekly flight (Four per week).

Hong Kong - additional three flights per week (Total of 17 weekly flights).

Beijing - increases from three to five per week.

Los Angeles - additional three flights per week (Total of 17 weekly flights).

Mexico City - additional weekly flight (Four per week).

Looks like BA aiming to increase longhaul fleet use as these changes being achieved with no additional aircraft (Though two 767s being reactivated after couple of months storage at LHR). At least no extra services to JFK this year!

Let's Go British Caledonian!
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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 5355 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

South African cities will see seasonal increase again in WINTER 04 as that is when the Europeans-Americans and the English flock to SA due to the lovely weather at that time of the year in SA.

Good to see LA getting the additional flights...is it B 744s or B 772s?

Hong Kong...3 extra weekly flights B 772ER or B 744???

Beijing desperately needed those increased frequencies because of the domination that AIR FRANCE enjoys in China and second is LUFTHANSA. I hope B 744s get the 2 extra flights!!!

Smart move made for MEXICO CITY TOO...hope it is year around as there will be a lot of travellers between Nov and March to MEX from UK.

As for SEYCHELLES, it should be flown to on a seasonal basis during the winter timetable season only (Oct 26-Mar 26) as there is demand for the island in winter only and not during the summer.

Good to see NBO-Nairobi getting those extra flights, however BAs B 763ERs have an inferior inflight product compared to its B 772ERs so with KLM flying B 772s to NBO and KENYA flying its modern B 763ERs with sleeper seats and PTV in every seat, BA should rethink the choice of plane flying the route. There is enough demand to warrant the change from a B 763 to a B 772 for BA.

It seems like nothing is mentioned on INDIA which means that the talks between BAA and the Indian Authorities-Air India werent all that good!!!

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

One more question for you and are you sure about with those passengers was always full on their way to JFK & LAX, too. So tell me about how is the load factors was doing to HKG? It is seems nothing can do it with the BA.

User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2296 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Just to clarify: -

Additional frequencies to Hong Kong, Los Angeles and Mexico City are 747-436.

Additional frequencies to Beijing and Riyadh are 777-236.

Daily am departure to Nairobi is a 747-436 with the three additional pm departures a 767-336ER.

Also, Luanda changes from a 777-236 to a 767-336ER for the weekly flight.

Bermuda increases from three to five services per week (All ex-LGW with 777-236)

Behramjee - Indian flights stay as daily to Delhi and Mumbai, three per week to Calcutta (Just increased from two again this month) and Chennai two per week.

Behramjee - would expect Cape Town frequencies to increase for Winter '04/'05 as you say for seasonal demand.

On that note Barbados drops to daily (From ten per week ex-LGW and one ex-LHR) for Summer '04 while Antigua drops to five per week (From ten). Tobago and Grenada both lose one weekly flight via Antigua also. Again, would expect all these to return in Winter '04/'05 schedules.

To sidetrack, be interesting to see what BA/QF have planned for the kangaroo route in Winter '04/'05 with Virgin launching services via Hong Kong. I know it's a longer flight (via HKG) but wonder if BA/QF will increase frequencies via Singapore or Bangkok?

Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2296 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4065 times:

A change I missed (That spotted elsewhere) is that Phoenix will be served by a 747-436 for the summer season in place of the 777-236.

Also, not sure if additional LAX services are related to absence of San Diego service - when BA went direct to SAN (instead of via PHX) a couple of years ago it dropped its third daily LAX service.

Incidentially, does anyone know how things stand regarding UK carriers serving US gateways? In the last year BA has dropped both Charlotte and San Diego with no new routes launched. I know things remain tight but when BA dropped Pittsburgh, Virgin used it as the chance to launch its Las Vegas service (Having lost out initially when BA won the right to serve Denver). Does BA retain the right to serve those two gateways, can it apply to change them if it wished (New Orleans? San Jose?), and can Virgin, if it wished challenge to serve new gateways? As I said, while finances are tight, I'm surprised Virgin are letting BA keep these gateways - Fort Lauderdale would fit in with Virgin's big presence in Florida, or even a weekly service to Reno to compliment its Las Vegas service.

Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineEK345 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3937 times:

I thought the San Diego drop was simply a seasonal thing. I would expect BA to relaunch LHR-SAN come the spring. Anyone with more info feel free to confirm or correct me.


"and miles to go before I sleep..."
User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3639 times:



User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

Hey, you should be happy that your airport gets any pax 744s at all. Mine doesn't.

User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2296 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

San Diego not a seasonal drop I'm afraid. Whether it makes a come back in Summer '05 is a different matter, but as yet nothing planned.

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