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MEA Will Announce Three New Routes  
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

MEA will announce three new routes:

BEY-Khartoum-Libreville (1 weekly)
BEY-Cotouno-Conackry (1 weekly)
BEY-GRU (2 weekly)


No timelines have been set yet, but the Lebanese government is so concerned about the safety of Lebanese living abroad especially after the tragedy of the UTA flight last week and it decided to swallow any losses on the West African flights for three years.


Wonderful to hear that some governments are willing to do whatever it takes to secure the safety of their citizens

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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3999 times:

indeed it is. Are we still assuming that BEY-GRU is via dakar? Of course anyone would rather fly MEA than the UTA of late, at least I suppose so. ALthough i didn't think that there was a market for flights into sudan. We'll see I guess.

They will definitely need more aircraft for these plans. Hope to hear about them soon.

Thanks for the update Yegbey.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

MEA only has 3 A330s - and the COOCKY and GRU flights will have to use A330s rather than the A321s.

Are they pulling the A330s out of LHR to put on these routes? I think COOCKY is good - ESPECIALLY if they can get 6th-freedom COOCKY, but GRU? These far-flung destinations almost put them in a hole once.

The previous GRU flights operated BEY-ABJ-GRU and they did tremendous 6th freedom business as there is no West Africa - South America link, but they are going to have a challenge filling the flights if two weekly operate nonstop or even Dakar.


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

I was just just told that it these new destinations have already been officially anounced. Is it true? Is it also true that BEY-GRU will be non-stop? If so, they will definitely need something in the A340 class.



User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

but they are going to have a challenge filling the flights if two weekly operate nonstop or even Dakar

They will have zero trouble filling the flights. They might have trouble producing good yield, but none filling them.



a.
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Well that goes without saying. If they sold the tickets for $1 each way they would fill them, but they will have trouble making a profit on the route. It will probably be a strictly O&D market, I don't know how they can do it.

I'm also interested in how this was announced. If Yegbey has a secret source, that's cool, but if it was announced I'd be interested in seeing where it was announced.

AF022


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

It will probably be a strictly O&D market, I don't know how they can do it.

Brazil's Lebanesse community is one of the largest in the world. Up there with Montreal and Paris. Sao Paulo is the largest concentration. AFAIK, there are moe Lebanese in Brazil than all of Lebanon (that is the case with more than just Brazil, too).



a.
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

Tickets to/from West Africa-BEY sell for at least $1000 US. So bottom line is, not too cheap for a 6 or a 7 hour flight.


By the way, MEA will be making huge changes to their schedules this spring/summer. More flights to DXB (will be 2x daily) and the departure times are entirely different.

Also, their flights to ATH will leave in the evening rather than the morning. Their flights to West Africa will all leave in th afternoon rather than 2 in the morning.

So I am sure we will hear more in the very near future.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

As far as I know they have trouble with the ethnic markets - Australia, Montreal - because [a] these passengers are looking for super-cheapo fares and [b] it is highly seasonal. Even AC wouldn't dream of serving BEY-YMQ in the off-season.

Ripping apart a schedule is very dangerous. I hope they know what they are doing.


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

There isn't a lot of traffic from Cotonou (COO) and we all know that this one's related to the recent tragic crash there. Wouldn't it be wise to get a smaller jet to operate on that route, like A319?
Or if they need the range, the A330 is too big, will they go back and lease an A310? Emirates still uses one for similar reasons.

Best regards.


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

I'M SO HAPPY IF MEA FLIES TO LIBREVILLE (LBV) GABON !!!!
We want to see their A330 at Léon M'ba Airport.

REgards.

GN.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

I am dissappointed with the announcement to Cotonou and Conakry as I don't believe there is sufficient demand for these routes. They would definately have to be very highly subsidized by the government. Where is this money coming from? The country is in debt.

Why do the Lebanese people demand that their be direct flights to these routes? Let them connect via CDG on Air France. What's the big deal? I'm really disappointed. These routes are at most only seasonal.

Abidjan, Kano, Accra, and Lagos make sense. Cotonou and Conakry do not...

The Lebanese govt. shouldn't have allowed the UTA flights in the first place and made Lebanese connect in CDG. It's really that simple.

I live in DEN. Should I go ask MEA to start a non-stop BEY-DEN flight for me because I fly between the two regularly? No, I connect through LHR and I have no problem doing so.

Good to hear about Khartoum. This route is needed. Not really sure about Libreville though.....

Interesting about GRU, we'll have to hear more.

AF002,

Actually, AC was thinking about extending BEY-YUL to year-round because their was demand well after. Also yields on the route were higher than expected so they upgraded the flight to an international configured 767 rather than a domestic configured one.

Also keep in mind that GRU and SYD failed in the 90's. The current MEA is not the same as the MEA of the 90's......

The MEA in the 90's was an extremely inefficient, poorly run airline with an aging fleet losing millions each year. MEA is now an extremely efficient airline, with a very low cost structure, with an efficient modern new fleet turning a profit.

MEA has a much much much much better chance at succeeding in such routes. Not to mention that the market to Lebanon has grown greatly since the 90's....

If MEA is launching all 3 of these routes, there is no question about it. They are getting more planes.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

It will be very nice to see MEA return to South America. In addition Varig is rumored to be very close to announcing new services to either Mozambique, Angola, or South Africa!


LHR001


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

Yegbey01,

Could you post the source of this? I'd like to read more

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

I agree with you, Abidjan, Kano, Accra, and Lagos make sense. I stayed 4 months in Abidjan for my job, and MEA flights were always full.
(Egyptair is also flying Abidjan-Lagos-Cairo with A300, I don't know if the route is profitable for MS ??)

"Not really sure about Libreville though"
An important Lebanese community is living in Gabon. The ideal would be an A321 flying BEY-Khartoum-LBV.

And MEA must fly to DKR (Dakar), one of the largest Lebanese community in West Africa after Ivory Coast.



User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6225 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

If they do start a flight to GRU- it would be great to once again see MEA in The Americas.
Chepos



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User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

I haven't heard any official announcement of the above mentioned routes(Africa).However,the goverment has asked MEA to operate flights to more locations in Africa to ensure the safety of the Lebanese abroad.
I believe that it's too early to determine whether these routes will be served or not,it's just the impact of last week's crash;MEA should consider the costs of these routes & benefits...

MEA310



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

As long as MEA is owned by the government, decisions made on new destinations are determined by the whims of the Lebanese government. If the government says fly to COO, it will fly to COO. This airline needs to be privatized.

User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

BA,

This was posted on www.almustaqbal.com (in Arabic) on Monday. The article states that the government has asked MEA to open these routes. MEA has in principle agreed since all losses would be absorbed for three years by the government.

Also, the article mentioned that MEA had been seriously considering expanding into West Africa and Brazil, but the tragic accident accelerated that decision.

T o tell you the truth, I think that these passengers like you mentioned have a good connection through CDG, but then again maybe they should give it a try.


User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3183 times:
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Why not run a smaller plane but make a stop in Kano or Khartoum on way to Cotonou and Conakry?

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

need ETOPS to get to Kano

User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

They do the BEY-Khartoum-Libreville on an A321 easily

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

a big thanks to those that can translate MEA info into english. really appreciate the information.



User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

As long as MEA is owned by the government, decisions made on new destinations are determined by the whims of the Lebanese government. If the government says fly to COO, it will fly to COO. This airline needs to be privatized.

The govt. has been trying to privatize MEA for the past 3 years but due to the poor market, they're having trouble.

They have had absolutely no influence on MEA's decisions until this accident when they asked MEA to open up these new African routes.

My question is will MEA get new planes and from where and when?

I still am against the Cotonou/Conakry route as I believe it will be an absolute money loser. The govt. is crazy to absorb all the losses when the country is already $40 billion in debt!

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

I am pretty sure that MEA started flying to ACC because GH had applied to Lebanon to serve, and Lebanese government insisted that MEA fly to ACC as a tit-for-tat exercise. Even if it is a money-maker now (most likely because of stronger KAN traffic), I don't think MEA intended to fly to ACC

25 BA : AF022, There was an article about Ghana in one of MEA's previous CedarWings issue and they talk about the very large Lebanese community. Actually ACC
26 AF022 : Not knowing anything about Dakar's Lebanese population, AF certainly has a strong lock on this market. Although clearly nonstop DKRBEY flights will ta
27 Marcopolo747 : A BIG, WARM WELCOME BACK FOR MEA !! Ahlan Wa Sahlan ! As pointed out, there is a huge Lebanese community in Brazil and the route will be a moneymaker
28 Yegbey01 : The only thing thing missing in the puzzle right now is: Will MEA acquire more aircraft? They will need to do so if they are interested in opening the
29 OD720 : The way I see it, expansion in inevitable. They will bring in more aircraft and expand the network. Maybe MXP and/or FCO will be dropped if they ever
30 AF022 : from my time on this site there seems to be a number of MEA fans! FYI, in comparing Jan04 skeds v Jan03 skeds... Destinations from BEY for all carrier
31 Yegbey01 : The Bratislava service is only seasonal. It will return this spring. So are the WAW and VIE service which will also come back during the spring. Keep
32 AF022 : YEGBEY this is comparing JAN04 to JAN03 to eliminate any seasonal variations. Bratislava was served in Jan03 af022
33 AirxLiban : My feeling is as follows: 1) I am excited to see MEA expanding 2) I look forward to hearing definite plans 3) I am somewhat skepitcal of some of these
34 AF022 : HEAR HEAR! couldn't have said it better myself!
35 Post contains images BA : AF002, Which carriers served BTS and LBV in Jan 03? WAW service on LOT was a temporary suspension because they originally had plans to increase the BE
36 Donder10 : GH flew to BEY for a while but stopped it due to overall financial issues. They are supposed to return however, but I don't know when. I wouldn't coun
37 BA : Also,could BEY sustain 2 airlines flying the route? In the summer, yes. Not sure about year-round though...All I know is MEA's West African routes are
38 AF022 : now that i'm reviewing JAN03 skeds, it appears that BTS wasn't there (my bad!) but GN operated weekly BEYLBV nonstops on Saturdays. RK flew ABJBEY aga
39 BA : Where did you find these schedules AF022.... Regards
40 AF022 : sugar, we all have our secrets, no? I can't divulge everything about myself! suffice to say I have a lot of airline information stored on my little co
41 GoMEA : Hello all, great to hear that MEA is opening these new routes (if they are confirmed for real) I am however somewhat surprised by the Khartoum-Librevi
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